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I agree. I think TVs will have something that will output games and Nintendo, MS, and Sony will just make games and accessories.
Thanks David, good to know that within 10 years everyone will have high speed internet with which to stream all these games.
I would be weird if Sega outlived both Nintendo and Sony thanks to them being able to get out of console manufacturing and not doubling down.
So what is it going to be replaced by? Wifi TV Cloud gaming?
In that case all the competitive gaming will move back to PC because of the pings?
It's funny how many people think we're going to be streaming EVERYTHING in the next 10 years. As if the Internet for the entire planet is suddenly going to be 10 times better in a decade.
With Wii @ 90+ Mil sales PS3 & 360 @ 70+, it's kinda hard to swallow
it's not like the Sega & Nintendo era where it was only at 30/40mil, Consoles sales haven't declined in the last decade, they've increased
So those people aren't gonna just stop buying Consoles.
or is this one of those stupid iPAD is gonna take over things?
It is just an Apple thing. So many tech heads assume that Apple will control and run everything and that everything they do is the best.
I'm still not convinced that dedicated handheld gaming is dead, like so many of Gaf say these days.
Eventually, video games will go the way of the board game. Everyone owns these 20 or so games...and that's about it. We'll be hopelessly addicted to the next thing that kids can't stop playing with. But if not, things are going to be getting quite cozy very soon for gaming on all spectrums, and not the good cozy. Companies and technologies are going to be butting against themselves and violently.
And people saying this and that about consoles and then saying pc gaming is forever are completely short-sighted and aren't even paying any attention to their beloved weapon-of-choice right now, as we speak. When the other functions of a pc become more and more underutilized, so does your pc as a gaming device. The Ipad and its ilk "threatens" pc gaming as much as it threatens Nintendo because they're both being squeezed like middle-men in between two fattening, homogenizing giants: The Giant of the Mega-Accessible Be-all-End-All (the mega-cheap, mega-functional, does-it-all device of the future) and the Giant of the Do-Everthing Entertainment Hub (like the TV of the future that Jaffe mentioned). A 2 tech future. No console. No PC. Nothing much. Everything else gone the way of the pager.
These two pretty much inevitable giants will bring (and are already bringing) all the elders of gaming together into one corner of the room. One desperate corner. Be it MS, Sony, Nintendo and PC, cell phone companies, even Apple if they were to lose control of their experiment. A giant bloodbath. Just look at Windows 8. Their intent, to me at least, is about as transparent as it gets.
The fight for the living room will become the fight for everywhere. That includes your office, bedroom, outside, etc. And when one consolidates, there's less space to spread out and make a space for yourself as a company. Things are going to have to move and not willfully I'd imagine.
The thing is, we've seen a shift this generation. It used to be a console would appeal to everyone from core to casual. Casuals are shifting away from that and moving towards other sources such as iOS, and social games. Because there are other avenues now, these people no longer need a dedicated console to play some games. The result of that is a shrinking dedicated console base moving forward. With rising costs and a shrinking base, that spells for disaster.
If this were true OnLive would've taken off a lot stronger than it did.
And if the hardware exists anyway, why not just have it at your house than pay a subscription to rent a console somewhere else? You have to rely on internet and the service being up 100% for it to work, I can't imagine it in the world we live in. I can't see internet providers being OK with that when they're already shitting their pants over netflix.
Imagine what retailers would have said 10 years ago if you said they'd be selling a 40" flat screen HDTV for under $300.And imagine what ISPs would say if they had to support broadband usage of Netflix users, PS5, and Xbox 4 gamers streaming games all at the same time in the same house.
Eventually, video games will go the way of the board game. Everyone owns these 20 or so games...and that's about it. We'll be hopelessly addicted to the next thing that kids can't stop playing with. But if not, things are going to be getting quite cozy very soon for gaming on all spectrums, and not the good cozy. Companies and technologies are going to be butting against themselves and violently.
And people saying this and that about consoles and then saying pc gaming is forever are completely short-sighted and aren't even paying any attention to their beloved weapon-of-choice right now, as we speak. When the other functions of a pc become more and more underutilized, so does your pc as a gaming device. The Ipad and its ilk "threatens" pc gaming as much as it threatens Nintendo because they're both being squeezed like middle-men in between two fattening, homogenizing giants: The Giant of the Mega-Accessible Be-all-End-All (the mega-cheap, mega-functional, does-it-all device of the future) and the Giant of the Do-Everthing Entertainment Hub (like the TV of the future that Jaffe mentioned). A 2 tech future. No console. No PC. Nothing much. Everything else gone the way of the pager.
