Yes he has.
And they are calles superheroes for a reason. Heroes dont kill. Villains and maniacs do.
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And they are calles superheroes for a reason. Heroes dont kill. Villains and maniacs do.
I mostly loved this. But I felt the first half was stronger than the second half. Especially with the fights. The fights in the first half were so great.
D'Onofrio's Kingpin was super interesting. I think I like the concept of him more than the actual result though. Like, it's really interesting that he's a fucked up man-child who spent part of his life on a farm and in China and is probably talking the way he thinks high-society types talk because he's so isolated, but it comes across as kinda goofy.
I didn't like the final suit much. The black suit was awesome and grew on me more and more as the series went along. It felt totally natural. When the final suit showed up, it felt like generic corny superhero scenes.
Charlie Cox was awesome, mostly. Stick was amazing. Wish Rosario/Claire was in this more. She was more interesting than Karen and Foggy.
I noticed a lot of people saying the first episode was weak, but I disagree. I loved how much it went into Matt's character. Outside of the fights, the confession was probably my favorite scene of the show. I loved the way Matt described the devil in the Murdock boys. How terrifying his dad could be sometimes, and how he didn't understand it as a kid but did now.
That's about it. For the vast majority of it, I thought it was maybe the best superhero media out of any TV or movie I've seen.
D'Onofrio's Kingpin was super interesting. I think I like the concept of him more than the actual result though. Like, it's really interesting that he's a fucked up man-child who spent part of his life on a farm and in China and is probably talking the way he thinks high-society types talk because he's so isolated, but it comes across as kinda goofy.
I didn't like the final suit much. The black suit was awesome and grew on me more and more as the series went along. It felt totally natural. When the final suit showed up, it felt like generic corny superhero scenes.
Charlie Cox was awesome, mostly. Stick was amazing. Wish Rosario/Claire was in this more. She was more interesting than Karen and Foggy.
I noticed a lot of people saying the first episode was weak, but I disagree. I loved how much it went into Matt's character. Outside of the fights, the confession was probably my favorite scene of the show. I loved the way Matt described the devil in the Murdock boys. How terrifying his dad could be sometimes, and how he didn't understand it as a kid but did now.
That's about it. For the vast majority of it, I thought it was maybe the best superhero media out of any TV or movie I've seen.
obin_gam
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One of the things that bug me extrem with the Marvel movies. Its good to have a couple of heroes who actually care.
Night Hunter
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Yep. Marvel has long thrown that out of the window. Doesn't Iron Man headshot like 10 terrorist in one scene in the first movie?
gimmmick
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Just finished watching episodes. It's been a while since I binge watched a whole series in less than 2 two days lol.
Awesome stuff, marvel really has a hit on their hands. The casting they did was on the money. I liked every character. I was really pissed they killed off Wesley (sp?) and Ben's character.
Also, did anyone else feel like the ending was along the lines of the sopranos in the finale?
Episode 9, speak of the devil and episode 4: In the blood are the best episodes of the series. I can't believe how good the first season was. I hope marvel decides to go down this route for more comic book stories.
Awesome stuff, marvel really has a hit on their hands. The casting they did was on the money. I liked every character. I was really pissed they killed off Wesley (sp?) and Ben's character.
Also, did anyone else feel like the ending was along the lines of the sopranos in the finale?
Episode 9, speak of the devil and episode 4: In the blood are the best episodes of the series. I can't believe how good the first season was. I hope marvel decides to go down this route for more comic book stories.
MadraptorMan
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Anyone have any ideas on what "Black Sky" is supposed to be?
gimmmick
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Loving the connection to other DD story arcs (Elektra, Hand, Karen's addiction in Born Again etc.), as well as Iron Fist hints.
Also, i think i'm the only one who found Stan Lee's cameo in ep13 lol, din't see it post it anywhere else:
I spoted that as well. I was waiting for some sort of cameo from Lee the whole time. It's FUCKING Stan Lee!
In the police station:
LOL
Iron Man murdered terrorists, Steve and Thor are soldiers/warriors. They never really killed anyone who didn't have it coming.
