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CVG: Microsoft's next-Xbox silence at GDC a "disastrous mistake"
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I know.I'll be there whenever they do.
They started taking pre-orders a couple of months before release
Baconsammy
Banned
I know.
Amazon all the way. Amazon US loves Sony and Microsoft now. Most likely to spite Nintendo, who they're apparently waging a silent war with. Try to buy a 3DS and the site recommends you buy a Vita instead. Pretty funny.
shinra-bansho
Member
Crytek will be there to show whatever Ryse has become.
Epic may be there if Microsoft have secured their services again.
Of course, I don't know if one can really consider these efforts to be third party when they're bankrolled by the platform holders. (Same thing goes for Quantic Dream, for example, their games are essentially first party.)
Anyone still clinging to pipedreams of major third party exclusives is going to be disappointed though I imagine.
Really, people still believe this? Games won't be a differentiator between the two?
This from PS3 which has been service-deficient to Live in every aspect not only competing, but outselling the X360 for much of the last 4 years? This from X360/Kinect which transformed gaming on MS' platform to such an extent that they are making it compulsory in their next system and focussing huge resources into trying to make it the default control mechanism?
MS and Sony have taken different approaches to next gen and this will play out over the coming months. Whichever focus you agree with is different for each person, but once you see the year unfold, at least one (if not both) of these console manufacturers will have large games differentiation, enough to drive early adoption of their console.
I love Amazon too but the reason why I'll choose GameStop is because I could slowly pay it off from the time I pre-order until the day of release.
Ether_Snake
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Could it be that the next Xbox will be for 2014?
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Unless they've had some sort of catastrophic yield problems, I'd venture to say no.
They are likely pushing for a very aggressive 2013 launch.
Baconsammy
Banned
Exactly, they won't. NPDs and PAL charts will be nearly identical.
1- FIFA Xbox
2- FIFA PS4
3- Halo 88
4- Killzone 75
5- Call of Duty: Goin Back 4 Booty XBOX
6 - Call of Duty: Still hittin dat Booty PS4
7 - Just (Pants off) Dance(off) Wii
8 - Gran Turismo
9 - Forza
10- Pokemon Puce/Lavender 3DS
Just like this gen. An exclusive here and there that's different will chart occasionally, and the rest will be identical. I've seen absolutely nothing to hint that it will change.
With Amazon you can pay it off in your own bank account instead of letting Gamestop earn interest on it. No tax still in some places as well. Hopefully none of them play the forced-bundle game.
YuriLowell
Member
You could just put that money in the bank and not give gamestop an interest free loan.
Leaving BF4, CoD, AC4, and Watch_Dogs only on PS4 for next gen version this fall would be terrible for Microsoft. No way they miss this fall.
Can Crusher
Banned
You see what you want to see. One could easily see that Sony went from 150 million to 70 and MS went from 24 million to 70.
I hardly see how you can look at the 360 numbers negatively....
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I'm 17 and don't own a credit card, and I usually get GameStop gift cards as holiday gifts, anyways. I might just get the system for Christmas, and use the money I have towards games and the like. Preordering would just really secure one for me.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I think his point was that with all the disasters PS3 had early on (and to some extent, still has), PS3 still managed to sell better on a yearly basis (on average).
The only real reason for that is differentiation through games (and Blu-Ray as well), otherwise sales would have been much worse.
Games are a big deal.
Gemüsepizza
Member
This gen both systems had nearly the same graphics. It does not seem like this will be the case for next gen, so why do you assume the sale figures will be the same?
oh hell no...MS is not scared of the Sony numbers and they were ready to not have as powerful numbers.
they have their strategy and they will execute it, which includes not revealing as early as Sony did
Gemüsepizza;51508833 said:
it's going to be a lot closer than people are trying to suggest
Can Crusher
Banned
Actually I would say the differentiation was due to brand power, blu ray, and pay wall on online.
In terms of game weight, it evens out. Ps3 actually has a worse attach ratio does it not? And Sony doesn't seem to have bigger hits than MS.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Yeah, services won't matter. Especially since Sony has Playstation Plus under the belt and a better understanding of how online gaming works. The fact that they're opening up the independent developer floodgates show exactly how much they've learned.