These two pretty much inevitable giants will bring (and are already bringing) all the elders of gaming together into one corner of the room. One desperate corner. Be it MS, Sony, Nintendo and PC, cell phone companies, even Apple if they were to lose control of their experiment. A giant bloodbath. Just look at Windows 8. Their intent, to me at least, is about as transparent as it gets.
The fight for the living room will become the fight for everywhere. That includes your office, bedroom, outside, etc. And when one consolidates, there's less space to spread out and make a space for yourself as a company. Things are going to have to move and not willfully I'd imagine.
My Internet doesn't even stream Netflix in HD consistently, no fucking way am I going to be streaming a playable video game.
Imagine what retailers would have said 10 years ago if you said they'd be selling a 40" flat screen HDTV for under $300.
Imagine what PC makers would say if you told them included hard drives would be in the range of multiple terabytes now.
Imagine what anyone would say if you told them Apple would sell 365 million of anything. And that most of these items would be phones.
Christ man, 10 years ago, a 256MB SD card was cutting edge shit and cost $200. Now you can pick up an 8GB SD card for pocket change.
10 years is a goddamn eon in the tech sector. Mountains form, seas dry up, entire continents shift.
Man leaves industry, makes browser shit, predicts console death.
Sounds legit.
Console sales are out of this roof and here we have Jaffe calling for their demise.
Don't you think the industry's over reliance on AAA gaming budgets has done this to itself.Are we ignoring how many developers have fallen in the last few years? How many publishers? How the mid tier gaming market has collapsed? How sales have been down the last two years?
Don't you think the industry's over reliance on AAA gaming budgets has done this to itself.
I agree completely with this, although I will say the board game industry has definitely been disrupted recently with amazingly designed Euros like Dominion and Ticket to Ride. Not sure why Hasbro has been caught out and not bought them all out yet. I'm sure it's just a matter of time.Eventually, video games will go the way of the board game. Everyone owns these 20 or so games...and that's about it. We'll be hopelessly addicted to the next thing that kids can't stop playing with. But if not, things are going to be getting quite cozy very soon for gaming on all spectrums, and not the good cozy. Companies and technologies are going to be butting against themselves and violently.
And people saying this and that about consoles and then saying pc gaming is forever are completely short-sighted and aren't even paying any attention to their beloved weapon-of-choice right now, as we speak. When the other functions of a pc become more and more underutilized, so does your pc as a gaming device. The Ipad and its ilk "threatens" pc gaming as much as it threatens Nintendo because they're both being squeezed like middle-men in between two fattening, homogenizing giants: The Giant of the Mega-Accessible Be-all-End-All (the mega-cheap, mega-functional, does-it-all device of the future) and the Giant of the Do-Everthing Entertainment Hub (like the TV of the future that Jaffe mentioned). A 2 tech future. No console. No PC. Nothing much. Everything else gone the way of the pager.
These two pretty much inevitable giants will bring (and are already bringing) all the elders of gaming together into one corner of the room. One desperate corner. Be it MS, Sony, Nintendo and PC, cell phone companies, even Apple if they were to lose control of their experiment. A giant bloodbath. Just look at Windows 8. Their intent, to me at least, is about as transparent as it gets.
The fight for the living room will become the fight for everywhere. That includes your office, bedroom, outside, etc. And when one consolidates, there's less space to spread out and make a space for yourself as a company. Things are going to have to move and not willfully I'd imagine.
How many consoles sold this generation? Over 200 million?
Yeah, quite a bit more than any gen before it. So, obviously, consoles will be dead in 10 years.
David Jaffe talks bullshit and knows nothing.
People said the same bull crap about arcades.
Man leaves industry, makes browser shit, predicts console death.
Sounds legit.
Shig, serious getting HDTV and HDD prices lower is ALOT different that building a world broadband infrastructure that can cost a little amount of money for the consumer, while the ISPs making millions building and supporting it.
The serious truth is only governments can spend the amount of money to build an infrastructure that's needed for streaming only consoles in 2020.
Man I love Jaffe, but seriously this is what it comes to. Dude has to sorta shit on the theory of consoles for his personal gain. I'm not trying to say that Jaffe is lying about his true feelings, but lets be real here. Console sales are out of this roof and here we have Jaffe calling for their demise.
Dude- ya'll are so fucking knee-jerky. I'm not 'calling' for ANYTHING. I don't CARE if consoles live or die. I really don't care one way or another. They are HARDWARE- what the fuck do I care what I run my games on?!?
