wild wild rice
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It was ridiculous. My wife and I were screaming and drinking beers like it was the fucking super bowl.
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Democratic National Primary Debate #1 |Tokyo2016| Rise of Mecha-Godzilla
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It was ridiculous. My wife and I were screaming and drinking beers like it was the fucking super bowl.
PlayALLtheGames
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I didn't mean to imply that putting all those things into effect is easy.
However, I'm not sure how "raise taxes to pay for shit" is vague. That's pretty clear.
exmachina64
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At least we can agree on this.
It was fucking awesome/awful.
Soulscribe
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I was mildly disappointed in Bernie. He did poorly in the first half, and there were a few times where he could have called out some of Clinton's weaker responses (particularly with regards to telling Wall St. to "cut it out") without personally attacking her, and he got absolutely stomped on gun control. With that said, I was never under the delusion that he would crush her or even match her in the debate. He did quite well in the second part, though. If he wants to get anywhere, I think he'll have to tone down the anger a bit and hit Clinton on important issues more aggressively when the opportunities present themselves. At this point I want to say that she's the least of his problems, though - he really has to work on his delivery and he has to do a better job of explaining socialism. He missed several opportunities to liken it to the New Deal, which could have gone a long way in getting his message across.
Hillary was debating as though she were already the nominee - she didn't have a whole lot of answers at times and gave a bunch of non-answers, which was frustrating. At the same time, it makes sense for her to do that since it leaves her with less ammunition for the Republicans to use against her. Her answers related to college tuition and her non-answer regarding black lives matter were also frustrating (although the BLM thing is Cooper's fault). Also frustrating was how she didn't say anything of substance about how she would have been different from Obama, but I would have thought that an answer like, "I wouldn't be majorly different" would have been acceptable. I guess her answer was close enough to saying that.
O'Malley was probably the biggest surprise. He didn't do particularly well, but he didn't do terribly, either. I get the feeling he'll have gained the most from the debate. Webb was terrible, constantly complaining about equal time. Chafee's "I was new" answer was truly embarrassing (it looked like he died a little on the inside). I think Hillary had the best closing statement since she didn't mention her website or anything too specific. Bernie's was nothing new; O'Malley's was great up until the really specific 2050 mention that kind of ruined the flow of it.
All in all, I liked the debate. It wasn't a game-changer, but it wasn't boring, either. The candidates treated each other like people, and there seemed to be quite a lot of consensus to go around. I'm also okay with the idea of voting for Hillary now if Bernie doesn't make the nomination (I would've voted for her anyway, but now I'm at least comfortable with the prospect of doing so). This debate really cemented the idea that none of the Republicans have a contender who would have chance in hell at beating Hillary. At this point I'm almost hoping for a Trump nomination so that I could watch her run circles around him for a few hours.
I liked Cooper for the most part. He threw more softball questions at Hillary than anyone else, but he still had some good questions for her. He also seemed to interrupt everyone quite a bit, and that got tiring pretty quickly. Still, he showed why he's the best person on CNN. Don Lemon was surprisingly tolerable. I thought he was going to say some stupid shit, but he didn't this time around.
I'll support Bernie to the end, but if and when Hillary wins the primary, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. She's so much better than any of the nutjobs in the Republican party.
I still don't get the Bernie supporters who say they'd sooner vote for Trump than for Hillary. What's the deal with that? There are few candidates more corporate than Trump. He's like the anti-Bernie, much more so than Hillary has ever been.
Hillary was debating as though she were already the nominee - she didn't have a whole lot of answers at times and gave a bunch of non-answers, which was frustrating. At the same time, it makes sense for her to do that since it leaves her with less ammunition for the Republicans to use against her. Her answers related to college tuition and her non-answer regarding black lives matter were also frustrating (although the BLM thing is Cooper's fault). Also frustrating was how she didn't say anything of substance about how she would have been different from Obama, but I would have thought that an answer like, "I wouldn't be majorly different" would have been acceptable. I guess her answer was close enough to saying that.
O'Malley was probably the biggest surprise. He didn't do particularly well, but he didn't do terribly, either. I get the feeling he'll have gained the most from the debate. Webb was terrible, constantly complaining about equal time. Chafee's "I was new" answer was truly embarrassing (it looked like he died a little on the inside). I think Hillary had the best closing statement since she didn't mention her website or anything too specific. Bernie's was nothing new; O'Malley's was great up until the really specific 2050 mention that kind of ruined the flow of it.
