One would think they'd have learned that from the PSN debacle, no?
If I was looking at the PSN hack, and looking at something like the FIFA hack, about the last lesson I'd take is "be up-front and accurate".
One would think they'd have learned that from the PSN debacle, no?
Wow, the ethics of some people are quite surprising. That anyone would openly defend Sony for stealing from their customers is just awful.
And you obviously cannot say that this doesn't concern a larger issue at some point; people letting companies rob and exploit their consumers with no repercussions.
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Wow, the ethics of some people are quite surprising. That anyone would openly defend Sony for stealing from their customers is just awful.
I don't think anyone's *defending* Sony, they're just stating that it's *lawful*. Two very different things.
(Regarding Alex Navarro: It looks like he's just talking in terms of making the *purchase*. I don't think anyone thinks Sony is wrong to pull the games from the *shop*. His writing doesn't look like he's aware of the *really* contentious issue)
Aren't NeoGaf posters supposed to be reasonable people, though? I haven't been posting here that long.
I don't think anyone's *defending* Sony, they're just stating that it's *lawful*. Two very different things.
Wow. I was expecting someone calling out Sony. But I found this charade. Gaming press is so depressing.
I've never heard of this guy but taking time to actually make fun of this rather than calling out Sony on it is as stupid as useless. Asshole.
Between that and his part in the media embarrassing themselves over the ME3 situation, I think it's clear that no one should ever take him seriously as a writer.
Hey, Alex Navarro at Giant Bomb wrote an article about this. Let's take a look!
Haha, what a comedian! It's hilarious when people buy things and then have them taken away without compensation.
Well that makes sense. No reason to expect a games journalists to be aware of the facts now, is there.
The industry pays their bills. You don't. Just keep that in mind when reading "game journalism" articles, reviews, etc. YOU are the product. You're the commodity.
The problem is that there is a false expectation that "games journalists" are consumer advocates. They're not. They're industry advocates. The industry pays their bills. You don't. Just keep that in mind when reading "game journalism" articles, reviews, etc. YOU are the product. You're the commodity. Do farmers care what their livestock think about their decisions?
Wait. "Wat". People are going to their site giving them hits for ads. People are paying for membership fees. People are participating in their referral programs. Under your logic, there wouldn't be negatively sensationalist headlines on the industry. What about people in here that are doing the same as "game journalists" but are also obviously consumers?
Whilst it's true that we are the product for gaming journalists its ridiculous to suggest it's not in their best interests to be consumer advocates. Unlike livestock, their customers can make the choice to leave and never come back. Games journalists might make their money due to the industry but they certainly aren't beholden to it. Without us they don't exist.
Not in the European Union it isn't.
Giving them hits for ads. Ad revenue paid to the sites by the industry. Your metrics, your information, your habits, your preferences. All of that relatively innocuous data that is collected and sold to advertisers is valuable.
I'm not sure about that, unless there's citations otherwise. I believe you're talking in terms of EULAs being not enforcable in the EU, which while it might be *true*, that only really applies to physical product. DD *has* to be defined as a service by its very nature (they are providing a download service); the software may still be regarded as a product, but the means of transfer is a service.Not in the European Union it isn't.
I don't think people particularly object to the *removal* as much as they do the fact that it's happened silently. If there's a guarantee that either the game will be reinstated in a fixed form or that they will be able to claim a refund, I doubt anyone would have anything like as big an issue.And any DD PC service will take out a game or app if it has a virus and they will repost it when it's fixed/cleaned.
Not sure why people keep saying it's not legal in the EU.
So if I buy something digitally in the EU, the place I bought it from has to keep the download available forever? They can never go down or take down the download for any reason ever? I really doubt that.
Man your whole post makes no sense, first your saying that people are openly defending Sony for this but that's not what I am seeing. What I see is people understanding why Sony did it and We are trying to get answers regarding the game which is why I called Sony.Wow, the ethics of some people are quite surprising. That anyone would openly defend Sony for stealing from their customers is just awful.
And you obviously cannot say that this doesn't concern a larger issue at some point; people letting companies rob and exploit their consumers with no repercussions.
It's just no ok on any level.
If, for some reason, they thought that some people could exploit the game to gain access to their servers, and had to remove it cause of that...... well, then they shouldn't sell the game to begin with, if there was any risk of that.
They force the consumers to buy a game through their servers/channels, and then they take the games back because that very option let hackers exploit their servers?
.................
Obviously there should be a big warning on their front page letting consumers know that they might take the game back from them at any moment without any refund cause hackers might be exploiting the game to get access to Sony.
Not sure why people keep saying it's not legal in the EU.
So if I buy something digitally in the EU, the place I bought it from has to keep the download available forever? They can never go down or take down the download for any reason ever? I really doubt that.
Aren't NeoGaf posters supposed to be reasonable people, though? I haven't been posting here that long.
I don't think the EULA is really relevant here?
It's just about keeping the digital download on the server for eternity/life of the company. Which I don't think is legally required.
