Penguins&PolarBears
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I read it. And I just read it again. What is your point?
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CVG: Microsoft's next-Xbox silence at GDC a "disastrous mistake"
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I read it. And I just read it again. What is your point?
Sorry but I can't agree.
All this "negativity" is currently based on unconfirmed rumours. Even then, they're mostly rumours that most likely won't have genuine impact.
The WiiU negativity was based on KNOWN quantities. World of difference.
Most of this negativity, to speak frankly, is coming from Microsoft haters, or those who were never really planning on buying the new Xbox anyway. I mean, even always online, the vast majority of GAFfers have their main consoles always online, so what will change? Nothing.
The only one I gave in to you on was Kinect. REQUIRING Kinect to be plugged in is a genuine negative for most. Not me personally, but most.
immortal-joe
Member
I need to start stockpiling the "I called it" gifs when Microsoft shows their hand. They won't take risks; they will secure exclusives out the ass.
Mind you, I'm foaming at the mouth at what Sony has shown / promised, but as far as the general gamer / casual / dudebro is concerned, it will still be Microsoft's game to lose (which I feel they won't).
Mind you, I'm foaming at the mouth at what Sony has shown / promised, but as far as the general gamer / casual / dudebro is concerned, it will still be Microsoft's game to lose (which I feel they won't).
Keep going until it sinks in that the problem is with dev access, not media coverage.
The media can already get plenty of hits reporting on all the new next-gen footage shown "For PlayStation 4", they don't really need whitepapers from MS to draw eyes.
BRocknRolla
Member
Well, obviously since you don't take issue with things like always-on, then people who do must be "Microsoft haters." Thanks for at least allowing that people can dislike the always plugged in Kinect without being wholly irrational.
Alternatively, maybe people actually have different values and see a bigger picture problem with some of the potential features the next Xbox is rumored to have. Maybe that doesn't make them "Xbox haters" but rather, conscious consumers. But yeah, you should probably just dismiss those people and their opinions outright.
I call BS on cvg. MS has always been involved with give and take with devs. Just because cvg doesn't see that at GDC does not mean that they are not getting with, sharing with and getting feedback from plenty of devs.
We and even cvg doesn't know shit and this whole piece sounds like a false alarm for hits
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
The problem is with dev access? You mean the developers who have already had Xbox SDKs for over a year now? This is a public event that is of almost no value to a company that hasn't announced or acknowledged their product publicly. I'm sure MS is doing nothing to court developers behind the scenes away from CVG. The next Xbox is going to launch and there just won't be any developer interest or games in the pipeline already.
I'm sure reporting on PS4 RAM is bringing in loads of hits for CVG. It's just so exciting especially the media's inability to even display an image of anything other than a Dual Shock controller that looks a lot like the controller that has been around for a decade. So much excitement about those PS4 announcements right now, the public can hardly contain itself. /s
BRocknRolla
Member
It's really something you have to assume. How could they not have been making deals all this time? They can't be as open about it, for what I assume are PR reasons, but MS would need to be run by insane people for them not to have made deals with devs. It would be baffling if they really have been sitting on their hands.
It's a public event that's of plenty of value if you want to convince devs in general (rather than a small hand-selected minority) to use your tech. Not at least confirming before it and having a panel or two on your USP is pretty dumb, yes.
You don't even need to nail down all the details, a one-hour presentation on getting ready for Kinect 2.0 (coming to PC this fall!) would even be an improvement.
Is MS making deals in private? Sure. Sony's making deals in private too. Is MS making deals in public? Nope, and meanwhile Sony's rolling into town trumpeting the end of content approval hoops to jump through.
Phonomezer
Banned
That article was as insightful as your average forum post.
Penguins&PolarBears
Member
Hi we're from Microsoft Xbox. We just sold about 80 million consoles worldwide and are publishing an indie game called Minecraft that has received 7 million downloads on Xbox Live Arcade. We also own this little platform called "Windows" and the "Windows Store" where we can feature your games in front of hundreds of millions of people. Would you like to do business with us?
Yeah it's going to be very difficult for Microsoft to convince indie developers to use their tech. Reality check please.
Hi, we're from Sony. We'll actually give you a devkit; you can sign up here.
Seems to me that a lot of XBLA devs got really sour from their experience with Microsoft this gen. I'd say they've got some convincing to do...
Baconsammy
Banned
Microsoft gives out devkits too. Really easily. So easily the SuperDAE was able to get his hands on 2 of them. Not hard.
