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Developers hate Series S
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Codes 208
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It shouldve used the one x as a template and improved upon, not nerfed. Yes it has a newer, faster architecture, but it was gimped to the point that it couldnt even run 360/xb1 games with the one x improved modes. That was already a bad sign.
And it still bugs me that ms looked at this and said “lets give it another 500gb and charge an extra $50 and call it a day” with the new one coming out next month instead of actually re-launching an improved version (or even a set of new pro consoles). Ffs, for $350 i’d rather just buy another switch oled or pay an extra $50 for a ps5 DE or steam deck
So what about BG3 being delayed because it was gonne be destroyed by Starfield? Is that still a thing?
Katatonic
Member
Not if you're a Series S owner, which is the majority of the install base and goes against the promises made by MS.
MasterCornholio
Member
Yep same thing with developers and platforms. If they have a platform that they hate they should just abandon it if it makes sense for them to do so.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Its not that easy though is it for them to do that. It's up the owners. As individuals they can move on as it just comes across as someone moaning at work. If it is that bad they could move onto something else like I did.
Love your work and you'll never work again.
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MasterCornholio
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It's like with the PS3. For some devs it was easier to not even release games on that platform. But of course this depends on the actual devs.
Codeblew
Member
Low income families should spend more time working so they don't have to buy a shitty console.
I would love to make games but I get paid much more and work much less at a fortune 20 company.
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pasterpl
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Latina said it will come to Xbox, it will be the version will most of the bugs fixed etc. Just a bit later.
goty? Are you crazy? If this wouldn’t be turn based I would be all over it, but I cannot stand turn based games.
X-Wing
Member
Second highest scored game on OpenCritic. Yeah... I think it has a good chance of becoming GOTY.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
Which is a good thing
Wouldn't that be more of a reason to be open about it? I'm potentially one hotkey away from getting a dozen people fired. To discuss these matters in private on an event would seem very logical to me.
Heck, even I had people on the outside complain on my request for jobs I had in the past. It worked.
Still not saying it's true but I fail to see how it doesn't make any sense.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Now they dropped the split screen requirement and larian will release it asap for Xbox and not sony paid larian to keep it off xbox. What narrative will the philites push next?
STARSBarry
Gold Member
Not anymore
Review: Baldur's Gate III Is a Promising Revival of a Beloved Franchise
Baldur's Gate III is a great start to what could be a strong revival for one of the most influential series of all time.
www.siliconera.com
This contrarian managed to tank the score all by himself yesterday. Just after making sure to give armored core a perfect mark. The sad news is I feel given the review its warranted, but oh well.
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Topher
Gold Member
Yep, I have been doing software and infrastructure architecture for many years. Doesn't mean I can waltz into Epic and help them optimize Fortnite, lol.
Although, Tim, if you are reading, make me an offer!
If I went back and took some refresher courses in math and physics along with some game dev classes then maybe I could step into a studio like Larian as a novice developer. Thanks......but after 20 years I really don't feel like starting over. Either way, this chatter was just nonsense designed to minimize the issues Larian was facing with XSS by a guy pretending to have all the answers. Shouldn't be taken seriously.
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supernova8
Banned
If they run a deal where I can "upgrade" by trading in my Series S for Series X for free (even if it's a digital-only Series X) then sure. Otherwise I'm selling my Series S and never touching Xbox ever again.
They made their bed now they have to lie in it. This is not like different versions of iPhone. Microsoft very clearly marketed Series S and Series X as one generation. They cannot go back on that.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Maybe I've got I wrong but when I go to industry events, I never bad mouth other companies, people I know or products that people around me might be invested in in some way. Aside from it not being very nice, news travels fast and most industries are made up of fewer people than people often think.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Just want to share how much love I have for the ever evolving narrative.
- Series S is brilliant value option that will skyrocket Xbox sales. Watch out of India!
- The hardware is actually more advanced than PS5 in some ways and will give it a run for its money, RDNA2 + faster CPU, that’s right.
- The games will look like Series X just at 1440p.
- Series S IS NOT holding back anything. Scaling is as good as flipping a switch in the API.
- Devs have no problem with S because of PC.
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MS is going to take the series S out of the market or allow devs to simply delay their games on it. Good on MS for no feature parity. 1080p at half the framerate? Sounds good to me. Devs hate it? Listen listen listen, WE ALL KNEW Series S was going to be a terrible little piece of shit guys, it’s unfair to criticize MS for putting a piece of shit on the market, it’s not fair what could Phil Spencer have done? They had to do it. Series S owners knew what they were buying, nobody was mislead, Phil Spencer said it himself when it was announced “Series S is for the broke, cheap ass gamer who doesn’t want to invest on quality products or games, and at some point in time you will regret paying for this garbage”. It was the plan all along!
- Series S is brilliant value option that will skyrocket Xbox sales. Watch out of India!
- The hardware is actually more advanced than PS5 in some ways and will give it a run for its money, RDNA2 + faster CPU, that’s right.
- The games will look like Series X just at 1440p.
