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Danganronpa 3 Mafia |OT| Side: Scum

Bronx-Man

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You haven't really seemed to care about the little nuances of the game thus far. You complain about the Terra suicide, you worry over Flush's death. Those are big things though, I don't recall you ever showing much action towards anything else other than jumping on the Blarg vote once other people were going for it.
Blarg was all we talked about on the previous days. What nuances were I missing? Honestly asking here.

Well this just sealed the deal for me.

VOTE:Bronx-man

In my eyes your FA sounds more like a hindrance for scum.
Nin, I can't help but feel like even if I didn't claim, you would still vote for me.
 

Sorian

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Blarg was all we talked about on the previous days. What nuances were I missing? Honestly asking here.

I don't recall you having much of a stance on Star's override, my claim, Kark's claim, Ty4on's insistence that Royal was good, or even any semblance of a reads list.
 

nin1000

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Nin, I can't help but feel like even if I didn't claim, you would still vote for me.

To be fair I would have or still will either vote for you, kingkitty or natiko.

All 3 of you gave me strange vibes. Please don't throw the towel just yet since you have only 2 votes on you. If you keep up with good postings things may change.
 

OceanicAir

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Fair, defending the Blarg lynch feels off as well but you tend to be brash like that so no real issue there.



This is like asking why we haven't done a full PR claim yet and why i was against FA talk if people were uncomfortable on day 1. It's clear FAs are tied to the PR if the person has one and scum can just lie anyway, they had 3-4 heads to work with so I'm sure they could come up with semi-believable lies so what was the point if it would out PRs or just force them to lie as well?
I'm more of talking about right now in this case. But I do get the point at least before regarding Royal. Remember though out of the people who haven't claimed their FA yet are either a) scum and they know what our FAs are anyways or b) town and we have some filthy liars with fake FAs that have already claimed and will likely go after the unclaimed. And it's only Stan, Kitty, and Natiko left iirc.

And I'd like to see them try anyways. Besides what town PR is missing, a roleblocker? A watcher? At this point if we have that then mafia would have to have some ridiculous roles. I'd be much more interested in potential lies. Scum would way more uncomfortable at this point.
 
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Im all aboard for the bronx train, i honestly cant think of a single post he has made this game that sat well with me, particularly the constant lashing out at the slightest criticism, which i know is hardly uncommon for bronx, but in conjunction with the lack of any actually helpful posting, well it just feels bad.

vite: Bronx-Man

To be fair I would have or still will either vote for you, kingkitty or natiko.

All 3 of you gave me strange vibes. Please don't throw the towel just yet since you have only 2 votes on you. If you keep up with good postings things may change.

are you able to elborate on your stance on natiko at all, iv kinda been getting the opposite feeling form him.
 

Ty4on

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Im all aboard for the bronx train, i honestly cant think of a single post he has made this game that sat well with me, particularly the constant lashing out at the slightest criticism, which i know is hardly uncommon for bronx, but in conjunction with the lack of any actually helpful posting, well it just feels bad.

But do you think he is scum?
 

kingkitty

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I'll clear the air then. I'm the Ultimate Driver. I don't have a PR, but my forbidden FA is that I can't turbo any players.

you are saying you have a unique name, and yet you're not a PR?

i would think the players named Reserve Course Student (like Blarg) would be the ones without any kind of power.
 

Ty4on

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you are saying you have a unique name, and yet you're not a PR?

i would think the players named Reserve Course Student (like Blarg) would be the ones without any kind of power.

loooool, didn't catch that

I'm actually working on something so pls don't turbo right away
 

Sorian

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you are saying you have a unique name, and yet you're not a PR?

i would think the players named Reserve Course Student (like Blarg) would be the ones without any kind of power.

I also didn't catch that, RIP, I'm usually good at those things.

I'm on mobile and tried to quote OA too but it didn't work. Explain why you say scum would know our FAs? Where do you get that wrong idea from?
 

kingkitty

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I'm curious to hear what OA has to say for not voting for two days straight.

