Silly.Mikey
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Sony is barely outselling them, and that with a complete failure in Japan on MSs part. I wouldnt exactly call that a ragging success.
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CVG: Microsoft's next-Xbox silence at GDC a "disastrous mistake"
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Sony is barely outselling them, and that with a complete failure in Japan on MSs part. I wouldnt exactly call that a ragging success.
iceatcs
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Impeccable
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this is weird though because it is GDC... pretty strange decisions.
mentalfloss
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MS has been getting the shit end of the stick from all these preemptive attacks. Really makes one wonder how many rabid fanboys want to see them fail.
your forgetting two things
1 year head start .
2now i might be wrong about this but more Xboxs where sold because of the RROD disaster.
it would've been interesting to see the comparison if both of the above didn't occur.
yep... Sony copying Microsoft with PS Eye confirmed.
Calm down dude, you will self combust
.They've been wanting them to fail since the original Xbox.
Get this gen over with? They have the best selling console and are making a nice profit in each one sold. Sony wants the PS3 to sell as long as possible while they have to maybe swallow some losses with PS4.
There's no logic to you saying that ms wants to prolong the 720 reveal due to success and somehow claim the opposite for Sony when they're selling better.
Deus Ex Machina
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MS does not give shit about what Sony did, what other people think they should do as far as revealing etc... they have their own way they want to do this and they will.
The rumors of Xbox's death based on sony throwing some numbers around are not only pre-mature but LOL-worthy and ridiculous.
The rumors of Xbox's death based on sony throwing some numbers around are not only pre-mature but LOL-worthy and ridiculous.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Rabid fanboys? Maybe there are just quite a few people who aren't happy with the approach to consoles which Microsoft seems to have lately, which doesn't seem to be focused very strong on core games. I guess there would be a lot less negativity if Microsoft would adress this adequately. I think people want such a strategy to fail, not the company.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
What if the 720 ran a stripped-down version of Windows 8 (or Blue) with similar APIs and such, and the games were essentially PC games? Could that automatically put Microsoft in the position to win?
Gemüsepizza;51482073 said:
ok there's 22% of them.
they are already in the position to win... people saying otherwise are deluded.
phosphor112
Banned
What does a public reveal have to do with developers? Sure, the PS4's reveal did cater to developers a lot, but the thing is, they have GDC (cough...Game Developers Conference) to talk about the nitty gritty of the development process on the PS4.
This is essential, and considering MS has 100% scrapped XNA tools, they need to inform the developers of what they will need to work with for the Durango.
AZ Greg
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Sure, but his post read as if he'd forgo learning anything else about the console sooner if it meant getting to see the physical box at a 1st reveal later. More power to him if he thinks there is some benefit in that.
Unity2012
Member
One thing I dont get, and I know I will be under FIRE for saying it, is that Sony did NOT show a console... only specs and developer trailers. Yes, they did come ahead of MS to say "We are working in a new console!" but we still don't know what that console looks like or what it will finally do when it releases. History has shown that things change quickly in this business.
The other thing is, MS never promised to reveal anything at any specific time. As far as I remember, they were speculations that they would at E3 or around that time not before.
And I dont understand the excesive hatred towards MS... seriously. I've had a lot of fun with the X360; developers benefited greatly for the last generation from MS choices to develop games and 90% of my friends are still on XBL Gold.
I do own a PS3 BTW and yes I enjoy playing it as much as my X360. The WiiU is the only console I dont own and have no plans yet to buy... but I am looking forward to hear what MS has to say about their next console.
The other thing is, MS never promised to reveal anything at any specific time. As far as I remember, they were speculations that they would at E3 or around that time not before.
And I dont understand the excesive hatred towards MS... seriously. I've had a lot of fun with the X360; developers benefited greatly for the last generation from MS choices to develop games and 90% of my friends are still on XBL Gold.
I do own a PS3 BTW and yes I enjoy playing it as much as my X360. The WiiU is the only console I dont own and have no plans yet to buy... but I am looking forward to hear what MS has to say about their next console.
Baconsammy
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For the life of the console, you're absolutely correct. The PS3 has been an utter failure financially, but now they're finally not losing money, which itself is a minor victory.
cpp_is_king
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A lot of people here are missing the point. This has nothing to do with showing the console to the public, it has to do with showing the console to developers.
From the point of view of everyone here, this is the same as thinking about what would happen if MS didn't show off the console at E3. It would completely unthinkable right? And I think we can all agree that if they planned to launch a console in 2013 but didn't show the console at 2013 E3 it would be completely ridiculous and asinine.
This is the same thing, only worse, because developers are arguably more important. GDC is E3 for developers. This is the event where they should be hyping developers on the virtues of the console. But they're doing nothing. The reason Xbox arguably won this generation is because Microsoft had better developer support, and all signs currently point to the opposite scenario for next-gen.