LOL
Iron Man murdered terrorists, Steve and Thor are soldiers/warriors. They never really killed anyone who didn't have it coming.
Is Vanessa a new character, a MCU invention, or is she based on one or more comic book characters?
Found this via reddit. People are champinioning to make the show accesable to blind people, and use it as s tepping stone for more audio descriptions:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102563311
Fans to Netflix: Make Daredevil accessible to the blind
Found this via reddit. People are champinioning to make the show accesable to blind people, and use it as s tepping stone for more audio descriptions:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102563311
Fans to Netflix: Make Daredevil accessible to the blind
Vanessa Fisk was a thing before the show: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanessa_Fisk
Nightengale
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Russian bros. ;_;
Poor Gideon emery, he is so good in so many games it was weird seeing his real face
Gentle Rodriguez
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Holy shit he's been in every game
Beaniedude
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Did anyone catch the little Daredevil symbol near the end as they were walking back up to the office?
I thought it was a nice touch.
Where? I dont see it.
Night Hunter
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It's not my logic, it's the respective movies' and show's logic. Daredevil not killing Kingpin was anchored to the catholic guilt thing. The others don't have that. I don't see a problem.
More_Badass
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If I recall, there's a reason in the comics why he or even Punisher doesnt kill Fisk, other than Matt's Catholic beliefs. Better the devil you know. He keeps everyone else in check and the power vacuum and resulting gang war that happens when Fisk isnt in power tend to be pretty bad
And Matt is often on the precipice of becoming a man like the Punisher. The two vigilantes have a pretty interesting relationship.
beyond_death
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The show is amazing. Absolutely loved Cox, I thought he nailed every aspect. Loved Foggy, where I honestly dont really care much for him in the comics. And I'm thinking the events of this season might lead Karen down a certain dark path. Cant wait for season 2 Vanessa, she will be pissed.
This felt to me like HBO did a superhero show except with less "fuck"s and nudity. Seriously, season 2 needs to happen fast.
This felt to me like HBO did a superhero show except with less "fuck"s and nudity. Seriously, season 2 needs to happen fast.
Night Hunter
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I don't really care about the lack of nudity (not that Deborah Ann Woll for example would do it anyway), but all the shits flying around and just one barely audible slow motion fuck from the cop at the beginning of episode 6 felt a little bit jarring and I really don't understand why. I know that they don't use the word in the movies but they also don't show decapitated corpses and close ups of open fractures in the movies.
It was a little bit weird to be honest.
Escape Goat
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Steve is a soldier. I think he understands the need to kill sometimes.
He spent half the show trying to justify killing Fisk and couldn't do it. It's not like they never addressed his rule and why he feels the way he does.
Mister Wilhelm
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Just finished. It was ok.
+ Three leads had decent chemistry, ok actors.
+ Generally likable cast.
+ Grounded for the most part.
+ Vincent D'Onofrio going full metal jacket on people.
+ Villains were somewhat interesting even though not fully explored.
+ Political angle intriguing but not fully explored.
+ Actor who played Jack Murdock was actually quite good (John Patrick Hayden).
+ Scott Glenn dominated his screen time, great character.
+ Not afraid to be violent.
+ Atmosphere was good but not consistent or flowing.
+ Rosario's character conflict with Matt was true to life and well-written.
- Crappy dark blue/green low budget colorization. Typical, typically shitty.
- Repetitive plot structure. Beat a guy up, find another guy, beat him up, etc.
- Fight choreography extremely stale.
- CGI gore/blood.
- Vincent D'Onofrio's weird gutteral accent slipping in and out.
- The suit. Looks cheap, kinda lame.
- The completely unnecessary and embarrassingly terrible fight scene into heart to heart when he met the suit maker. Easily the worst part of the entire series. Tonally atrocious.
- Antiquated superhero tropes just being there because of the comics: guy that doesn't use guns and won't kill anyone but somehow manages to never get shot going up against assault rifles at close range (the confrontation with the Triad boss and her henchmen was particularly embarrassing).