I'm also curious to hear what Bronx has to say. I don't support a turbo at the moment. I'll have some hot reads ready tomorrow.
 

Ty4on

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Ok, so I read at Mafiascum and came across the Scumputer and wanted to try it myself.

No, it's not another gambit. It's an interesting way of scumhunting that works off of the base assumption that scum are randomly distributed over the lynch wagons that have formed. Then by filling in how many flipped townies or scum were on a wagon you get a value of how likely the other players on a wagon are to being scum and you add all values together.
One issue in this game is we really haven't had a lot of wagons and it seems to punish people who vote a lot. Anyhow, the results:

  • Natiko - 1.1
  • Sorian - 1.0
  • Bronx-Man - 0.8
  • FluxWaveZ - 0.8
  • StanleyPalmtree - 0.7
  • kingkitty - 0.6
  • StarSketch - 0.04
  • Ty4on - 0.04
  • Nin1000 - 0 (never voted for a wagon)
  • OA - lol

This surprised me a bit, but I still town read Natiko. He seems to fairly consistently be solving. It's worth nothing Natiko and Sorian were on 4 wagons, Bronx, Flux, Stanly and kitty were on just 2. Negative values are possible, but I didn't get any, presumably because some didn't vote.

If I put in Bronx as scum (because lol at that claim) I get:

  • Sorian - 1.0
  • Natiko - 0.7
  • kingkitty - 0.6
  • StanleyPalmtree - 0.4
  • FluxWaveZ - 0.2
  • StarSketch - 0.04
  • Ty4on - 0.04
  • Nin1000 - 0 (never voted for a wagon)
  • OA - lol

If you wanna take a look at it yourself here's the Google doc (stolen from the mafiascum link) and these are the wagons I generated (wagons have 4+ on D1, 3+ on D2 and I didn't make multiple per lynchee).
 

Ty4on

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Oh yeah, forgot to mention I made Faddy into town as he basically is from scum's PoV.

No, I don't think this proves Sorian is scum, Nin and OA especially are blind sports, but I think it can be useful. Scum usually try to avoid bunching up on a lynch.
 

Ty4on

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I'm still strongly against a turbo. I'd like to spend more time looking at Bronx from a W/W perspective.
If he flips scum it obviously looks good for kingkitty after making that observation.
 

Natiko

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Done with the festivities of the day but I need to head to bed. Just quickly skimming I see that Bronx is clearly lying. Not a great look. At absolute best we have a town PR that just outed themselves, but that doesn't seem like the most likely scenario based on what we've seen so far. Not sure what the vote count is so I won't put mine down yet since we have more to discuss today before a turbo.

I'll have to look into that analysis Ty ran, but just skimming over it I'll say I think numbers are going to be skewed because literally the only way to look at Blarg's actions as town were to assume based on meta he was lying for fun, because catching him in lies and then having him refuse to actually engage in a conversation about it didn't really leave many positive ways to view Blarg.

I'll give a thorough read of stuff as time permits at work and then after get back to contributing as much as I can.
 

FluxWaveZ

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you are saying you have a unique name, and yet you're not a PR?

i would think the players named Reserve Course Student (like Blarg) would be the ones without any kind of power.

Oh wow, you're right. Bronx is blatantly lying about being the "Ultimate Driver" if he doesn't have a power role. And something sounded off to me about his forbidden action, too. Like, I feel that his FA is too "easy." I guess I didn't investigate his claim more since easily averted FAs that could remain covert sounds like a vanilla townie type of FA, but now he's either lying about his role name, lying about his FA, lying about his PR (or lack thereof) or all three.

Bronx has been pretty much a null read to me this whole game because his whole thing has pretty much been about pointing fingers at those who voted "wrong" or pressured the "wrong" person (i.e. Terrabyte). He's been aggressive, and has responded as such towards anyone who suspected him. That'd set alarm bells for me, but apparently that's his usual playstyle?