Yes, my NEXT game is a browser game (probably, if we can get it running in a browser...if it ends up being too ambitious for that, it'll be a game you download first). But damn, stop seeing conspiracy everywhere. Man, the work I do may or may not be your cup of tea, but haven't I earned enough credit in the damn bank that ya'll know I'm not going to say something I don't think is true? I mean, do you really think that I think what I say to a web site is going to make folks stop buying consoles and so that will benefit me and my next-game plans?
Plus, I may even come BACK to make a console game one day (assuming they are still around).
I don't hate consoles and don't want them to go away. Read the article- guy presses me for my prediction and I say 'I am terrible at predictions and I'm wrong about all of this stuff but this is what I think based on what I've been seeing around the industry'. If that sounds like I'm calling for the demise of the console, I dunno what to tell you sir, other than please try to read the article you are commenting on before you comment on it? Please?!? Just for me?!?
David
People dont read your point but prefer to post nonsense. I agree that the dedicated box is going away. Theres no more use for it. Go to Best Buy and see the 'smart' TVs. Those will be our future video game 'consoles'. Same with the tablets, phones. Doesnt mean games like God of War, Halo, Mario, Zelda, and Uncharted are leaving, just the hardware we will be playing them from will be different. Unfortunately, many on GAF and elsewhere are terrified pf change.Dude- ya'll are so fucking knee-jerky. I'm not 'calling' for ANYTHING. I don't CARE if consoles live or die. I really don't care one way or another. They are HARDWARE- what the fuck do I care what I run my games on?!?
Yes, my NEXT game is a browser game (probably, if we can get it running in a browser...if it ends up being too ambitious for that, it'll be a game you download first). But damn, stop seeing conspiracy everywhere. Man, the work I do may or may not be your cup of tea, but haven't I earned enough credit in the damn bank that ya'll know I'm not going to say something I don't think is true? I mean, do you really think that I think what I say to a web site is going to make folks stop buying consoles and so that will benefit me and my next-game plans?
Plus, I may even come BACK to make a console game one day (assuming they are still around).
I don't hate consoles and don't want them to go away. Read the article- guy presses me for my prediction and I say 'I am terrible at predictions and I'm wrong about all of this stuff but this is what I think based on what I've been seeing around the industry'. If that sounds like I'm calling for the demise of the console, I dunno what to tell you sir, other than please try to read the article you are commenting on before you comment on it? Please?!? Just for me?!?
David
People dont read your point but prefer to post nonsense. I agree that the dedicated box is going away. Theres no more use for it. Go to Best Buy and see the 'smart' TVs. Those will be our future video game 'consoles'. Same with the tablets, phones. Doesnt mean games like God of War, Halo, Mario, Zelda, and Uncharted are leaving, just the hardware we will be playing them from will be different. Unfortunately, many on GAF and elsewhere are terrified pf change.
A PC isn't a particular form factor or anything, even tablets might technically be called PCs. Traditional PC gaming only cares about two things- the platform being open (and there are open tablets) and having a keyboard/mouse available. Even that isn't set, at one point joysticks were standard PC gaming equipment too.Eventually, video games will go the way of the board game. Everyone owns these 20 or so games...and that's about it. We'll be hopelessly addicted to the next thing that kids can't stop playing with. But if not, things are going to be getting quite cozy very soon for gaming on all spectrums, and not the good cozy. Companies and technologies are going to be butting against themselves and violently.
And people saying this and that about consoles and then saying pc gaming is forever are completely short-sighted and aren't even paying any attention to their beloved weapon-of-choice right now, as we speak. When the other functions of a pc become more and more underutilized, so does your pc as a gaming device. The Ipad and its ilk "threatens" pc gaming as much as it threatens Nintendo because they're both being squeezed like middle-men in between two fattening, homogenizing giants: The Giant of the Mega-Accessible Be-all-End-All (the mega-cheap, mega-functional, does-it-all device of the future) and the Giant of the Do-Everthing Entertainment Hub (like the TV of the future that Jaffe mentioned). A 2 tech future. No console. No PC. Nothing much. Everything else gone the way of the pager.
These two pretty much inevitable giants will bring (and are already bringing) all the elders of gaming together into one corner of the room. One desperate corner. Be it MS, Sony, Nintendo and PC, cell phone companies, even Apple if they were to lose control of their experiment. A giant bloodbath. Just look at Windows 8. Their intent, to me at least, is about as transparent as it gets.