All in all, I liked the debate. It wasn't a game-changer, but it wasn't boring, either. The candidates treated each other like people, and there seemed to be quite a lot of consensus to go around. I'm also okay with the idea of voting for Hillary now if Bernie doesn't make the nomination (I would've voted for her anyway, but now I'm at least comfortable with the prospect of doing so). This debate really cemented the idea that none of the Republicans have a contender who would have chance in hell at beating Hillary. At this point I'm almost hoping for a Trump nomination so that I could watch her run circles around him for a few hours.
I liked Cooper for the most part. He threw more softball questions at Hillary than anyone else, but he still had some good questions for her. He also seemed to interrupt everyone quite a bit, and that got tiring pretty quickly. Still, he showed why he's the best person on CNN. Don Lemon was surprisingly tolerable. I thought he was going to say some stupid shit, but he didn't this time around.
I'll support Bernie to the end, but if and when Hillary wins the primary, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. She's so much better than any of the nutjobs in the Republican party.
I still don't get the Bernie supporters who say they'd sooner vote for Trump than for Hillary. What's the deal with that? There are few candidates more corporate than Trump. He's like the anti-Bernie, much more so than Hillary has ever been.
Why are all the Bernie fans on social media outright attacking Hillary Clinton and claiming she bribed every single publication (the same publications that have been trashing her for Benghazi and some emails lol)? It's prevalent all over my Facebook and Tumblr feeds. You'd think they'd practice Bernie's stance on this issue but nope..
They're disillusioned with party politics and see Hillary as the face of it. I'm guessing they're probably young as well.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Just proves my point that his supporters don't actually practice what he preaches. In many ways, he's just a catalyst for their vehement irrational personal hatred of Hillary Clinton.
ErasureAcer
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Tell that to the poster who said CNN has been after Hillary since the 90s.
Ignatz Mouse
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Corporate owners are generally hands-off of editorial and news.
Not that that's always true, but TW donating to her campaign doesn't really mean anything.
Bam Bam Baklava
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ErasureAcer
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You should see the campaign finance clip on TYTs saying how CNN didnt even bother with campaign finance questions because thats how CNN makes a shit ton of money every election cycle. If you think the top brass didnt restrict some questions that possibly could hurt their bottom line a lot, you'd be wrong.
titiklabingapat
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One amusing thing I noticed is that there are virtually no one bringing up how few debates there are on the Democratic side anymore.
The Hillary camp and probably Bernie's camp as well probably wouldn't mind more debates now though.
The Hillary camp and probably Bernie's camp as well probably wouldn't mind more debates now though.
Said it before. Bernie's biggest issue are his own damn supporters.
ChronotriggerJM
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I definitely want more Debates. If only to phone in a more unified democratic message, and to garner more exposure. I feel like all the circus shows the Republicans put out is just more exposure they don't deserve lol.
That's the nature of the Internet. The craziest comments will garner the most attention. 99% of anyone's fanbase probably isn't very crazy at all (minus some deep seated opinions from many republicans).
hillary's campaign is the one that doesn't want a lot of debates i think
Veritigo_X
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And it's not even the majority of his supporters. It's the minority (probably people that identify as independent) that are painting them in a negative light.
TheLaughingStock
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I think Hilary did better than Bernie overall in the debate. Bernie had an opportunity to balance things when it came to the fraud comment and Hilary talking about cut it out, but instead she nailed his pragmatic attitude on guns.
eBay Huckster
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I'm not even sure her campaign doesn't want more, it's mostly DWS and her camp that have been gung ho about not expanding the slate
It's fascinating to see the "hillaryis44 crowd" label being thrown out 4 months before a single primary's vote has even finished.
GrotesqueBeauty
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It's fascinating watching many ardent Obama supporters of poligaf basically become carbon copies of the Hilary is 44 crowd 8 years ago.
bearythebear
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I like Bernie, but he's supporters are crazy.
ChronotriggerJM
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We really aren't lol, don't base your opinion on the vocal minority.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Seriously, you'd think she acquired significant executive branch experience in the interim or something
Considering these threads always devolve into a handful of people shouting down the same 1 or 2 Bernie supporters, no, I don't think it seems like a lot of people.
Also, if online polls are unscientific and worthless, then what does that make the ramblings of random Twitter users? An accurate indictment of a large group of people?