In any case, I'm looking back and recalling that he hasn't given much insight on his reads. Just pointing his suspicion at people for superficial reasons, and defending himself when he has been called out on it. Over and over again.

Combined with the obvious lie, well:

Vote: Bronx-Man

I'm into turbos, so I don't really care if it happens. Maybe not before Bronx can retaliate, though.
 

Sorian

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I tried reading that scumputer thing and I'd be more worried if I had a low score with the way I like to play as scum. Not going to lie though Ty, that looked a ton like being busy for the sake of looking busy.

I'm still strongly against a turbo. I'd like to spend more time looking at Bronx from a W/W perspective.
If he flips scum it obviously looks good for kingkitty after making that observation.

King kitty is the only one who comes out looking ahead, I agree. If it was anyone other than me pushing the line since yesterday that sure but I ride my scummates into the floor so if Bronx is scum I accept that it means fuck all for me.

Oh wow, you're right. Bronx is blatantly lying about being the "Ultimate Driver" if he doesn't have a power role. And something sounded off to me about his forbidden action, too. Like, I feel that his FA is too "easy." I guess I didn't investigate his claim more since easily averted FAs that could remain covert sounds like a vanilla townie type of FA, but now he's either lying about his role name, lying about his FA, lying about his PR (or lack thereof) or all three.

Bronx has been pretty much a null read to me this whole game because his whole thing has pretty much been about pointing fingers at those who voted "wrong" or pressured the "wrong" person (i.e. Terrabyte). He's been aggressive, and has responded as such towards anyone who suspected him. That'd set alarm bells for me, but apparently that's his usual playstyle?

In any case, I'm looking back and recalling that he hasn't given much insight on his reads. Just pointing his suspicion at people for superficial reasons, and defending himself when he has been called out on it. Over and over again.

Combined with the obvious lie, well:

Vote: Bronx-Man

I'm into turbos, so I don't really care if it happens. Maybe not before Bronx can retaliate, though.

Wouldn't you say that Blarg's FA was too easy? Like I still think Bronx is scum but that was an odd reason to throw in.
 

FluxWaveZ

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Wouldn't you say that Blarg's FA was too easy? Like I still think Bronx is scum but that was an odd reason to throw in.

It is, but that's specifically because he turned out to be a vanilla townie (I didn't bother taking what he was saying about his FA seriously until the flip). I very much doubt a power role would have such an innocuous FA as "don't turbo." The balance so far has very much appeared to be a "give and take" kinda deal, with great power coming alongside its negatives through the FA mechanic.

And then there's the fact that I do not think anyone who is an "Ultimate" can essentially be a vanilla townie. Blarg was a Reserve Course Student, just like the example role PM showed, and he also had his own (rather innocuous) FA to go with it. Bronx is lying about some or several things here, and I'm starting to think those who lie about their Forbidden Actions are real bad news.

Which leads me to point to StanleyPalmtree. It seemed that he was mainly kidding when he "revealed" his early on, but it doesn't sit right with me. I almost feel like Karkador was right, and mass claiming Forbidden Actions would give us a better idea of how they relate to each other, alignments, and power roles, based on the dead. Then again, this could also hint at potential Power Roles, so I'm not saying we should actually do this.
 

OceanicAir

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you are saying you have a unique name, and yet you're not a PR?

i would think the players named Reserve Course Student (like Blarg) would be the ones without any kind of power.
Aye, noticed that earlier.
I also didn't catch that, RIP, I'm usually good at those things.

I'm on mobile and tried to quote OA too but it didn't work. Explain why you say scum would know our FAs? Where do you get that wrong idea from?
Because we said them in thread? 7/10 of the players remaining have claimed an FA and the one that most recently claimed had discrepancies and hardly "cleared the air". Which is why I continued to want others to claim to see how well they would make it up too.
However, I'd like to see something else:

Hey, OceanicAir. Can you vote for me, please?
Sure,
vote: FluxWaveZ

I can vote, I just don't do it often in any mafia game I've played. In this game I was late the first day and didn't care for a symbolic vote on the second.
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Did I miss someone claim the FA erasure? Because didn't Kark die for that?
 