Noone is looking at the XBox numbers negatively. In fact, they are the success story of this gen out of all three.
But games initially drove the platforms, games differentiated all consoles during the middle years and games will be the primary differentiator this coming gen. It will be what types of games, and what method of interaction that will drive how well the console sells.
Baconsammy
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Gemüsepizza;51508833 said:
You've seen next gen graphics for both consoles? I don't assume sales figures will be anything other than very similar to what they are now. The same games will sell similarly on both consoles, with the occasional exclusive mixed in. Charts will probably see a significant change if digital purchases really take off, and that will depend upon one or both of the console holders incentivizing digital purchases really well.
Sony had an entire region that Microsoft basically couldnt sell in. Games are a big deal, indeed, but they didn't differ much between the two HD consoles other than the fact that Microsoft had fewer but better selling exclusives.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
How much of that is games, and how much of it is that the Japanese only buy Japanese systems.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Neither. Japan has had a small part in consoles sold compared to what Europe chipped in. That is especially true with software.
Uno Venova
Banned
what's your take?
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
How can it be neither if when you take away the Japanese sales the PS3 is not outselling the 360?
Can Crusher
Banned
But in all honesty, these systems have pretty much the same games. The hardcores that will buy a system because of an exclusive or two are slim, real slim. These days the big heavy hitters are all multiplatform. Sure about 5 million people will buy Xbox specifically to play Halo, or Playstation to play Gran Turismo but then what?
The other 60 million people who buy these systems will buy based on media exposure, word of mouth, price, if their friends play fifa or madden on it etc. Services can be part of it too.
Market predictions are really hard to do, I definitely think hardcore gamers will flock to the PS4 based on early reactions though. Fine by me, I prefer Sony's vision anyway. But the Wii became the fastest selling console based on a new way of playing games, even if it was filled with shovelware and had a weaker software offering and services offering to the competition.
So we don't know what will click with consumers just yet.
FIFA PS3 handily outsells the Xbox version worldwide.
shinra-bansho
Member
Wading into this ridiculous argument, the 7.5M lead in Japan the PS3 enjoys essentially accounts for the similar lead the 360 enjoyed as a result of releasing a year earlier. Ergo, the PS3 can still be selling the 360 on an annual basis excluding Japan, but still not make up the initial shortfall.
All the while, Japan inexplicably does not "count."
Those games are all on 360 and PS3. They're not what's going to sell next-gen systems beyond a very core dedicated audience.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
lol at those title names
I don't think he implied anything from the rankings outside of what the general top 10 spots look like. My opinion is outside of the sports/racing title, there might be a genre boom somewhere next generation like Military FPS did.
ThisWreckage
Banned
While it's true that Microsoft locked down a lot of Japanese centric software during the first two years of the 360s life in Japan, it's also equally true that those games either eventually wound up on the PS3 or those companies ended up making Japanese centric games specifically for the PS3. Microsoft should probably try getting more of a foothold in Europe rather than frittering away resources in Japan. It's a myth to state that the Japanese refuse to buy American hardware given their infatuation with everything Apple over there. The truth of the matter is that the 360, it's power brick, and it's lack of emphasis on quirky titles did it in over there.
Syphon Filter
Member
i dont know man MS did try lots of quirky titles and it still didnt work.
There is a big chance of having major third party exclusives again.
From Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft.
Nintendo already pulled the unthinkable with Bayonetta 2.
More megatons will probably be at E3.
The problem's "how" more than "what". The N3 budget alone should've and could've paid for basically all of their Japanese exclusives, and that would have left money to keep up a monthly drumbeat of midrange titles rather than trying tentpoles and having everyone sell their 360 during downtime.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I though Nintendo bought Bayonetta alive, Sega gave it up. Not 3rd party anymore?
But yeah, we might see something major 3rd party exclusives. Seems it had more likely happen if its a new IP.
I think nowadays, break the exclusive is more common such as diablio 3, FF13, Etc..
Baconsammy
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You're taking issue with my fake list of mostly fake games?