Maybe they should give fewer devkits to Twitter PR men and more devkits to guys like Blow who've come out and said "we're targeting PS4 because Sony will actually talk to us". Just sayin'.
Brad Grenz
Member
Not if this thread continues to drag down the average.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Is it possible for one dev kit to be used across all three of MS's platforms (Windows, Phone, Durango?), especially for smaller indie games. I honestly have no idea.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Kinda yes. You just use Visual Studio and most of the APIs are now in some ways unified.
You can just start on windows and assume porting to Durango will be a minimal effort. Basically you can develop for Durango right now since the API will be the same.
Wat. Xbox only people have already stated how disappointing it would be if the rumours are true, like myself for example. I'm in no way an xbox hater and say if these rumours are true I won't get it.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Wasn't that proven to be bullshit?
Alx
Member
Announcing early or late won't change anything to that though. In the end, everybody will make his decision based on the real and official info.
All the negative buzz right now isn't really a problem for MS, since it will be reset once they show their cards : if it confirms the rumors, they won't be in a worse place than they are now (if anything they would have gotten rid of the shock value), and if it doesn't, all the current speculation will be quickly forgotten.
Many people claim that MS silence is bad because currently many gamers have a negative opinion on their unannounced console. But right now, those opinions don't matter.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
Nonsense.
Microsoft have done NOTHING to counter rumours about online DRM, no used games and under powered hardware (which is based of details MS has released to developers)
It is well within their power to affect the current situation - and they have chosen to say nothing.. which in itself lends credibility to the rumours.
You can say something isn't true without confirming your real plan if you want to.
When you get the likes of Jonathon Blow saying he chose PS4 because he believes Durango isn't really being aimed at gamers... Are you suggesting he's a sony fanboy?
Captain Tuttle
Member
Thanks, that seems to be a huge amount of leverage for a small indie developer (or any developer really). Having your game on Durango, Windows Phone, Windows 8 and Surface with minimal effort has to be massively appealing.
SpaceDrake
Member
Except that they're doing precisely dick-all to court unconvinced developers. Believe me - if Microsoft's presence here really is that thin, people are going to notice.
Meanwhile, even I'm considering attending the PS4 thing out of curiosity.
Who cares about blow. He has had a grudge against ms for a long time now.
The simple fact of the matter is this. Ms has the money and siZe to throw thier own gdc based on thier platforms or to simply fly out too / fly out devs for private meetings.
They simply dont need to be at gdc esp since the current leaks are claimed to have come feom durango day late Last year and ms just had a big private event a week ago
All this sky is falling stuff is ammusing. It happened last gen too with all the xbox 1.5 bs also
The simple fact of the matter is this. Ms has the money and siZe to throw thier own gdc based on thier platforms or to simply fly out too / fly out devs for private meetings.
They simply dont need to be at gdc esp since the current leaks are claimed to have come feom durango day late Last year and ms just had a big private event a week ago
All this sky is falling stuff is ammusing. It happened last gen too with all the xbox 1.5 bs also
"We havent been disclosed on Microsofts next console, so I dont know anything about that platform besides the rumors that are on the internet" - Jonathan Blow
POWERSPHERE
Member
You know what CVG? It's probably not a big deal at all.
hes by a long shot not the only one
multiple indi developers have said that their experience working with ms for Xbox was bad.
just a few examples.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-06-hypership-developer-xblig-market-isnt-growing
http://indiestatik.com/2012/11/20/xblig-developers-demand-more-timely-payments-from-microsoft/
the problem is there is no fact to a lot of this (no offline gaming, Kinect spying etc)... it is just fear mongering which is not typical of someone with an open mind to the system but with an agenda to find fault
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Very good and fair points. However, the reason why I suspect it may not stick or damage Durango at the start of its life is because look at the outcome when the opposite situation ran its course with other products. The pre release buzz on the Vita was extraordinarily good just about everywhere, particularly on forums, and that didn't appear to have any kind of positive carry over effect. Using another example, Kinect was mostly considered to be going nowhere fast or dead on arrival by a lot of forums and generally not very many people seemed convinced it had a serious chance for real success, and yet it ended up having a surprisingly strong degree of success, better than anybody ever expected. On the other hand, PS Move, which was definitely more positively received by gamers and game journalists, and clearly appeared to have more easily applied core game uses, struggled to achieve similar success. So, the buzz is always nice to have, especially when it's positive, but it doesn't exactly always translate the way people think. And public opinion can largely be so fickle and easily changed with one event, one trailer, one interview, one announcement, one comment from the right person. It takes the tiniest of things sometimes to either change minds entirely, or at least make something that much harder to criticize fairly. One way or the other, I think what the Xbox brand as a whole has going for it now in a positive sense is much more determinative of its future than anything it has going against it, which many still don't see as official until the new Xbox is officially unveiled.