FluxWaveZ

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I can vote, I just don't do it often in any mafia game I've played. In this game I was late the first day and didn't care for a symbolic vote on the second.

Hmph, fine. Totally thought I might have caught Karkador in a lie concerning his FA before, and now people were talking about your lack of votes too. I guess an FA where someone literally couldn't vote would be a bit nuts, unless they had a PR intrinsically tied to that.

I think everyone remaining has posted at least once on D3. No one has confirmed that they got their FA removed yet, though.
 

Sorian

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Aye, noticed that earlier.

Because we said them in thread? 7/10 of the players remaining have claimed an FA and the one that most recently claimed had discrepancies and hardly "cleared the air". Which is why I continued to want others to claim to see how well they would make it up too.

Sure,
vote: FluxWaveZ

I can vote, I just don't do it often in any mafia game I've played. In this game I was late the first day and didn't care for a symbolic vote on the second.
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Did I miss someone claim the FA erasure? Because didn't Kark die for that?

Hmm I misunderstood your post then if that's all you meant and no, no one claimed to have had their FA removed so either Flush was the target or Kark was roleblocked.
 

OceanicAir

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Hmph, fine. Totally thought I might have caught Karkador in a lie concerning his FA before, and now people were talking about your lack of votes too. I guess an FA where someone literally couldn't vote would be a bit nuts, unless they had a PR intrinsically tied to that.

I think everyone remaining has posted at least once on D3. No one has confirmed that they got their FA removed yet, though.
The candidates would likely be someone who has already claimed and was trusted since that was the criteria on which he erased yours. I'm wondering why they wouldn't say anything though.
 

OceanicAir

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Hmm I misunderstood your post then if that's all you meant and no, no one claimed to have had their FA removed so either Flush was the target or Kark was roleblocked.
Oh, duh. That seems exponentially more likely than anything else since that is a role I fully expect mafia to have.
 

Sorian

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Oh, duh. That seems exponentially more likely than anything else since that is a role I fully expect mafia to have.

It seems likely but I'm not sure why they would bother. If Kark lied and just removed his own FA, I'm sure there would have been a few dissenting voices, myself for example, looking to see if that was a scum tell and otherwise, there were no claims made that Kark had to urgently remove to help town and the scenario that he knocked off a mafia FA was still fairly plausible.
 

Sorian

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Though, making 100% sure he died would probably have been worth it. Can't really say the "noble" thing of sacrificing himself for someone else's FA was really worth it if that's actually what he did.
 

FluxWaveZ

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So 2 possibilities:

1. Karkador did what he said he would do, and removed someone else's forbidden action, sacrificing himself in the process.

2. Karkador was role blocked, either by a townie who didn't trust him or a scum player who has that ability and wanted a guaranteed kill due to what Karkador claimed was his FA previously.

It could be either of these at this point. #1 is why we need the person in question to at least claim they had their FA removed, it that's what happened.
 

Sorian

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Of course i did, do you disagree with what i said about him only being sparesly in the game just to mention that its late and he wont be able to post ?

Considering thats what Stanley has done in every single game ever, your swerve just sounds like you avoiding the question. I don't agree with Stanley's play style and it would let him hide easily as scum but at the end of the day his behavior isn't indicative of alignment.
 

nin1000

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Considering thats what Stanley has done in every single game ever, your swerve just sounds like you avoiding the question. I don't agree with Stanley's play style and it would let him hide easily as scum but at the end of the day his behavior isn't indicative of alignment.

That is indeed true, thats why he is not on my top scum list buddy
 

CrimsonFist

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bronx-man (4)
sorian 1759
nin1000 1798
stanleypalmtree 1808
fluxwavez 1820

fluxwavez (1)
oceanicair 1824

An up to date vote count can be found here.

