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David Jaffe: Herman Hulst pushed for playstation's Japan Studios closure.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Not sure I believe any of this but if true, big kudos for PS studios for being against GaaS. I need more of the good stuff from them (not GaaS)
1, get high
2, boot up Spiderman 2
3, have a blast
4, repeat
1, get high
2, boot up Spiderman 2
3, have a blast
4, repeat
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Easy clickbait
People that live outside the building acting like they are there everyday.
People that live outside the building acting like they are there everyday.
Cert.in.Death
Member
No mercy HH
For the Helghast
For the Helghast
mansoor1980
Gold Member
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
But if only type of game are allowed to be made are the ones make big bucks then gaming industry would boring as fuck.
Developers like Vanillaware will never make big numbers but I want them continue exist because I love their games.
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LordCBH
Member
Look I was disappointed when they closed it down, but Japan Studio hasn’t pulled its weight in at least a decade. Do they need to actually re-invest into building up Japanese titles? Absolutely. I think it’s a big mistake to only rely on third parties to fill the Japanese side of your schedule, but I also can’t blame them for shuttering Japan studio.
graywolf323
Member
it might be time to stop threads from things Jaffe says because to say it was about ALL Japanese studios? that’s just so ridiculous given they have Polyphony & Team Asobi neither of which this would make any sense about
Unknown?
Member
True but no one said this was going to result in all games being GAAS.
Not all GAAS are bad though, like GT7.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ever since Jim took over, the leadership has been making everything as European centric as possible.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
FTFY
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I dont care if GAAS games exist, like sports games I can simply ignore them but as long as they stay the fuck away from my SP games.
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underrated advice, can confirm this is the best course of action.
GHG
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
what studios?
balls of snow
Member
Was Shawn Layden pushed out or did he just quit per the video it was not clear.
The pushback on gaas is expected, you dont go 90 + meta and endless goty noms to...making a factory assembly line mp game.
The pushback on gaas is expected, you dont go 90 + meta and endless goty noms to...making a factory assembly line mp game.
EDMIX
Member
Tis only logical.
I love the studio too, but shit you need to fucking actually make a damn profit. They can't have titles in development for almost 10 years only to then barely move enough units to cover another title. The amount of chances that team got is wild and they would have been closed down a long time ago at any other publisher.
This is still a business folks...
yea and their games don't go on 10 years development with a massive budget either.
No one is even saying they are not allowed to make different games, they do that all the time with PSVR, Astrobot, Dreams etc, buuuuuuut those make them fucking money, thus exist.
This has nothing to do with feelings man.
It must still make sense as a business in order for teams like that to exist. They were not closed down for lolz or something, clearly too much money was put into projects that profited very little to the point of those teams being alive for charity at some point, to go several generations like that is wild cause under any other publisher, they would be gone within the first few titles of doing this shit, not multiple generations.
I love the studio too, but shit you need to fucking actually make a damn profit. They can't have titles in development for almost 10 years only to then barely move enough units to cover another title. The amount of chances that team got is wild and they would have been closed down a long time ago at any other publisher.
This is still a business folks...
yea and their games don't go on 10 years development with a massive budget either.
No one is even saying they are not allowed to make different games, they do that all the time with PSVR, Astrobot, Dreams etc, buuuuuuut those make them fucking money, thus exist.
This has nothing to do with feelings man.
It must still make sense as a business in order for teams like that to exist. They were not closed down for lolz or something, clearly too much money was put into projects that profited very little to the point of those teams being alive for charity at some point, to go several generations like that is wild cause under any other publisher, they would be gone within the first few titles of doing this shit, not multiple generations.
nial
Gold Member
Polyphony Digital - Wikipedia
Team Asobi - Wikipedia
But we want those clicks, right?
Draugoth
Gold Member
Polyphony Digital - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
And of course, there is XDEV Japan, which is in charge of collaborating with external studios to make games like bolded.Team Asobi - Wikipedia
But we want those clicks, right?
Bloodborne being stuck at 30fps hurts me to this day
Angelcurio
Member
And yet you need variety to bring new players to the platform. Without Japan Studios we wouldn't have games like Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Wild Arms, Gravity Rush, Locoroco, Patapon, etc. Now look at all the awesome 1st party japanese games we have received after Hust was put in charge
bitbydeath
Member
Everyone shits on Knack but at the same time forgets this was from Japan Studios when cheering for them. 
LectureMaster
Member
Vanillaware exists because those folks have true genuine passion and enthusiasm to make their work fun, touching, and profound. They truly cherish what they are outputting.
Western gaming industries mostly are just business, they are just gonna output something that can profit, plus putting some politically correct shit to increase their ESG score.
Danjin44
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There is no need for them to go big budget, I dont want them to......interesting AA games is more than enough for me.
Remember this game? This type of game I want to see comeback from Sony's first party games.
