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[ultron87]

You don't really ever see the Superman beating Batman story written because it wouldn't be interesting. It'd just be Batman getting melted from heat vision from a mile away or slammed into pulp in about .5 seconds.

 

[G-Fex]

that and it's a popularity contest and Superman will never be half as popular as Batman.

 

[favouriteflavour]

I haven't followed comics in years, but I sorely miss Andy Kubert's art. I may have to dig up the Waid/Kubert run as that sounds like a fun romp.

He did an arc of Grant Morrisons Batman "Batman and Son", the Neil Gaiman Batman Two Parter "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader" and is working with Geoff Johns for a Flash Event this year. Guys been busy, and I really liked his morphing style on Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader.

 

[Pandaman]

superman wouldn't pulp batman from a mile away, even if he seriously wanted batman dead, that's just not his style. did superman prime fly around zapping people from a mile away?

batman on the other hand would just walk up to clark and stab him with a shard of kryptonite while supermans on the john.

 

[IrishNinja]

 

[Freshmaker]

superman wouldn't pulp batman from a mile away, even if he seriously wanted batman dead, that's just not his style. did superman prime fly around zapping people from a mile away?

batman on the other hand would just walk up to clark and stab him with a shard of kryptonite while supermans on the john.

You talk about Superman's style, but then claim Batman routinely assassinates people?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I haven't followed comics in years, but I sorely miss Andy Kubert's art. I may have to dig up the Waid/Kubert run as that sounds like a fun romp.

Kubert did "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader" last year. Sometimes I LOVE Andy Kubert's art to death, sometimes I am very meh on it. His work on KaZar was in the love category.

Definitely dig them up. Just fun lil romps. KaZar taking on The Rhino in NYC was fun.

 

[zlatko]

Both are fucking awesome.

I'm just sad that DC universe doesn't have Green Lantern as a mentor.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

damn, Tom Grummet and Doug Hazzlewood, an art team that could month in and month out bring in top quality art. and they could draw the perfect teenage superhero.

Oh yes, I agree. They excelled at the teen superheroes. Some artists are made for just a certain style of things. It is how I feel about Mark Bagley. He is made for Spider Man and the more normal proportioned heroes. His Hulk and whatnot just looked eh, but his Spider Man work was phenomenal. Same with Thunderbolts.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Technically, Kryptonite isn't a "just a snap" weakness for Supes nowadays.

Both are fucking awesome.

I'm just sad that DC universe doesn't have Green Lantern as a mentor.

Alan Scott?

 

[54-46!]

I'm a Marvel, the only DC character I really care for is Batman

Spoiler

Batman Batman Batman

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[Ezalc]

We should go back to the which one has hotter women discussion portion of this thread. We should also make sure to back up such posts with pictures.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Thor toasted him with a lightning bolt in Siege. Heh, his ass got served.

yah Daken's had his ass handed to him many a times, wolverine , sakar and punisher all beat his ass.

 

[krypt0nian]

Oh yes, I agree. They excelled at the teen superheroes. Some artists are made for just a certain style of things. It is how I feel about Mark Bagley. He is made for Spider Man and the more normal proportioned heroes. His Hulk and whatnot just looked eh, but his Spider Man work was phenomenal. Same with Thunderbolts.

And New Warriors....say it. SAY IT! <huff huff>

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Lobo is also immortal. Heaven decreeded that he was too much trouble to keep in either realm so they wrote a clause that says Lobo isn't accepted if he dies. if Lobo loses a limb, he grows it back. if Lobo "dies" (like his head cut off) and bleeds he can grow a clone from his blood. (previously that feeb Dox had poisoned Lobo's blood so he lost the ability but he got it back) Feetal'z gizz. how can any of you bastiches think that hockey puck has a chance against th' main man?

ok well if he got the blood clone ability back then...no one is beating him....he can go back to raping entire worlds by cutting himself.

 

[Fuzzy]

Just wanted to post something my mom found this weekend while putting Christmas decorations back in the attic.

This was the light shade in my bedroom when I was a kid. I asked her if she also found my Superman switch plate but she didn't see it. Hopefully that's still somewhere up there also.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Has this thread mentioned JLA/Avengers? It's one of the best crossover series because it respects BOTH sides unlike Marvel vs. DC.

 

[MC Safety]

Has this thread mentioned JLA/Avengers? It's one of the best crossover series because it respects BOTH sides unlike Marvel vs. DC.

Marvel vs. DC was a big crossover event sponsored by both companies and pored over by Marvel and DC editors alike. Obviously, everyone involved thought it was fair and respectful of both universes.

So. In what way was this crossover disrespectful to either side. Please be specific.

 

[Parallax]

Marvel vs. DC was a big crossover event sponsored by both companies and pored over by Marvel and DC editors alike. Obviously, everyone involved thought it was fair and respectful of both universes.