- Oh yeah, also the shitty black and white attitude of "if you kill you're just like him!" or "you're becoming what you hate!" So completely stupid and childish, lazy as hell from a writer's perspective.
- Not enough action overall, entire series overloaded with dialog. However, the action wasn't great so it wasn't that regrettable.
- Level of corruption in the city funded by one man completely unrealistic. Getting people to cover things up is one thing, but paying dozens of people to be loyal in the event they can be tied as an accomplice to murder takes a huge amount of money that even a rich man would struggle with.
I don't regret watching the whole thing, but I would never do it again nor would I be that interested in a second season.
+ Three leads had decent chemistry, ok actors.
+ Generally likable cast.
+ Grounded for the most part.
+ Vincent D'Onofrio going full metal jacket on people.
+ Villains were somewhat interesting even though not fully explored.
+ Political angle intriguing but not fully explored.
+ Actor who played Jack Murdock was actually quite good (John Patrick Hayden).
+ Scott Glenn dominated his screen time, great character.
+ Not afraid to be violent.
+ Atmosphere was good but not consistent or flowing.
+ Rosario's character conflict with Matt was true to life and well-written.
- Crappy dark blue/green low budget colorization. Typical, typically shitty.
- Repetitive plot structure. Beat a guy up, find another guy, beat him up, etc.
- Fight choreography extremely stale.
- CGI gore/blood.
- Vincent D'Onofrio's weird gutteral accent slipping in and out.
- The suit. Looks cheap, kinda lame.
- The completely unnecessary and embarrassingly terrible fight scene into heart to heart when he met the suit maker. Easily the worst part of the entire series. Tonally atrocious.
- Antiquated superhero tropes just being there because of the comics: guy that doesn't use guns and won't kill anyone but somehow manages to never get shot going up against assault rifles at close range (the confrontation with the Triad boss and her henchmen was particularly embarrassing).
- Oh yeah, also the shitty black and white attitude of "if you kill you're just like him!" or "you're becoming what you hate!" So completely stupid and childish, lazy as hell from a writer's perspective.
- Not enough action overall, entire series overloaded with dialog. However, the action wasn't great so it wasn't that regrettable.
- Level of corruption in the city funded by one man completely unrealistic. Getting people to cover things up is one thing, but paying dozens of people to be loyal in the event they can be tied as an accomplice to murder takes a huge amount of money that even a rich man would struggle with.
I don't regret watching the whole thing, but I would never do it again nor would I be that interested in a second season.
More_Badass
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Just curious, have you read the comics? I started reading Daredevil recently, and half of tbose things are less shitty writing and more bringing the characters to life in a very faithful way.
And seriously, bad fight choreography? Even the hallway fight? That was awesome and it was a legit one-take scene, no cuts
Go rewatch the last shot of him.
peanutbutterlatte
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Go rewatch the last shot of him.
It's a white prison shirt, but I know what you mean
Does look very much like his white suit. Kind of like they both had their "classic" costume by the end of Ep 13!Well, this is a spoiler thread and seeing the costume is not that big of a deal.
More_Badass
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I really liked the look of the suit, tactical and effective, but it just felt out of place in the show IMO. Sure it's in the MCU, but the show had more of a gritty FX vibe so the masked themed outfit just seemed kind of weird.
The Hermit
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For such a "realistic" show, I hope the handle the supernatural aspect in a smooth way or it will become another Arrow.
I didnt at first, its in the garbage.
I didnt at first, its in the garbage.
A hundred year-old woman put Daredevil on his ass with a single open palm strike. Was that smooth enough?
Palette Swap
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It was mostly excellent but fuck killing Ben, he was a great character, and fuck that cowl, it looks really bad.
Still the best superhero TV show I've seen.
Still the best superhero TV show I've seen.
Yes, she was paying them back for helping her because she had no money.
EdibleKnife
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The prison suit was close. Besides, Vanessa wouldn't be a fan. She mentioned the anectode on their second date about not being a fan of a guy in a gaudy white suit and purple ascot.
