And for the smart asses of the repetitive "here's your youtube/twitch video"... no, thanks.
But just because a game has art assets, music, and "immersion" does not entitle you to access those aspects of the game if the developer wants to use them as a lure for you to learn the mechanics of said game. Taken to an extreme, this may mean that you do not get to see The End or achieve something special unless you have overcome a certain barrier.
You might have a threshold for "too easy" and "too hard", but there's a vast difference between "hard" and "too hard". One is a descriptor of the game, the other is a descriptor for yourself (the player).
That's great. How does the existence of difficult videogames erase all of the other "top quality, in 3d and with mods" games that are available for you to play?
Nor is anyone taking away the games you like to play. The top quality, in 3d, and with mods games are plentiful.
You have stumbled across a product that you wish to consoooome and you're upset that the product isn't as easy to consooooome as you'd prefer. Tough life.
Nothing changes for the people that don't want change. They will be still exactly the same games for you. You're only standing for denying others. That's the reality of it, not a straw man.
Cool, so you have no reason to complain since you already have the tools you need.Oh... so this is "forbidden" for me then, it's some special thing I'm not "entitled" to... yeah, fuck that. I'm on PC and so I will play what and how I want, despite what the devs barriers want. Just go see how amazing 2014's Assetto Corsa got thanks to modding despite the original devs complaining about the original code being "raped". Greatest PC feature.
I'm not on any side. I evaluate each product as its own piece of entertainment.Totally agree, that's exactly why some people's needs differ from others. These games are "hard". They are not "too hard" for you, but they are "too hard" for others.
I'm on the side of "better make it "not too hard" for them then", instead of the "fuck your needs, go play something else" one.
Why do you take it upon yourself to "concern yourself" with what others do or don't need that doesn't affect you in any way?It doesn't. That was an answer to that repetitive smart ass "here's your easy mode: (pathetic stream quality link)"
I play soulsborne games and plenty of others too. No personal complaints here.
Nobody wants to "consoooome" your special soulflake game, don't worry. Some people with lesser capabilities or different needs than you want to be able to enjoy it. Just stop concerning yourself with what others do or need that doesn't affect you in any way, as they do with you. They'll be happier, you'll be happier and your anus will be happier.
If all you want is to appreciate the art, music, ambiance, etc., then a Youtube video is indeed going to let you do all of that, there are some fine quality streams for most modern games. You are dead set on the developer providing an alternative to their vision for people who aren't interested in that. Sorry princess this ain't your game.
People who are interested in being able to enjoy the game
Cool, so you have no reason to complain since you already have the tools you need.
If these tools are available to others, what's the point of the OP?
Drawing an arbitrary, dogmatic line on what is "too hard" is bizarre to me.
Why do you take it upon yourself to "concern yourself" with what others do or don't need that doesn't affect you in any way?
Then there are brainlets like you, who show up to browbeat and make demands.
Nah, trash like you should be laughed at, not listened to.
It doesn't even take "skill", all the game is asking is patience and engagement to its system....basically act of playing video game.No you're not, you're interested in assets and ambiance, the game requires skill you don't want to put up
It doesn't even take "skill", all the game is asking is patience and engagement to its system....basically act of playing video game.
Who cares if Devs add an easy mode? It doesn't effect you if you don't use it. Why do you care about other's experience?
Tell me whats wrong for developers making games they want to make? FROM got well known exactly because they don't follow "industry standards", great games are made when developers take risks, it might not appeal to everybody but that how we get unforgettable games.....WHATS SO WRONG ABOUT THAT!!?Who cares if Devs add an easy mode? It doesn't effect you if you don't use it. Why do you care about other's experience?
There must be a reason none of these game have had one thus far. Possibly that the game makers see the difficulty as part of the experience they intend the player to have. Who are people to tell them that they should be making the game differently so that you can experience select parts of the experience?
Tell me whats wrong for developers making games they want to make? FROM got well known exactly because they don't follow "industry standards", great games are made when developers take risks, it might not appeal to everybody but that how we get unforgettable games.....WHATS SO WRONG ABOUT THAT!!?
No you're not, you're interested in assets and ambiance, the game requires skill you don't want to put up
If (as very clearly demonstrated) the option will not affect you in anyway, why should that option not exist?
Who cares if Devs add an easy mode? It doesn't effect you if you don't use it. Why do you care about other's experience?
