Wolves Evolve
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Goddamnit.
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Destiny: Only one area per planet
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Goddamnit.
Why do levels in this game even exist? You'll hit the cap 20 in no time, and your skills will continue to unlock, and you'll continue finding more loot... why have a short period of time at the beginning of the game where your loot is restricted by level?
I'm honestly wondering about the justifiable game design mechanics that made this a necessary thing to do?
I'm honestly wondering about the justifiable game design mechanics that made this a necessary thing to do?
Trickster
Member
Oh the horror people refeer to the moon as a planet so they don't have to keep saying planets/moon. the horror
So players aren't overwhelmed by skill choice the second the game opens. Makes weapon balance in pve easier to handle. Gives you another form of progression while playing the story.
It's fun to level, it's not fun to grind for ages to a level cap just so you can start grinding for the gear you need. It also introduces skills at an even pace.
Looks like Bungie agree, so they let us power up our character quickly so we can access the top level gear. It's then probably up to us how much time we spend grinding for it.
Turin Turambar
Member
I can say now "hah haahahah!"
Time ago I was seeing people super hyped with the game, they were saying "omg you can explore a planet. And there are several planets, you can explore the entire solar system!!".
Meanwhile I was thinking, well, the game is a FPS. Another one. It will have level 1, level 2, level 3, etc. up to 20 or 25 or whatever number. They are just putting level 1-2-3 as hub in planet A, level 4-5 as planet B, etc. The content is the same, you just choose them picking a planet instead of playing them linearly. But the game surely won't have 50x more content than other equivalent FPS in the market. People shouldn't expect more.
It was like believing that you really can explore the galaxy in Mass Effect, it's just a set of scenarios in specific places, there is no "galaxy".
Time ago I was seeing people super hyped with the game, they were saying "omg you can explore a planet. And there are several planets, you can explore the entire solar system!!".
Meanwhile I was thinking, well, the game is a FPS. Another one. It will have level 1, level 2, level 3, etc. up to 20 or 25 or whatever number. They are just putting level 1-2-3 as hub in planet A, level 4-5 as planet B, etc. The content is the same, you just choose them picking a planet instead of playing them linearly. But the game surely won't have 50x more content than other equivalent FPS in the market. People shouldn't expect more.
It was like believing that you really can explore the galaxy in Mass Effect, it's just a set of scenarios in specific places, there is no "galaxy".
yeah, probably. Expectations are a bitch.
I wanted a touchstone, a massive real next gen game with an intoxicating blend of story and outrageous gameplay innovations; not just a highly polished cross gen coop shooter with typical bad videogame story.
Still, if I'm wrong, beta was not representative of the game, I'll be ecstatic. I'd love to be wrong and I'd gladly eat crow.
That guy. He had every hotel in Sochi put a framed 8X10 of his face in each room for the Olympics. What kind of guy does that?
I doubt we've come even remotely close to seeing 25% of the story mode. What game has given you 25% of it in the form of a demo? Prey?
You guys are like grasshoppers jumping to all these conclusions.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Seems like this is it.
One area per planet is what I already expected.
Here is the full map of Venus:
7 campaign missions
2 strikes
1 raid
Free roam
If they repeat this on all other places [Earth, Moon, Mars], we will have a lot of content on our hands. And who knows what will be on Reef [probably some end-game stuff].
More than enough content IMO.
I had never seen these, thanks.
I think there will be a lot of content based on the maps. Venus looks bigger than Old Russia too.
Minimum Multiplayer Online game
Jacksinthe
Banned
No. Just. Just no. Nobody expected an entire solar system. What we did not expect was to be slogging through the exact same respawns in explore mode with zero context to the task at hand as we did in story mode. Picking up different beacons sends you through the exact same areas kilking the same mobs over and over again or babysitting your ghost while it works on a downed machine in the environment. There is little to no variation to the design or encounters. Its just a stage filled with infinitely respawning enemies with little to no regard of actual context for your current task. CLEAR THE AREA - correction. Go anywbere, kill anything. COLLECT THESE THINGS from any enemy anywhere.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Isn't another area on Saturns moon or something like that?