I don't really know what they're thinking right now. It sounds to me like they're having some technical problems and maybe behind schedule and that it just isn't ready yet for some reason. There's no other explanation IMO, and if it's true, it puts Sony at a major advantage.
I think they are very uncomfortable with the fact that they have to keep refusing to talk about anything. Like the interview with Pete Isensee the other day where he literally had to keep shifting the topic away from Durango. They are doing this for a reason, and it sure as fuck can't see how it would be a strategic one, unless they are just downsizing their investment in the hardcore sector and are going to be focusing more on mobile / social / casual / living room entertainment
From the point of view of everyone here, this is the same as thinking about what would happen if MS didn't show off the console at E3. It would completely unthinkable right? And I think we can all agree that if they planned to launch a console in 2013 but didn't show the console at 2013 E3 it would be completely ridiculous and asinine.
This is the same thing, only worse, because developers are arguably more important. GDC is E3 for developers. This is the event where they should be hyping developers on the virtues of the console. But they're doing nothing. The reason Xbox arguably won this generation is because Microsoft had better developer support, and all signs currently point to the opposite scenario for next-gen.
I don't really know what they're thinking right now. It sounds to me like they're having some technical problems and maybe behind schedule and that it just isn't ready yet for some reason. There's no other explanation IMO, and if it's true, it puts Sony at a major advantage.
I think they are very uncomfortable with the fact that they have to keep refusing to talk about anything. Like the interview with Pete Isensee the other day where he literally had to keep shifting the topic away from Durango. They are doing this for a reason, and it sure as fuck can't see how it would be a strategic one, unless they are just downsizing their investment in the hardcore sector and are going to be focusing more on mobile / social / casual / living room entertainment
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
They've already shown it to developers. There have been private meetings for the last year.
If you don't think they have been in constant contact with developers who will be releasing games inside the launch window and inviting developers outside of that window to private events over the last year, you're crazy. Just because they aren't attending a conference publicly doesn't mean they're not well into talks with most developers.
CVG, good on you. Spin the shit out of something in an opinion article because your advertisers really like those clicks.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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You forgot 3. There were 100+ million ps2 fans when the ps3 launched. Only 25 million Xbox fans when the 360 launched...
Wait....
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kittens
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Nintendo is doomed.
Oh wait, I mean Microsoft.
Oh wait, I mean Microsoft.
cpp_is_king
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Which developers? Maybe a handful of the top ones. They should be showing it to all developers, including indie ones.
Bottom line, it's completely unarguable that Sony is off to a massive headstart in terms of winning over the hearts of developers this gen, and saying that is significant is an understatement.
Japan is in its own little bubble, in terms of western society the 360 is ahead and has the greater mindshare (Overall and I'm talking more than US + UK)
Don't bring up the RROD thing, it's BS, the amount of SW sold is testament to that.
AdventureRacing
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Yes you are wrong about point 2, it has been debunked a thousand times before. I would imagine that being the follow up to the most successful console of all time compared to the follow up to the original xbox slightly made up for that 1 year head start.
Uno Venova
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how do you know everyone who bought it was a fan tho
Four_Chamber
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Well put. I think people are overstating GDC's importance. It's not even close in impact to E3. This assumption that no developers know about Microsoft's next platform is crazy. This is the same Microsoft that has been tied at the hip with Activision, EA, et al. You guys really think Peter Moore doesn't know what's going on in Redmond?
iceatcs
Junior Member
Independent developers, some independent studios and I'm quite positive, some developers work for major publishers don't know too.
BRocknRolla
Member
As disappointed as I've been with MS' Xbox development and support over the last few years, I just cannot believe their public facing approach to developers right now. It makes me think there has to be something more to it.
The way I see it, or the only way that really makes sense to me, is that there are two plans of attack for MS:
1.) MS is developing a tremendously large PR campaign; full shock-and-awe. Part-and-parcel to this plan is a very specific window for when they will be beginning it. It simply isn't now. They've been making the back room deals with developers, and they know the important members are onboard. MS has a plan, and they're not releasing information until that plan is ready to come into full, mind-blowing effect, and will thusly wipe out the buzz Sony has built.
2.) MS is developing a tremendously large PR campaign; raging and turgid. MS is confident the masses will flock to the next Xbox regardless of what they do, Kinect and all. Maybe too confident. They've made deals with content delivery partners like Comcast and Time Warner, but they believe developers will flock to them on their own. Really no need to spend time courting developers when you're the golden goose, right? MS doesn't feel pressure to release any information to counter Sony buzz because they don't think Sony is a serious threat. Gamers are going to buy it because honestly, what else would they do?