The fight for the living room will become the fight for everywhere. That includes your office, bedroom, outside, etc. And when one consolidates, there's less space to spread out and make a space for yourself as a company. Things are going to have to move and not willfully I'd imagine.
A 2 tech future for entertainment. The PC has always been primarily a work device.A 2 tech future.
come back and make another twisted metal bruh
People dont read your point but prefer to post nonsense. I agree that the dedicated box is going away. Theres no more use for it. Go to Best Buy and see the 'smart' TVs. Those will be our future video game 'consoles'. Same with the tablets, phones. Doesnt mean games like God of War, Halo, Mario, Zelda, and Uncharted are leaving, just the hardware we will be playing them from will be different. Unfortunately, many on GAF and elsewhere are terrified pf change.
No way that's gonna happen. TVs thatll stream games? Come on. How many people upgrade their TV regularly like they do consoles? No one i know of. It might evolve more into a hybrid of a PC and a console combined though. By that i mean kind of like windows launching a windows 8 machine instead of an OS and a console separately. Kinda like mac do now and you'll put it next to your TV and itll be small and pretty. The console and PC spaces are very different now, but i think youll see them "combine" more and more as time goes on. This will blur the line completely. Where as now, a pc is in the office and the console is in the living room, soon both will be combined and it wont matter where you have it. But there will still be a "console" per say. I also expect Sony and maybe even MS to partner up with someone else to do it.
People dont read your point but prefer to post nonsense. I agree that the dedicated box is going away. Theres no more use for it. Go to Best Buy and see the 'smart' TVs. Those will be our future video game 'consoles'. Same with the tablets, phones. Doesnt mean games like God of War, Halo, Mario, Zelda, and Uncharted are leaving, just the hardware we will be playing them from will be different. Unfortunately, many on GAF and elsewhere are terrified pf change.
LOL at pc.
Maybe the hardcore but I'm starting to regret my pc that i built a few years ago for gaming.
I took down my computer desk. moved the pc to next to the tv. Its just really an itunes server now, with some gaming. Some people are married to their xbl achievements, I'm married to my trophies and PS games. I even prefer hulu plus/netflix/amazon video on my ps3 over my pc.
What would I do for everything else?(surfing, forums etc).
iPad on a stand with a bluetooth keyboard.
Post PC world baby
Are we ignoring how many developers have fallen in the last few years? How many publishers? How the mid tier gaming market has collapsed? How sales have been down the last two years?
Dude- ya'll are so fucking knee-jerky. I'm not 'calling' for ANYTHING. I don't CARE if consoles live or die. I really don't care one way or another. They are HARDWARE- what the fuck do I care what I run my games on?!?
Yes, my NEXT game is a browser game (probably, if we can get it running in a browser...if it ends up being too ambitious for that, it'll be a game you download first). But damn, stop seeing conspiracy everywhere. Man, the work I do may or may not be your cup of tea, but haven't I earned enough credit in the damn bank that ya'll know I'm not going to say something I don't think is true? I mean, do you really think that I think what I say to a web site is going to make folks stop buying consoles and so that will benefit me and my next-game plans?
David
People dont read your point but prefer to post nonsense. I agree that the dedicated box is going away. Theres no more use for it. Go to Best Buy and see the 'smart' TVs. Those will be our future video game 'consoles'. Same with the tablets, phones. Doesnt mean games like God of War, Halo, Mario, Zelda, and Uncharted are leaving, just the hardware we will be playing them from will be different. Unfortunately, many on GAF and elsewhere are terrified pf change.
Dude- ya'll are so fucking knee-jerky. I'm not 'calling' for ANYTHING. I don't CARE if consoles live or die. I really don't care one way or another. They are HARDWARE- what the fuck do I care what I run my games on?!?
Yes, my NEXT game is a browser game (probably, if we can get it running in a browser...if it ends up being too ambitious for that, it'll be a game you download first). But damn, stop seeing conspiracy everywhere. Man, the work I do may or may not be your cup of tea, but haven't I earned enough credit in the damn bank that ya'll know I'm not going to say something I don't think is true? I mean, do you really think that I think what I say to a web site is going to make folks stop buying consoles and so that will benefit me and my next-game plans?
Plus, I may even come BACK to make a console game one day (assuming they are still around).
I don't hate consoles and don't want them to go away. Read the article- guy presses me for my prediction and I say 'I am terrible at predictions and I'm wrong about all of this stuff but this is what I think based on what I've been seeing around the industry'. If that sounds like I'm calling for the demise of the console, I dunno what to tell you sir, other than please try to read the article you are commenting on before you comment on it? Please?!? Just for me?!?
David