Yeah, wasn't there a region called King's Watch that wasn't available?
Still, I'm a bit bummed that there will be no other locations on earth besides Old Russia. Liked the looks of the little bit of art I saw of that jungle-ish location (India?) and love the thought of exploring old Chicago.
The cynic in me says to expect those locations in DLC.
I come into Destiny expecting an online cooperative Halo I could play with my friend through the story. It's structurally different but in terms of length/content I will be happy if Destiny is Halo-like.
I don't expect MMO levels of content.
One area per planet sounds fine to me for what I want out of Destiny.
And as a bonus, if the gameplay holds up longer term, I'll have Monster Hunter-like grinding to play for a while.
I don't expect MMO levels of content.
One area per planet sounds fine to me for what I want out of Destiny.
And as a bonus, if the gameplay holds up longer term, I'll have Monster Hunter-like grinding to play for a while.
Trickster
Member
You're thinking of Europa I'm guessing, and that was only ever featured as concept art. Throw it into the same group as flooded chicago, mumbai push, deadzone etc.
a sci-fi monster hunter would be awesome.
Question:
I got to lvl 8 on my Voidwalker and to level 5 with the other two classes but I still don't get the level and ability system. Is there any customization at all? It seems I need to activate them as they unlock and the upgrade versions of those skills level up automatically as well.
Is there a ability point system later where I actually have a limited amount of points to spend?
I got to lvl 8 on my Voidwalker and to level 5 with the other two classes but I still don't get the level and ability system. Is there any customization at all? It seems I need to activate them as they unlock and the upgrade versions of those skills level up automatically as well.
Is there a ability point system later where I actually have a limited amount of points to spend?
Them bing DLC is perfectly acceptable if the core game justifies itself with amount of content.
We will definitely see new areas as DLC. That's pretty much guaranteed.
Time will tell if they're being fair about it.
There are a few either/or skills in the class skill list, but it looks like the majority of customisation will be via the gear you receive. With mods that show motion tracker on ads, or ones that clock you when you ads, or kills returning ammo to the magazine, etc... It looks like the choices aren't ever going to be obvious or binary, with choice utility adding a decent amount of variety.
Hopefully they'll deliver on this foundation.
stargateheaven
Member
Well there's only 2 areas we haven't been to in old russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x4roVUASpc - how to get into BUNKER RAS2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x4roVUASpc - how to get into BUNKER RAS2
I keep thinking it's skylanders for FPS market just with out the toys and we buy area's/weapons/armour bit by bit till we've spent way more than we expected. It's the shit free to play model on a full price game where we pay to try it and then add to the experience bit by bit until we can't take no more.
This hang up on the level cap is, I think, misplaced. Even with the beta cap at 8 i was able to progress my characters skills. 20, if that's even the true "cap" might just be an unlock for the main attributes but then just like weapon and armor upgrades, your skills will continue to evolve. I'm still really excited for this game; actually more so now.
Trickster
Member
There's a couple of inaccesible places yes, doesn't really mean you should expect the zones in the retail release to be signnificantly bigger. I actually wouldn't expect them to be bigger at all when doing normal exploration mode. My guess is that the locked off areas are significant story missions places, that you only have access to during specific story missions.
This is all speculation... the Wikia shows old chicago and Europa as well: http://destiny.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Locations
What are you going on about here? There's not been a single indication this is happening.
Thats what i thought. From what i can remember it was 4 places that had a new name but no access. I hope those places really expand the world.
Also.. it would be nice to see a variety of enemies. I know we only played the intro to the game. But fighting the same enemies was not very fun on the long run.
Game needs a map. Either an unlock or collectible.
Also.. i hope they can make their loading times a little faster, and less. Like the option to return tot he tower without having to go to the level select menu.
I am still pretty much excited about the game. I just hope the missions don't just last 10 mins. overall. That mission on the moon took like 8 mins haha
It looks like the regular game + dlc model to me.