SenjutsuSage
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I still think they should try to get Japanese content. If not for Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, I may not have purchased a 360.
That aside, I think there's a great lack of appreciation for what these two consoles, with their reported specs, will be capable of in the console space. We can look at benchmarks of GPU that we think are the closest in design or power to what's inside either of these machines and focus specifically on how they perform in the most impressive looking pc titles, but I think we mostly don't have the idea of just what this kind of power is going to mean in the console realm. I expect a lot of very surprised gamers on all sides once games that really make these consoles sing start showing up.
Microsoft's last major hardware announcement, Surface, came a little over four months before the product launch. It seems reasonable to expect a similar announcement-to-launch period for other major Microsoft hardware announcements, and if the April 26th rumors are true, that would put the next-generation Xbox launch in late August/early September.
If you go by Xbox 360's announcement-to-release gap, it'd be six months and late October/early November.
Microsoft isn't losing any mindshare by not having announced yet. The people who care already know Microsoft is going to announce their new console soon, and the people who don't care... don't care, which means they're probably not going to buy a console in its launch window anyway.
If you go by Xbox 360's announcement-to-release gap, it'd be six months and late October/early November.
Microsoft isn't losing any mindshare by not having announced yet. The people who care already know Microsoft is going to announce their new console soon, and the people who don't care... don't care, which means they're probably not going to buy a console in its launch window anyway.
shinra-bansho
Member
As noted in the post you quoted, I don't consider first-party bankrolled titles made by third-party developers to be third-party exclusives.
This holds as much weight as the people in America are prioritising Xbox over Playstation because of said nationalistic/xenophobic sentiments using the sales of games in Live and PSN as comparison. Or other meaningless anecdotal evidences like twitch chat or dedicated NA forum for moba whenever an american team go against one from europe/asia.
Think about it this way. Sony largest market is in Europe, their first party games need to be appeal to the Western society. For example, they made games catered for these markets when you look at the hack-and-slash genre ( God of War ) which has very different focus from what the Japanese generally prefers. PS3 sales are decent in NA but are there a lot of people using it as their main system there? It seems more like a system for exclusives/blu-ray. It's hard to pin-point why they bought one, perhaps Sony perpetual support of their 1st parties appeal to them. Comparatively, Microsoft support for Japan died out.
The Japanese games on 360 which later appeared on PS3 is the definitive version. I think Sony has some policy in place for retail titles, like if it's not an improved version, they won't approved it.
It's definitely a win for Sony, and more time for them in the limelight, but I think the article is exaggerating the importance of it here. If Microsoft is in trouble, it's for lots of other things like mandatory Kinect, possibly always-online console, no used games, less powerful console, and so on. Not because of GDC.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I honestly see no reason for anybody to be mad about Kinect being required for the console to work. It's a required feature of the machine, folks. Will it really kill you to know that its there, even though you may not always be using it?
No one reasonable is mad that there happens to be a Kinect. They're mad that it's at bare minimum $500m over the life of the console going towards "Xbox, launch Netflix" rather than buying ten AAA exclusives, or a $50-$100 price drop a year earlier.
If it's an X360-level success, more like $2bn. Twice what went toward paying for the RROD.
Possible, but I think we would have heard about it--we certainly know about MS's policy of absolute parity or no approval, and no late ports without upgrades.
It's basic common sense for any late port though. Need to give people a reason to buy the new one for $90 rather than the old one for $20, or you're in a situation where people do better buying a 360 to go back and play.
Some people would rather not have something that is always scanning your room and connected to the internet.
And the solution to that, if it really bugs you that much, is a roll of electrical tape from the dollar store to cover the lenses.
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
Silly Microsoft focused on PAX and selling new Gears of War when CVG needs page views and ad revenue.
The only significant press that game companies get is at E3. And the reason is because all 3 major manufacturers make significant announcements at the same time.
The only significant press that game companies get is at E3. And the reason is because all 3 major manufacturers make significant announcements at the same time.
Know how I know you didn't bother reading the OP?
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
If it's going to be required to be plugged in at all times, the next logical step is it requiring being able to see you to log in to the system.