Bernie has called himself a democratic socialist from the 80s.
About that applause line about Wall Street regulating congress is nothing new from him either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzdMhdCca3Q
No, the general spitting on everyone that voices support for Bernie here on NeoGAF is crazy.
Ignatz Mouse
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So why exactly have them been going after the emails and Benghazi stuff, if they are beholden to Clinton? They aren't. They are beholden to their bottom line. Which would include a horse race and close primary.
What's Nate Silver's/538's rationale for calling the debate for Clinton?
This is like debating with a Creationist. The conclusion is foregone, all that's left is to rationalize all the contrary evidence!
OfficerRaichu15
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I agree
Ignatz Mouse
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I don't generally see attacks on Bernie supporters, just on Bernie supporters with an irrational anti-Clinton bent.
Hell, I side with Bernie on more things than Clinton. But the Anti-Clinton Rage Machine is a real thing, and it's frustrating. It's very much like the Clinton fans who derided Obama throughout the 2008 primary.
FloydtheFathead
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Yes. I believe that would be his title.
Democratic debate: Adults table
GOP main debate: Kids table
GOP JV debate: dogs barking
ChronotriggerJM
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Giving Clinton a "hardball" question like that is a bit empty. She's been responding to that exact question a billion times over. If anything her answer made it seem like she's been good to the public, and that Benghazi is a republican machine out to damage her appeal.
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TheTurboFD
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Does anyone have a link to the full discussion that doesn't have crappy audio and video?
PeskyToaster
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I was listening to Hannity for fun today on the way home. Christie was on. Sounds like the Republicans don't know what the fuck is going on with this Speaker thing.
ShadowKingpin
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This all the way. It's obnoxious.
Dude Abides
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That doesn't happen. It's just a handful of his lunatic supporters who get derided and rightfully so.
I'm sure that I'm late to this party but I found this article very interesting:
http://usuncut.com/politics/6-reaso...-owned-the-debate-despite-what-pundits-claim/
It seems by every non-media indicator, Bernie won. CNN even goes to lengths to switch polls on their own site to an article as shown:
I thought he performed very well; tbh it was the first time I had seen him speak at all since he hasn't been on media and this was a late first debate.
http://usuncut.com/politics/6-reaso...-owned-the-debate-despite-what-pundits-claim/
It seems by every non-media indicator, Bernie won. CNN even goes to lengths to switch polls on their own site to an article as shown:
I thought he performed very well; tbh it was the first time I had seen him speak at all since he hasn't been on media and this was a late first debate.
It's an online poll. That is not an actual real poll.
Yeah, all 7 online polls listed in the article. And the focus groups, fundraising, search hits, twitter indicators...etc. I'm looking forward to the "traditional" polls and seeing how it plays out. This isn't 2008 or 2000. The online presence may be a real indicator.
Old people still overwhelmingly dominate primary voting. It is why Bernies lead in the Internet is never reflected in scientific polling.
Most primary voters likely don't even know what Twitter is.
Obama mitigated this by building a coalition of young people and a super majority of minorities. Bernie doesn't have that luxury.
Winning the Internet users gets you 20%, max. Which around where his numbers are in actual polling
"5 of the dumbest people I've ever watched on TV" - Mark levin
Complaining that they didn't bring up Planned Parenthood.
Calling Bernie Sanders an out of the closet socialist.
"No media outlet will question the democrats on the debt because it exposes how they're destroying the country."
"Now they're out of the closet socialists. Soon they'll be out of the closet Marxists."
"Everyone's asking who won the debate. Who won the debate yesterday? All the people who hate America."
Complaining that they didn't bring up Planned Parenthood.
Calling Bernie Sanders an out of the closet socialist.
"No media outlet will question the democrats on the debt because it exposes how they're destroying the country."
"Now they're out of the closet socialists. Soon they'll be out of the closet Marxists."
"Everyone's asking who won the debate. Who won the debate yesterday? All the people who hate America."
Henchmen21
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Don't bother. Hillary fans like to bury their heads in the sand whenever anything unfavorable comes to light about her.
Word! Thank you for this. I've tweeted it and will be spreading it around where I can.
Also, LOL at the immediate "Bu bu but online polls don't mean anything!" defense force.
titiklabingapat
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Ron Paul was winning all these polls back in 2012 too. I'll let that speak for itself.
NoblesseOblige
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Maybe the majority should get more vocal then.
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