The Wii, after Nintendo's E3 presser, made a lot of people want to believe in Nintendo's vision and it was, to a degree, even inspiring to see the passion that they had for the product, but nobody -- and I do mean nobody -- not most game journalist, and certainly not most forums, expected this massive dash of people buying up Wii's in numbers that were utterly destroying the PS3 and 360, and that were rivaling, at times exceeding, even the amazing rate set by the PS2. What I may believe and think makes complete sense to me, may not always be seen the same way by most people. People often ask come NPD time, just who the hell is buying all these 360s, believing that most who want one would already have one by now, or why they would be purchasing one if a new xbox is on the way. That's how out of the loop people are and will likely continue to be. We hardcore gamers are the sure bet, almost impulse buyers of the next generation. They aren't really concerned about not being able to get our attention. They know they will one way or the other. Even if by chance we all consider no used games and Kinect required negative, is that really going to filter throughout the general buying population as a big enough negative to meaningfully hurt sales? I doubt it.
No used games, if true, and Kinect required, I don't believe will hurt the new xbox the way some people think it will. A lot of people, me included, don't mind Kinect, because I know it doesn't mean no controller. I'm also very excited by the prospect of what Kinect could be as a required standard in the next xbox, the way it should have been on the 360, but was, of course, not possible. I think it has exciting potential and I hope it lives up to it. I also don't count myself as being apart of the used games market. It's just something I don't like doing and wouldn't miss very much if it's gone. I've only done it once in my life, and I probably won't do it again. I always, if given a choice, will choose to get my games new. However, I would like to able to lend friends and family my games sometimes. That's pretty important to me, so it would be nice if games could somehow be registered for use on at least two different consoles at any one time. Say, for example, I have someone on here on my xbox live friends list, and I wanted to lend them the physical copy of my game, maybe I could grant permission through their gamertag, to borrow and install my game on their machine, but maybe for the person that borrows the game, there is a time limit that will eventually expire, making the game unplayable afterwards, unless the original owner decides to extend that time limit. Maybe the clock is only ticking when the person is actually playing the game, so if they have it for 5 days, the person would actually need to play it for 120 hours before the game no longer works. I wouldn't mind a system such as this.
They're leaks, not just rumors. There's a big difference.
I'd much rather go with what we know based on the leaks and possibly be pleasantly surprised rather than say "Lalala I'm not listening!" And be disappointed when they do finally reveal the thing.
The console isn't even revealed yet. Sony still has a lot of games they can show that will blow minds.
EagleBurnn
Banned
oh no the generation is over. ps4 has won
RIP Xbox
RIP Xbox
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Unless one really drops the ball in some major way, Microsoft has nothing to be concerned about regarding Sony's plans and reveals, and Sony has nothing to be concerned about regarding Microsoft's plans and reveals.
People will be just as excited to see what the next xbox has to show as they were regarding the PS4 unveil.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Microso...-App-Voice-Commands-dictation,news-16875.html
There's no question the next Xbox will have this. Check out how much better it is.
Come on I think you're going overboard. Surely Xbox has some life left?
ChosenPredator
Banned
What about XBLI ...Im confused is XBLA indie games or is XBLI indie games...because in that section on xbox i literally see tons of new games up every day and tons of minecraft clones
I'm noticing a distinct trend of games NOT being announced for PS4 even though they are presumably coming. First it was BF4 and now MGSV. Preemptive move by MS to shut up third party devs and overcome this "disastrous mistake" or what? Seems very strange that they will not comment on the existence of PS4 versions even though EA execs said on conference call that PS4 version of BF4 looked amazing and Kojipro have been promoting cross gen abilities of FOX engine for some time.
no
Totally expected. Sony is just blowing their wad early.
Ms planned for them to be more powerful and are simply sticking to their plan.
No need to panic for them. That's just fantasy as is this article in the OP.
Uno Venova
Banned
I thought they did say a PS4 version to polygon?
Crimson_Gold
Member
They did