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Dark Souls III Press Event Discussion: Embargo - 8am CST (03/01/)
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lifa-cobex
Member
Character creation screen sounds like Demon Souls...?
Could be wrong
edit: Nope I'm wrong. It's from DS1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIDShT8cb4g
DoubleTake
Member
This is exactly what im getting from it. We dont yet know how interconnected everything will be. Probably not Ds1 levels but hopefully at least like BB. If not we know the individual levels will be highly interconnected.
OrbitalBeard
Member
As long as the level design is great, I don't really care if the world is interconnected or not. Parts of Bloodborne were connected and other parts weren't and that game is nearly flawless, in my opinion.
DieNgamers
Member
I think that's probably true. The connections reveal themselves a little later...It's the beginning of the game, still.
Edit: what is this? I Haven't seen that pic before. Is it concept art or actually ingame?
(spoiler)
LegendofLex
Member
Firelink = Hunter's Dream
Other areas = ???
We don't actually know how isolated the other areas are from each other because we haven't played the game yet. But Firelink being segregated from the rest of the world would, indeed, be just like Bloodborne.
And, truthfully, using a cutscene to transition between areas isn't all that different from, say, conveniently placed elevators.
JudgmentJay
Member
You are wrong. It sounds nothing like Demon's Souls.
lifa-cobex
Member
DoubleTake
Member
We already know the structure is more like BB, with a set path in the beginning. What weve seen so far is that I presume. No doubt there will be later connections/secret optional areas.
People need to get off the thirst for a Ds1 level of connectivity though. That seems to be a one-time thing for From and it was done brilliantly. So long as levels aren't completely separate like Demon's or we get to completely differing places via long tunnel/elevator to the sky all will be well.
On the subject of interconnecting level design, Bloodborne had the most logical shifts in location, the Nightmare Realms, Hunters Dream, and the expansion area being isolated locations was logically consistent with the way the world worked, it's aggressive shifts in location were appropriate, Bloodborne also had fantastic shortcut design, which is for me what sells clever world design better than sheer scope does. DS2 isn't poor in this regard because of massive visual shifts, it's because those shifts often made little sense. I'm very comfortable with an isolated hub and other isolated locations, as long as it's well executed and justified.
One more thing, after watching Vaati's video, I'm much more sold on the art direction, I really liked Bloodbornes focused visual palette and design ethic, although I know a lot of people were upset by a lack of variety -- I'm worried those people might be once more disappointed, however I won't worry to much, I don't count myself among them.
One more thing, after watching Vaati's video, I'm much more sold on the art direction, I really liked Bloodbornes focused visual palette and design ethic, although I know a lot of people were upset by a lack of variety -- I'm worried those people might be once more disappointed, however I won't worry to much, I don't count myself among them.
JudgmentJay
Member
It doesn't sound anything like that either...
lifa-cobex
Member
Yeah, people expecting Dark 1 levels of interconnected world will definitely be disappointed, no matter what, even if I'm statisfied. We know for sure it's not like that.
It's supposed to be more like Bloodborne, separate HUB, connected world, more linear path, with the non linearity given in the way of optional areas, rather than different orders you can do the main content.
But that's exactly what the dude was saying. He played for 5 hours and not a single area connected to another without a cutscene/warp. That's the worrying part, not Firelink being isolated.
JudgmentJay
Member
I'm pretty someone just copy/pasted the DS1 character creation music on top of that video. If you watch any of the footage captured from people at the event, the music is very different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAlnWFjSwKs&t=2m
If you're referring to the afillari videos they replaced the entire audio track with music from the previous games, so I wouldn't worry about it.
lifa-cobex
Member
Ahh. I'm on blackout for most of the information. I thought just taking a peek at the character creation vid wouldn't hurt.
I'll take your word for it.
Just remembered, don't know if any of the vids show this, but High wall of Lothric definitely isn't connected to the Undead Settlement, you
More jarring was
get carried there by the Anor Lando white demons, they're back. You can glimpse them in the latest trailer as well I believe
More jarring was
Firelink Shrine being relatively closed off (as far as I know). I wish I could've walked to the high wall instead of warping there.
DoubleTake
Member
Does he specify exactly how many areas he got to or their names?
So far I've only seen 2 different areas and both were accessed through warp/cutscene, but the areas themselves were huge.
What comes after the
Undead Settlement
That reminds me, I should probably, finally beat Demon's Souls, I think I've started that game more times than any other I've played, gotten up to the final boss -- and made it no further, I think today's the day.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Don't think that was in the demo. You're at the bottom of that hole after
you kill the big tree boss, and you gotta use the bonfire to teleport out of there.