Majority is 6

Day Ends:
 
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Are you able to do more than one post per day phase ?
Sorry to sound bitter but its almost bed time for you.
I just want to know

nin, iv been trying to look past it, but jesus christ, your bullshit is getting so far from reality that its just plain silly now.
you clearly dont actually care if i contribute more, if you really wanted that you would be less insulting and you would at least pretend to actually talk to me. what you are doing now is just petty and obnoxious.
i dont buy for a second that this is about my activity, so what the fuck man? what are you trying to do?

and answer my god damn question.
 
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Which leads me to point to StanleyPalmtree. It seemed that he was mainly kidding when he "revealed" his early on, but it doesn't sit right with me. I almost feel like Karkador was right, and mass claiming Forbidden Actions would give us a better idea of how they relate to each other, alignments, and power roles, based on the dead. Then again, this could also hint at potential Power Roles, so I'm not saying we should actually do this.

yeah i might as well clear this now,

so my initial FA, which still was a total lie, was not entirely for the lols, i had to fake claim an FA before Day 4, and i figured i would get it out early.

and because i bet someone will be anal about it, the FA was stated as 'forbidden to not have fake claim a forbidden action by day for'
 

nin1000

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are you able to elborate on your stance on natiko at all, iv kinda been getting the opposite feeling form him.

First i had a good feeling about him, but his back and forth with Blarg somehow smeared that good feeling i had about him. So for now i am suspicious about him.
 
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First i had a good feeling about him, but his back and forth with Blarg somehow smeared that good feeling i had about him. So for now i am suspicious about him.

any specific points that blarg made that brought this on?
cuz it felt like Blarg was really throwing everything but the kitchen sink at him.
 

nin1000

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any specific points that blarg made that brought this on?
cuz it felt like Blarg was really throwing everything but the kitchen sink at him.

Only the interactions from yesterday. I know we can say that it was blarg being blarg and all of that but i will stay suspicious. Somehow it felt like he hit gold.
 

Sorian

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I have no idea what point nin is trying to convey.

I'm also going to

UNVOTE

I'm personally in the camp of fuck it on the turbo since the role claim lie makes this open and shut for me but other people seem to want to talk and I'm sleeping for the next 8 hours so I'll reign the vote back by 1.
 

Natiko

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yeah i might as well clear this now,

so my initial FA, which still was a total lie, was not entirely for the lols, i had to fake claim an FA before Day 4, and i figured i would get it out early.

and because i bet someone will be anal about it, the FA was stated as 'forbidden to not have fake claim a forbidden action by day for'
That's a curious FA. Doesn't exactly ring as a town one.

I had a family emergency come up, but I'll still try and keep up. Sorry guys.

Do we want to have everyone reveal their FA?
 

OceanicAir

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That's a curious FA. Doesn't exactly ring as a town one.

I had a family emergency come up, but I'll still try and keep up. Sorry guys.

Do we want to have everyone reveal their FA?
Well you know where I stand on this besides there are only two people left now who haven't claimed.
Even if I was lying about my FA, so did Faddy who flipped. Hell, Sorian literally admitted lying about his FA, but I don't see anyone riding his ass.
You literally said you wanted to "clear the air" by claiming. So instead you come out with a profoundly dodgy claim then say "well others did it too!" Cmon now. And do have some sort of good reason to lie or do you need time to browse mafiascum for a fake claim?

Also, there is a difference between saying that I lied and someone catching you in a lie. And Faddy was a neutral and was killed at night probably because of said lie.
 

Natiko

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Even if I was lying about my FA, so did Faddy who flipped. Hell, Sorian literally admitted lying about his FA, but I don't see anyone riding his ass.
This isn't about you lying about an FA. You name claimed one that should have a PR but then said you were vanilla. That's the clear lie, but your response shows your FA is likely a lie too.

VOTE: Bronx-Man