So. In what way was this crossover disrespectful to either side. Please be specific.

probably because marvel vs dc was fan votes for matches instead of an actual storyline unlike jla avengers, where the characters from both worlds intermingled and even had relationships with each other.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Re: Superman v/s Batman.




On paper, Superman is superior to Batman in every conceivable way. He's an alien god-man who's invincible and has been evidenced lifting a million pounds without significant stress.

HOWEVER, once you consider the character of each, the scales slide into more of an equilibrium. Superman's emotions preclude him from thinking in cold logic, which he would need in order to win against an opponent who knows and will exploit his every weakness.

As currently established in the lore, Batman will win more often than Superman in a story. However, this kind of depends on the writer. In the real world, Batman would be pulped in a fraction of a fraction of a second, sure. But this isn't the real world, and that'd hardly make for an interesting story anyhow, would it?

This is just modern dumbing down of the character; and let's be honest here - taking a piss on the conceit of "fairness" in funnybooks is good fun. e.g. Garth Ennis's Punisher (MK) run where Frank gets the drop on Daredevil, Punisher, and Spiderman.

You're so used to the conceit for fairness or the all to common "fight to a draw / team-up" bull crap; that it's really funny when Punisher parks a steam roller on Wolverine. Yes, he's unstoppable and has a crazy healing factor; but his strength isn't that high in terms of the MU.

If anything Superman needs a Frank Miller. Someone that comes along and writes the definitive Superman story that makes readers, and the publisher, re-think how they view the character. Many folks have tried; but none have really succeeded and Down Syndrome Superman (Morrisson/Quitely) is a better Lex book than a Superman book.

The bottom line is these writing tropes just feed into the non-comic reader pejorative that Superman is a boring character because he's unstoppable. No. If you've read any DC comic in the past 15 years you'd see how horribly they've de-powered him and how ridiculously abundant Kryptonite is.

 

[Penguin]

probably because marvel vs dc was fan votes for matches instead of an actual storyline unlike jla avengers, where the characters from both worlds intermingled and even had relationships with each other.

And eventually had a proper pay-off

I don't remember Marvel vs DC ending, just the creation of the mixed universe.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

And New Warriors....say it. SAY IT! <huff huff>

His New Warriors stuff wasn't bad, but he started to improve greatly once he took over Amazing Spider Man back in the early 90s.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/01/17/marvel-vs-capcom-3taskmaster-introduction-trailer

From the gaming side for Marvel vs. Capcom 3. But Motherfucking Taskmaster is going to be in the game! BOO YA! And it is interesting seeing all the people in the thread have no idea who the character is. But that is just badass!

 

[MC Safety]

probably because marvel vs dc was fan votes for matches instead of an actual storyline unlike jla avengers, where the characters from both worlds intermingled and even had relationships with each other.

I'm not sure how that was disrespectful to either universe, though.

The fans decided, and I'm sure each company "massaged" the results so there were no imbalances.

 

[Anticitizen One]

JLA/Avengers was boring as hell. DC vs. Marvel was fucking awsome im just disappointed that we never got a Superman vs. Spider-Man fight. Since I always viewed them as the "mascots" of their respected universes.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

JLA/Avengers was boring as hell. DC vs. Marvel was fucking awsome im just disappointed that we never got a Superman vs. Spider-Man fight. Since I always viewed them as the "mascots" of their respected universes.

 

[Xenon]

Marvel has Spiderman and the X-men so it's an easy decision for me.

Batman has some great stuff, especially the villains, but the rest of the DC's heavy hitters seem to be a bit corny.

 

[woodypop]

http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/01/17/marvel-vs-capcom-3taskmaster-introduction-trailer

From the gaming side for Marvel vs. Capcom 3. But Motherfucking Taskmaster is going to be in the game! BOO YA! And it is interesting seeing all the people in the thread have no idea who the character is. But that is just badass!

Yeah, totally digging Taskmaster's inclusion in MvC3.

I would love to see a Taskmaster vs. Deathstroke fight. Drawn by Perez, of course.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Yeah, totally digging Taskmaster's inclusion in MvC3.

I would love to see a Taskmaster vs. Deathstroke fight. Drawn by Perez, of course.

Taskmaster vs. Batman would be epic.

 

[krypt0nian]

His New Warriors stuff wasn't bad, but he started to improve greatly once he took over Amazing Spider Man back in the early 90s.

Oh I definitely agree, but there's something magickal in the NW stuff for me.

 

[Ephemeris]

If Deadshot can't kill Batman, what makes you think Punisher can?

The only other person possible that could do it maybe cause I don't know everything Marvel is Black Panther.

I can cosign this. Because Black Panther is the black Batman.

 

[G-Fex]

Of all the crossover, I'd thought I'd love transformers/avengers crossover and it ended up being a dissapointment.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

I can cosign this. Because Black Panther is the black Batman.

 

[G-Fex]

The Black Panther punks the fantastic four.