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ulantan
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Yeah but those games stay on budget japan studios never did.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
That is the kind of thinking that create wannabe World of Warcraft Killers. If all you think about is copying what's hot, you die. Penny counters don't make fun games, formulas don't make fun games. Games have to be FUN, and if you don't care about fun then get the fuck out.
digoutyoursoul
Member
He is, in the car park
bender
What time is it?
Or their sales targets are more modest and the operate within those constraints which is how I wish Sony would have handled Japan Studio. Not everything needs to be AAA . It would allow them to put out more titles quickly, at varying price points, and with more varied design approaches. It would also have the side benefit of one failed project not crippling the studio.
I also understand the argument about Japan Studio's recent struggles, but it isn't like Sony hasn't carried dead weight for long stretches of time. For as much as I respect them, and this isn't me wanted them shuttered, Media Molecule exists. Hell, Herman Hulst had a meteoric ascension within PlayStation and Guerilla didn't find a smashing success until Horizon. There is an ebb and flow to the industry, look at how disappointing ND has been this generation when they've largely carried the brand in the PS3/PS4 era. Insomniac the Inverse as they were largely left for dead at the end of the PS3 era and into the beginning of the PS4 era. Respect to Santa Monica's consistency throughout the years though.
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
I don't think it's fair to say Jaffe is always angry. Where does this come from?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
And yet you need variety to bring new players to the platform. Without Japan Studios we wouldn't have games like Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Wild Arms, Gravity Rush, Locoroco, Patapon, etc. Now look at all the awesome 1st party japanese games we have received after Hust was put in charge
A variety that leads to success is far superior to a variety that leads to failure.
The games you listed didn't lead to growth. They led to studio closures.
The 12 GAAS projects are an attempt to lead to growth and are much safer bets than another Team ICO project.
Topher
Gold Member
And yet you need variety to bring new players to the platform. Without Japan Studios we wouldn't have games like Ico, Shadow of Colossus, Wild Arms, Gravity Rush, Locoroco, Patapon, etc. Now look at all the awesome 1st party japanese games we have received after Hust was put in charge
Yeah, I agree. Those are the type of games that helped build the culture that is PlayStation.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
Good thing xbox has that super rich daddy covering their fuckups then.
bender
What time is it?
LectureMaster
Member
Very well said! Look at the PS Plus Premium catalog, I am amazed by the striking diversity of the first party games in PS1/2 era!
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
That would lead Sony first party to become absolute shit....why would anyone want that?
TheGodfather07
Member
This is super sad and disrespectful. I am outraged. I must go onto X and tell everyone how mad I am.
nial
Gold Member
I mentioned this a few days ago, but it's really more about how SIE operates with its subsidiaries and divisions, being much harsher on the latter. For example, Santa Monica Studio almost closed down after GOW Ascension ended up being a flop, but the big difference is that they got back on track and were MUCH more successful afterwards.
My personal view is that they looked at the critical performance of Gravity Rush 2 and Knack 2 compared to Astro Bot Rescue Mission and Astro's Playroom, and ultimately decided to restructure the entire studio to focus on ASOBI Team.
ulantan
Member
Because you only need one good one
bender
What time is it?
And the industry is littered with a mass grave of failures chasing this dream. And if you look at Fortnite, one the largest success stories in the space, it's path to success is almost by accident. Maybe they'll got lucky and hit, but the odds are way worse than one in twelve.
nial
Gold Member
I can understand a lot of people's frustration over the matter, especially with the departure of some people from Japan Studio's (informal) teams that were dedicated to a single series, like Gravity Rush. But at some point, you have to look at their output over 14 years and ask yourself, "what are they even doing with this studio?"
My take on all of this is that the formation of Team Asobi is proof that they actually CARE about their internal Japanese operations, rather than letting them continue to rot for generations to come.
Because in all honesty, without Toyama and Ueda, all you'd get on PS5 are more Knack games (and I don't even dislike Knack).
My take on all of this is that the formation of Team Asobi is proof that they actually CARE about their internal Japanese operations, rather than letting them continue to rot for generations to come.
Because in all honesty, without Toyama and Ueda, all you'd get on PS5 are more Knack games (and I don't even dislike Knack).
Physiognomonics
Member
Don't worry, that's the final plan.
EDMIX
Member
There is no need for them to go big budget, I dont want them to......interesting AA games is more than enough for me.
Remember this game? This type I wan to see comeback from Sony's first party games.
Those type of games still exist and are still being made, Team Asboi literally is hiring more.
Sony growing Astro's PlayRoom developer Team Asobi
Sony is growing Team Asobi, the developer of the wonderful PlayStation 5 pack-in game Astro's PlayRoom.In a post on the…
www.eurogamer.net
For what they were doing with The Last Guardian, they felt they needed the budget, had development hell and it just didn't pay off for the developer, why blame everyone else for the choice of the team? Most publishers would have cancelled a game taking that long and taking up that much resources and its even more shocking they were not closed down soon after its release, but continued to make games.
ulantan
Member
True but worth a shot
bender
What time is it?
Far fewer of those games are being made. ClapHanz was a reliable partner that could work with a modest budget and got sent to the shadow realm.