Either way, I'm thinking MS has a lot of money tied up in future marketing. A LOT OF MONEY. That will be their big tactic. But as for the part that I actually care about, which is getting good good games to the platform, I'm not sure which approach they're taking. Maybe they've made all the right deals and everyone is just being mum about it. Then again, maybe they just assume that their market leader position in the US will easily translate into the next system and the games will flow. Time will tell if MS has been about quiet and smart movement or unbridled arrogance.
The way I see it, or the only way that really makes sense to me, is that there are two plans of attack for MS:
1.) MS is developing a tremendously large PR campaign; full shock-and-awe. Part-and-parcel to this plan is a very specific window for when they will be beginning it. It simply isn't now. They've been making the back room deals with developers, and they know the important members are onboard. MS has a plan, and they're not releasing information until that plan is ready to come into full, mind-blowing effect, and will thusly wipe out the buzz Sony has built.
2.) MS is developing a tremendously large PR campaign; raging and turgid. MS is confident the masses will flock to the next Xbox regardless of what they do, Kinect and all. Maybe too confident. They've made deals with content delivery partners like Comcast and Time Warner, but they believe developers will flock to them on their own. Really no need to spend time courting developers when you're the golden goose, right? MS doesn't feel pressure to release any information to counter Sony buzz because they don't think Sony is a serious threat. Gamers are going to buy it because honestly, what else would they do?
Either way, I'm thinking MS has a lot of money tied up in future marketing. A LOT OF MONEY. That will be their big tactic. But as for the part that I actually care about, which is getting good good games to the platform, I'm not sure which approach they're taking. Maybe they've made all the right deals and everyone is just being mum about it. Then again, maybe they just assume that their market leader position in the US will easily translate into the next system and the games will flow. Time will tell if MS has been about quiet and smart movement or unbridled arrogance.
That's right. To hell with Crom!
Whichever company pushes motion gaming like it's their go-to input, I hope they crash and burn.
cpp_is_king
Member
I'm actually not buying an Xbox on the sole grounds that it ships with Kinect, and requires it to be plugged in for the console to work.
Deal-breaker right there just on principle, don't give a shit what games or exclusives it has.
soulassssns
Banned
If they show anything it will be at E3, but that is just my guess.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
as jobs said, "people dont know what they want, you have to show them" or something like that.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I think very late April they will announce an event for mid-late May which will be broadcast on a high profile network like MTV (like 360 was) then roll into E3 with detailed game announcements and system capabilities/services. Maybe price and release confirmation too.
I swear though I will be tempted to switch off if they spend 20 minutes talking about apps and another 20 minutes of arm waving and impressions of a Kangeroo with diarrhoea
I swear though I will be tempted to switch off if they spend 20 minutes talking about apps and another 20 minutes of arm waving and impressions of a Kangeroo with diarrhoea
Apple specializes in selling people things they don't know they want yet. There's a huge distinction between those and things people already know they don't want.
Flatline
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Commanche Raisin Toast
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My only thoughts are that the longer they wait the less time they have to get the news to penetrate and spread through the markets they want it to, but by no means is this a massive slip up.
But just because MS is doing it this way and some people are okay with it doesn't mean Sony's approach was bad or anything. They both have different goals and things that need to be addressed as they announce and reveal their next generation stuff. Sony is recovering from a painful gen where they fell from grace basically. MS needs to just maintain momentum.
But just because MS is doing it this way and some people are okay with it doesn't mean Sony's approach was bad or anything. They both have different goals and things that need to be addressed as they announce and reveal their next generation stuff. Sony is recovering from a painful gen where they fell from grace basically. MS needs to just maintain momentum.
yes... all of us...every gamer In the world has rejected what MS has planned for 720 and Kinect 2.
We just KNOW it sucks
such a joke that people are trying to make it a negative and in 5 years we can look back and laugh at this nonsense.
BRocknRolla
Member
True in a sense, but jamming a solution down consumers' throats doesn't always make it the best solution. It can sometimes even be damaging. I think this article has some very interesting points about motion control UI and how it's actually holding us back from better solutions. Sparked a huge conversation on Reddit and other tech sites.
How 'Minority Report' Trapped us in a World of Bad Interfaces
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
because they chose the ps2 with their wallet? That's huge.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Haha true, but there is more more PS4's preordered then 720's
And until MS announces the 720 every nextgen game is a PS4
Game, but I sure they'll sort it out
I'm more worried about launch games considering some devs haven't even got dev kits
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Here in the UK you can register your interest and put down £20 for it.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Don't know about the US I'm from the UK
Shopto,Game, Zavvi have preorders up
I have a PS4 and 4 games pre-ordered thank you very much
Flatline
Banned
No more strawman arguments please, it's not all of us but most, that's the point of that IGN poll in the first place.