God I loved this show. Shouldn't have killed Ben. I know they probably wanted to accelerate some things but I'm sure they could have worked around that. Anxiously hoping the 2nd season has Bullseye. Also more winks and nods. I know not everyone enjoys 'em but hearing Kingpin say something lie "I'm not a big fan of spiders" is the kind of stuff that makes me giddy.
Re-posting. Only problem I have with Episode 9 is:
The fight with the Ninja was great. It looked like how he was set on fire was an accident that worked out in Matt's favor. But you mean to tell me that Fisk and his cronies were hiding a few rooms over just waiting? Was Nobu aware that the Kingpin were nearby? How did Daredevil not hear the 3 extra heart beats if they within close vicinity of the warehouse? Fisk decides not to just shoot him but fight Daredevil for a bit, ultimately winning the fist fight. But leaves him before he could smash his face in and lets his goons finish the job. When Daredevil leaps through the window and into the water I had a Simpsons flashback "Damn! He's very slowly getting away!
The fight with the Ninja was great. It looked like how he was set on fire was an accident that worked out in Matt's favor. But you mean to tell me that Fisk and his cronies were hiding a few rooms over just waiting? Was Nobu aware that the Kingpin were nearby? How did Daredevil not hear the 3 extra heart beats if they within close vicinity of the warehouse? Fisk decides not to just shoot him but fight Daredevil for a bit, ultimately winning the fist fight. But leaves him before he could smash his face in and lets his goons finish the job. When Daredevil leaps through the window and into the water I had a Simpsons flashback "Damn! He's very slowly getting away!
Mister Wilhelm
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Yes, even the hallway fight. It's been done before, and better.
I think the thing that bothered me most about this show is literally not a single thing about it is original. And on top of that, there is just no feeling of passion there.
It feels like Marvel said "We need to try to expand this TV show stuff. Let's make one with one of our middle tier heroes. Here's X dollars. Just get a few affordable names on this project, do as good a job as you can, throw it on Netflix, and we'll see what happens."
There's no feeling of adventure or care like there is in the Marvel movies, even the bad ones. It's just actors walking through a script playing at these characters. It doesn't feel engaging at all.
That being said, it's not bad for a TV show. Slightly above average even.
I have read the comics, but sometimes being overly faithful ruins an opportunity to create something original and find new ways to explore the characters that is better suited for the medium.
peanutbutterlatte
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You're wayyyy too general in your analysis. Way too general man.
Nothing original? Show me a TV series based on a comic within a wider universe where you have a villain played excellently who you don't know whether to hate or feel sorry for. I don't think they were too faithful at all. A super faithful interpretation would have had him in bright red spandex with the Kingpin being a nigh on 2D comic book villain.
Seriously if you've seen Episode 8 how can you say the actors are "walking through" scenes raaaaaaah so frustrating!
TheDarkKnight774
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The only plot point I hated was killing Ben already. Too big a character and great a character to do that. He needed to be there in season 2 when we should be getting more of DDs notable villains showing up.
Also it was interesting how overt they made the Fisk and Vanessa wardrobe colors. Vanessa always in white and Wilson always black. But once they hook up then he's in grey and in a cross roads. And later I believe Vanessa starts dressing in darker tones.
Speaking of Fisk I hope this is his year one and next season he returns with no pretenses and embraces being the kingpin
And speculation on Karen's secret past? I'm guessing it's comic book spoilers
Also it was interesting how overt they made the Fisk and Vanessa wardrobe colors. Vanessa always in white and Wilson always black. But once they hook up then he's in grey and in a cross roads. And later I believe Vanessa starts dressing in darker tones.
Speaking of Fisk I hope this is his year one and next season he returns with no pretenses and embraces being the kingpin
And speculation on Karen's secret past? I'm guessing it's comic book spoilers
the drugs and porn stuff?
peanutbutterlatte
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I think so, in Ep 13 he drops the savior thing and states he will kill Daredevil.
TheDarkKnight774
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That was my take too. But we'll see.
More_Badass
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Right, Oldboy. Going to have to agree to disagree. Finally saw that Oldboy fight everyone talks about and it looked ridiculous IMO. Daredevil's hallway scene was way more grueling, realistic, and just a better fight to me
Did we even watch the same show?
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