It's the
forest level
from last October:
http://images.gamersyde.com/image_dark_souls_iii-29930-3267_0001.jpg
http://images.gamersyde.com/image_dark_souls_iii-29930-3267_0007.jpg
most recent:
http://images.gamersyde.com/image_dark_souls_iii-31034-3267_0006.jpg
e: there's also this piece of concept art from The Know leak that may be related, maybe representing somewhere deeper in the forest/a connected swampy area
FTFY
Newtype-001
Member
Reminds me of the Edge preview of Bloodborne where they said they found like 6 weapons in 40hours and everyone started freaking out. Need more infoo
A good way to look at it is just as every game having something special to them, to keep you coming back.
There's no game in the series so far that I no longer have a desire to play because they're outdated, and that's fantastic.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
OMG this looks so good.
No other series makes me feel like my teen hyped up self like this one.
The graphics, the ambientation, that (weapon spoiler)
, the music...
I'M ALMOST CRYING. FUCK UNCHARTED 4, FUCK EVERY OTHER GAME! THE GOAT IS HERE.
No other series makes me feel like my teen hyped up self like this one.
The graphics, the ambientation, that (weapon spoiler)
badass Uchi moveset
I'M ALMOST CRYING. FUCK UNCHARTED 4, FUCK EVERY OTHER GAME! THE GOAT IS HERE.
JudgmentJay
Member
I caved and watched the beginning of Lobos' video. My hype level is now through the roof.
Yup, no interconnected world is very disappointed but not a deal breaker as long as the other areas have great design as well.
Cainhurst level design was jaw dropping.
Jugendstil
Member
I watched Vaati's video and the game looks SO GOOD. It's going to be a long wait till April 12.
Alcoholikaust
Member
If anyone is thirsty for PC footage PCGamer will be showing the game on March 5th
PC is the lead this time around- *runs away*
PC is the lead this time around- *runs away*
Relaxed Muscle
Member
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Guess this is the closest we'll ever get to 60 fps Bloodborne. I'm hyped.
comshoplesce
Member
That's not so true; DS1 had its share of conveniently placed elevators and cutscenes, but the important part was that you could see from one area to the next. The parts that feel less connected are precisely those with the cutscenes. But not all cutscenes are equal.
New Londo was somewhat visible from Firelink Shrine, and was connected with an elevator, as was Blighttown (connected with stairs), and you could see Anor Londo from the Undead Burg areas (which were connected with a cutscene), etc etc. You cannot see the Asylum from anywhere. Almost every other DS1 area was largely connected and/or visible from the rest. DS1 makes you feel like Anor Londo is connected to the Undead Burg, even if they could be in a different continent for all that matters gameplay wise. On the other hand, the Asylum could easily be anywhere. We don't know.
Bloodborne is also very connected, although it has areas that need a cutscene/teleport, like the nightmares or Cainhurst. IMHO the main problem with Bloodborne in this aspect, was that Yharnam is not as logically done as Lordran, partially cause it lacks central landmarks to look at, partially because Lordran is distributed mostly vertically, while Yhardram is more hazaphardly done. The elevators in Yharnam aren't that bad, really, they are not the problem with Yharnam.
DS2's Drangleic is a larger region, not just a city, and thus is less connected; IMHO it would have been greatly helped if Drangleic castle was visible from almost everywhere somehow. DS2 has its good share of elevators and cutscenes to go from area to area, but some of the elevators work well, like Aldia to Dragon Aerie.
An elevator is a less elegant solution, but it still beats a cutscene, if you can see where the elevator leads; this is one of the main problems with DS2, and the main part where it works as supposed to, is in the transition from Aldia's Mansion to the Dragon Aerie; in other places the results are far less elegant.
I think DS1 was better designed as a result from not giving you teleportation from the start. Any Souls game that gives you teleportation from the very start will see the designers go lazier in the interconnection. In fact, even in DS1 it is super clear that, the moment the game gives you the Lordvessel, it is the very moment where level design falls off a cliff and dies (well, with the exception of Duke's...and the lesser exception of New Londo). It is also why Bloodborne's Yharnam works less well than Lordran, even ignoring the non-connected areas like Cainhurst or the Nightmares.
use flask
Horse.
This might be one of the very few times someone apologises for the attidude, congrats, and glad to have you on the hype train.
*Presses / to revive*
Relaxed Muscle
Member
This.Since it's gonna be the last Dark Souls game we'll be having for quite a while,I want it to achieve high amounts of replayability so i can play it easily after 2-3 years and don't mind a thing
Aces&Eights
Member
So for someone who had never imported a game, can someone tell me the easiest way to do it? Also, if I import it, can I still an English version? Can I do it digitally on ps4?