And he's got Storm? Panther's the man!

 

[BloodySinner]

Epic.

 

[Parallax]

The Black Panther punks the fantastic four.

And he's got Storm? Panther's the man!

pre and post hudlin panther is awesome. in between with hudlin is garbage. thats mostly why i love the way hes portrayed in emh than he is in his own series. the way he beat mephisto was amazing even as a kid

 

[Varna]

Can anyone explain to me how the whole... Earth 1, 2, Prime, etc work? I've always been curious why DC felt the need to have them mingle with each other. Seem like a much better idea just to reinvent the heroes every few decades or so unless you are coming to a definitive ending at some point.

 

[G-Fex]

Can anyone explain to me how the whole... Earth 1, 2, Prime, etc work? I've always been curious why DC felt the need to have them mingle with each other. Seem like a much better idea just to reinvent the heroes every few decades or so unless you are coming to a definitive ending at some point.

You know I don't even know anymore, the ending of infinite crisis still confused me. New Earth? WTF?

 

[Parallax]

Can anyone explain to me how the whole... Earth 1, 2, Prime, etc work? I've always been curious why DC felt the need to have them mingle with each other. Seem like a much better idea just to reinvent the heroes every few decades or so unless you are coming to a definitive ending at some point.

those reinventions are how the alternate earths came about. as for the interactions, its usually just major crossover related, as well as dealing with the bleed. i do find it odd that the only way the marvel multverse crosses over is through A.R.M.O.R, the exiles, or the zombieverse. i kinda wonder why?

 

[Spike Spiegel]

Can anyone explain to me how the whole... Earth 1, 2, Prime, etc work? I've always been curious why DC felt the need to have them mingle with each other. Seem like a much better idea just to reinvent the heroes every few decades or so unless you are coming to a definitive ending at some point.

-It all started here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_of_Two_Worlds
-It continued here: http://www.coverbrowser.com/covers/justice-league-of-america#i21
-Crossovers flourished. Old characters met new, characters from companies DC had bought out were brought in, time traveling heroes emerged, etc. etc.
-Things got out of hand, continuity errors were rampant. Did this adventure happen to "Golden" Superman, "Silver" Superman, Superboy or someone else?
-To fix the parallel Earths problem, DC came up with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths
-Things were mostly fixed; one Earth (a new one), one unified history, one playbook to work from.
-Emphasis on mostly, so DC followed up with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hour:_Crisis_in_Time
-Things still weren't 100% fixed, so DC later added this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertime
-Time passed, and new blood came into power at DC editorial.
-New blood liked the idea of parallel Earths.
-To bring back the Multiverse, DC came up with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Crisis and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/52_(comics)
-No longer infinite number of universes, just 52 variations existing in sync.
-Opening a can of worms, we got this next: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Crisis
-And now we're waiting on Multiversity to presumably map out the 52 existing universes that make up the DC multiverse.

 

[WillyFive]

Batman and Superman are two halves of the full whole.

An immovable force meeting an unstoppable object.

It's like the best buddy-cop characters ever.

 

[Varna]

Another thing I don't understand. Why doesn't Superman just go into Gotham and just fuck up all the villains?

Just a problem I notice when two very different kind of super heroes exist in the same world.

Thanks Spike Spiegel.

 

[crimzonflame]

This thread makes me miss reading comic books. I used to be a huge Marvel fan and only read Bat family DC titles. If only I didnt meet that one man on the bus I would will be reading them.

 

[G-Fex]

Another thing I don't understand. Why doesn't Superman just go into Gotham and just fuck up all the villains?

Just a problem I notice when two very different kind of super heroes exist in the same world.

Thanks Spike Spiegel.

I don't think Batman would like it if Superman came to Gotham and fought his villains. Batman didn't even like it when Spider-man showed up.

 

[Pandaman]

You talk about Superman's style, but then claim Batman routinely assassinates people?

routine, no.
but when batman had to kill someone, he shot him with little fuss.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

routine, no.
but when batman had to kill someone, he shot him with little fuss.

Darkseid is a different case altogether.

 

[Pandaman]

Darkseid is a different case altogether.

considering how often superman beats him, i'd think a rogue superman would warrant the same level of consideration.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

considering how often superman beats him, i'd think a rogue superman would warrant the same level of consideration.

The difference is that Bruce likes and respects Clark.

 

[Freshmaker]

I don't think Batman would like it if Superman came to Gotham and fought his villains. Batman didn't even like it when Spider-man showed up.

Batman didn't mind doing that himself when he briefly gained Superman's powers.

He also grew drunk with power and dismantled the JLA in a space battle before he came to his senses.

 

[woodypop]

That reminds me of when Robin gained the powers of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman to fight Frankenstein's monster (who also had the powers of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman).

Super Friends Meet Frankenstein.

Man, I thought that was SO cool as a kid!