EDIT: Note that I'm not defending Sony on this. I'm just not sure there is really anything you can do legally to say Sony did something wrong to you.
I also think that it is stupid that those that call themselves gamers do not get more hostile and angry at those who make these exploits and whatnot at least as equally as they do the companies if not MORE.
I don't think anyone's *defending* Sony, they're just stating that it's *lawful*.
Update: Sony have given me a refund for Motorstorm Arctic Edge to my PSN wallet.
I received an email from Sony tonight stating they had refunded what I had paid for Motorstorm AE. I bought this game more than two years ago for $40, so I'm completely satisfied with their response to this matter. As long as they are willing to refund what I paid for a game, I can accept that they may have to remove one from the service from time to time.
I plan on using the money to buy a cool Vita game I don't have yet... I'll find me a used UMD copy of Arctic Edge for my PSP collection tomorrow(it'll probably cost me $10)
Update: Sony have given me a refund for Motorstorm Arctic Edge to my PSN wallet.
I received an email from Sony tonight stating they had refunded what I had paid for Motorstorm AE. I bought this game more than two years ago for $40, so I'm completely satisfied with their response to this matter. As long as they are willing to refund what I paid for a game, I can accept that they may have to remove one from the service from time to time.
I plan on using the money to buy a cool Vita game I don't have yet... I'll find me a used UMD copy of Arctic Edge for my PSP collection tomorrow(it'll probably cost me $10)
I have been outted. It's true, I am the VP of Getting My Money Back.Silence!
So Kevin Butler, you finally come out of hiding!
Only a complete shill who has been bought and paid for by the Sony Electronics Empire would ever lie so blatantly on the internet!
I for one am on to you.
I have been outted. It's true, I am the VP of Getting My Money Back.
As for being bought and paid for, I will admit to generally viewing favorably large multi-nationals that see fit to give me money.
So they should be refunding everyone who bought the games, yet I bet they will only refund those who complain multiple times. And then they will say its an "exceptional gesture".
Where did you get the multiple times from? And it makes no sense to refund everyone if theyre planning to put it back on the store.
Blue Submarine No. 6 said:As of right now my request for a refund has been submitted to the Playstation Network team. From their last email:
Quote:
Our PlayStation® Network team will reply to your Sign in ID (email address) with their decision regarding your request for the following item:
• MotorStorm® Arctic Edge
Please keep in mind that as per our user agreement we don't generally offer refunds. However, our network team will review your situation and make a decision accordingly. If they do offer a refund, it will be offered as a onetime courtesy. We will not be able to offer any additional refunds in the future.
It IS possible they have no idea, and are just giving it as a gesture of good will. I think if a firmware update or two comes along with no other sign then its relisting won't happen.2. Why would they have agreed to refund him if they had no intention to put the game back on the store? The fact they have issued him a refund in this case to me implies that there is not going to be a re-listing of the games in question.
Where did you get the multiple times from? And it makes no sense to refund everyone if theyre planning to put it back on the store.
I think there's the other angle that it gets fixed on the firmware side, that it sees these exploits and actively stops them from working (or it's a universal PSP emulator that can be fixed, whichever). Think that's how the Twilight Hack got stopped, and when re-listed the games can just not work without the correct firmware.I really don't see these games ever coming back on the store. It requires getting the original teams who programmed these games years ago to get back together and patch it and I'm sure they're all on time intensive current projects and that is priority -20 to them.
What's even worse is the circle jerk in the comments section.Hey, Alex Navarro at Giant Bomb wrote an article about this. Let's take a look!
Haha, what a comedian! It's hilarious when people buy things and then have them taken away without compensation.
What's even worse is the circle jerk in the comments section.
The real issue is that Sony PR sucks royal balls. They should do a better job of informing the public about what the hell is going on instead of ignoring it. Give us a solution and an ETA and I think most people would be more understand.
You'd think they'd learn after the whole PSN thing. Japanese companies are big monolithic slabs nearly incapable of change.
I also think that it is stupid that those that call themselves gamers do not get more hostile and angry at those who make these exploits and whatnot at least as equally as they do the companies if not MORE.
I think Sony should go one further, and contact anyone who bought the game in the past via their PSN account and let them know that they have to remove the game, why they have decided to do this, whether or not they expect the game back up on PSN and when, and how the purchaser can contact Sony for a refund/compensation (if warranted).As a fan of Sony, PSN and of Digital Distribution in general, I agree with this. Sony needs to stop doing shit communication and respond to users when games just get removed.
I think Sony should go one further, and contact anyone who bought the game in the past via their PSN account and let them know that they have to remove the game, why they have decided to do this, whether or not they expect the game back up on PSN and when, and how the purchaser can contact Sony for a refund/compensation (if warranted).
Which is why I like to own a physical copy of the game.
I think Sony should go one further, and contact anyone who bought the game in the past via their PSN account and let them know that they have to remove the game, why they have decided to do this, whether or not they expect the game back up on PSN and when, and how the purchaser can contact Sony for a refund/compensation (if warranted).