I dont want to see Souls series end up like Dead Rising, Capcom took most of its unique mechanics from first game to make it have more "mass appeal" and what we end up with is the 4th game that it no longer Dead Rising and just became generic open world with zombies.I just said it's not the end of the world if it does.
It doesn't even take "skill", all the game is asking is patience and engagement to its system....basically act of playing video game.
Nobody. I never said that they should, but that if they do it's fine, and their prerogative. People in this thread are acting like they would die IRL if the game had an easy mode. In terms of no past games having one, this is a different dev, so I wouldn't be shocked.
Nobody is asking for an "alternative vision" for "people who aren't interested"
Labeling that as a whole "alternative vision" is exaggerating what it really is.
I enjoy games my way. Cool. You enjoy games your way. Great. People that ask for an option to be able to enjoy a game they want in the way they need. I'm all for it. Let them.
"Gimp your game so I can see late-game assets" sounds like it to me.
their game should not be cake walked through
You watch it on stream if you're that interested in the art, and move on to something you do have fun playing.
there is a fallacy underpinning your entire argument. i've highlighted it.People who are interested in being able to enjoy the game but are unable to are asking for an option. That tremendously huge "alternative vision".
That's because that's another straw man to add to the long list in this thread.
"cake walk", "smash R1 to kill boss at first try", "baby stroll"... same old same old absurd exaggerations and false dilemmas.
It's not either "ultra hard" or "cake walk" options. Making it easiER for the people that find it impossible is not suddenly turning it into a "cake walk". For those people, even an easiER mode could be harder than the current difficulty is for you.
Why do you want to deny others to experience playing a game that is very hard at its lowest difficulty? Don't you have any empathy?
It's not a strawman at all. You want the intended challenge level to be lessened so you can experience the things you personally value (art, sound, music, ambient, immersion)
The point is that the intended experience is for it to be a certain level of challenge, and the fact that the developer refuses to capitulate to the whines for easier difficulty levels sort of indicates that they consider the challenge level they present in their games to be very important to the experience, they clearly do not want their games to be experienced without the challenge.
For the 100th time, It's not about me. Personally, I don't even need an easier mode. The people asking for it do
Again: making it easier for people with lesser capabilities than yours doesnt suddenly turn them into games "without challenge". An easier experience for those people may still be harder for them than the normal mode is for you.
Who cares lol, what I'm saying applies to the people you are arguing for
"Gimp your game so I can see late-game assets"
Why do you think that they have not once added easier options? I believe it's because A) they want the player to experience a specific level of challenge, and B) these games are actually easy if you take your time and play with focus. The grinding and leveling are the pathways for "people with lesser capabilities" to finish the games
there is a fallacy underpinning your entire argument. i've highlighted it.
you are not unable to play the game. you are not unable to beat it or enjoy it.
you can do it. but you have to try. you are basically saying you won't try.
that's the problem. you are admitting defeat right from the start.
these games have been beaten by so many people who thought they were impossible. they did it without lowering the bar.
you can as well. you only have to believe in yourself.
You can laugh all you want but the fact is that there is no learning curve to Souls combat system and there is no complex system for you to learn. What this game is really asking you is to be patience and engage with the game. Is not type of game that you can just turn your brain off and still except to beat it, you have to put effort to it.....you know, act of playing video games.The fallacy is "everybody can play these games the same", or the even much funnier "they are not even hard!".
there is a fallacy underpinning your entire argument. i've highlighted it.
you are not unable to play the game. you are not unable to beat it or enjoy it.
you can do it. but you have to try. you are basically saying you won't try.
that's the problem. you are admitting defeat right from the start.
these games have been beaten by so many people who thought they were impossible. they did it without lowering the bar.
you can as well. you only have to believe in yourself.
Nothing denied, because they won't use it. They get exactly the same. The only difference is they don't get to deny others that need it easier to be able to play.
Doom's easy mode doesn't hurt or affect in any way the people playing it on Ultra Nightmare, unless they were entitled doomflakes crying over "but I need others not to be able to play it different than me!"
So the second answer is no, there shouldn't be any empathy for the people who only point is denying others.
You can't twist that with your absurd proposition: "you are denying my right to deny!" doesn't fly.
Could you imagine if there were threads such as I think 7th guest puzzles should be easier or why does Myst make me think!?!. I can imagine the thread now... I work hard and I have kids to take care of and responsibilities I don't have time for gosh darned puzzles before bed.