The Reef is [apparently] another social hub, so I wouldn't expect missions there.
What I'm really looking forward to is the Vanguard area. Please let it be stuff like Horde Mode...
"Old Chicago is speculated to be the ruins of present-day Chicago"
You don't say, wiki
Trickster
Member
Yes, those locations have been mentioned once as part of the design process panel at gdc 2013 and never confirmed as places we go to.
It's a wiki. I could go there and add Pluto as a location if I wanted to.
Except it's nothing like the ftp model...
Wind's Howling
Member
From what I have seen the last couple of months I can not see how this game does not warrant the 60 bucks. All of a sudden people are cancelling their pre-orders because the PR departement mentioned a few things that are not going to be in the end game. So what? The majority of the game that has been promised is still in there, with the same incredible art direction and finishing touch that Bungie is known for. You guys will be surprised how many developers mentioned gameplay aspects that were never present in the end product, but did they turn out for the worse because of it? No.
Expansions add more levels maybe?
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
And RIOT coined the term MOBA to not say their game was a dota clone, whch it was.
How's the saying, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
clarkision
Member
This. I wasn't even considering Destiny until I played the Beta and loved it. The game is solid and one of the better offerings coming this year.
But it doesn't walk like a duck or smell like a duck. At any point in time, will there ever be more than 16 people in the same world instance? Is there any persistent world that hundreds or even thousands of people can all interact with? 12-16 total people in a world instance as a max in the entire game is simply not an MMO.
The game seems like it's fun enough. Definitely not doing anything game-changing and missions all feel samey so far. But the gunplay and battles are fun enough. If you're not into PvP, the longevity of the PvE is really the major question for me.
Skylanders is anything but F2P, that's why Destiny sounds like it'll be just like it.
Pay for the base game, spend silly amounts on DLC making up the rest of the game.
To be fair, Destiny is in the company of games like Guild Wars 1 that share many features of the MMO genre but have enough differences that fans and developers alike don't agree on the genre label.
At the moment, Destiny has two $20 expansions planned that will presumably be released over the course of a year or so. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt until they announce more.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
As much as I like warframe, and as much as I recommend every one of you to give it a fair shake while visiting http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=712282&page=231 this thread for the official gaf warframe communnity, that pic is a bit misleading.
Portugeezer
Member
The moon in Destiny had copy and paste caves and bunkers, I fear it will also feel repetitive.
The underground cave was cool though.
Morphine_OD
Banned
Told you so.
Yah I think it's an Alpha pic, I'd like something more recent.
If that's not what you mean by misleading, what do you mean exactly?
qa_engineer
Member
Wasnt the character creation system supposed to be much deeper than a couple of color and face options?
I'm going to get the game because I see potential in this title, but I was expecting a deep online RPG experience with guns, set in a massive world where you could roam freely and do what you want where you want.
I'm going to get the game because I see potential in this title, but I was expecting a deep online RPG experience with guns, set in a massive world where you could roam freely and do what you want where you want.
Agreed on fairness, I'm hopeful but trying to keep expectations in check.
re: variety- As the beta ended I was finally checking the differences in stat bonuses because my Warlock's grenade cooldown is insanely quick and finally saw that I had big discipline bonuses on almost all of my armor. I like the trade offs and decisions to make on what to keep and equip. do i take a slight hit on armor to get more discipline or whatever? or the armor that has a bonus to my fav class of weapon. i do like the amount of possibilities to customize and help compliment your play style.
Sodding_Gamer
Member
I noticed this too when I was on the Moon. In Old Russia there are a few copy and paste caves but there were a few unique ones with a bit of loot in there too.
But literally every single cave I saw in Moon was exactly the same. Same rock placement and layout. Bit disappointing to be honest!
Did you play The Librarian?
Not new territory for Bungie.
I'm still getting the game (and am actually very excited for it), but it's amazing how different the delivered product appears to be from the hinted at product. We all got Moleneux'ed.
Sodding_Gamer
Member
Huh? What the Librarian?!