- Series S IS NOT holding back anything. Scaling is as good as flipping a switch in the API.
- Devs have no problem with S because of PC.
to
MS is going to take the series S out of the market or allow devs to simply delay their games on it. Good on MS for no feature parity. 1080p at half the framerate? Sounds good to me. Devs hate it? Listen listen listen, WE ALL KNEW Series S was going to be a terrible little piece of shit guys, it’s unfair to criticize MS for putting a piece of shit on the market, it’s not fair what could Phil Spencer have done? They had to do it. Series S owners knew what they were buying, nobody was mislead, Phil Spencer said it himself when it was announced “Series S is for the broke, cheap ass gamer who doesn’t want to invest on quality products or games, and at some point in time you will regret paying for this garbage”. It was the plan all along!
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StereoVsn
Member
Yeah, but it was just amusing. There is a huge difference in requirements in disparate fields and thinking that you know it all because say you have been working on writing code on software project in a Corp somewhere is silly.
To be fair there is no way I would want to work in game industry considering the hours and pay. It's kind of ridiculous as compared to regular private sector development and IT jobs.
BlackTron
Gold Member
As someone with both a Series S and X, and likes the S for what it is. What I never ever thought it was, was a system that would not be holding back games, because you always have to design around the lowest denominator. It defined the gen as games that can run on S, plus higher settings on X. The entire "just design the game you want then lower settings for S" narrative was always a farce. If you want your title to be multiplatform, as in on PS as well -then S is holding back PS games at that point as well.
They got away with it because this gen had an unusual value proposition for a cross-gen box masquerading as a new system. Now that the gen is picking up, and they want a PS5 game. Reality sets in pretty quick.
If I had actually bought the S as my main system with real money, believing the corporate BS, I'd be pretty pissed right now. I just got a deal on one and ended up surprised what a good little X sidekick it makes.
They got away with it because this gen had an unusual value proposition for a cross-gen box masquerading as a new system. Now that the gen is picking up, and they want a PS5 game. Reality sets in pretty quick.
If I had actually bought the S as my main system with real money, believing the corporate BS, I'd be pretty pissed right now. I just got a deal on one and ended up surprised what a good little X sidekick it makes.
You're not from the press though. And nothing you say or do could even make the slightest dent in the way these companies function. That guy probably could, as you and I are here on NeoGaf discussing this very matter
I wouldn't be bothered about doing not-so-nice things towards big companies with terrible management. Your nice-being is likely doing more bad than good. But to each their own I guess.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
No offence intended, but what did you understand the words that I typed to mean?You're not from the press though. And nothing you say or do could even make the slightest dent in the way these companies function. That guy probably could, as you and I are here on NeoGaf discussing this very matter
I wouldn't be bothered about doing not-so-nice things towards big companies with terrible management. Your nice-being is likely doing more bad than good. But to each their own I guess.
I'm sorry but I literally do not know what you just typed and I'm not sure if that's incredibly ironic or not lmao.
Lysandros
Member
The CPU isn't the problem, it is the same as XSX minus the very minor frequency difference. The RAM amount (and bandwidth) is.
Freelance Yakuza
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Another one
FeralEcho
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Lysandros
Member
Saying that "PS5 is as weak as the XSS" is exactly the same thing as saying "XSX is as weak as the XSS". Both beyond idiotic statements. Call an ambulance if you see someone running around uttering such gibberish even if it's you.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Both systems are definitely a lot more powerful than the XSS. I always thought it was dumb how some compared the premium ones to the XSS.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Hate gaming? I wouldn't get a entire console when I already have a PC if I "hated gaming".
It's quite the other way around. Every time you see someone hating gaming, it's either PC players complaining that nobody competes with Nvidia, "next gen" owners complaining graphics aren't impressive or not 60 fps locked, or switch owner's frustrated Nintendo didn't tried to produce a $1000 handheld with years old soc but with a no bezel 1080p screen yet.
Actually, I love the series s. Since you are such a hate free guy, you love it too, right?
In Cold Blood
Banned
There are many lower speced PCs than XSS.
There are GPU cards with less RAM. There are CPUs with less cores. There are PCs with Mechanical Hard Drives.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
The Switch 2 will likely be slightly less powerful than the Steam Deck, and will sell like hotcakes. Enjoy your lowest common denominator when it sells 10 million units on day 1.
Bojji
Member
And?
Developers don't care about this stuff at all, once they jump from Xbox one being the lowest common denominator to series s minimum specs wil be set around this console.
SSD are at least recommended for most new games.
You can see for current gen only games that requirements are much higher then for cross cen ttitles.
Bojji
Member
Switch sold millions of units from day one and barely any "big" games got ported for it.
Most Nintendo consoles sells on Nintendo games.
In Cold Blood
Banned
And?
It means the amount of times devs have to take to make their games run well on all the different brands and powers of CPUs and GPUs and RAM amounts and types is far greater than one extra series console which is set up as a direct profile on the GDK.
To think otherwise is either plain wrong, or a reason to troll xbox.
Topher
Gold Member
None of which is even the point. XSS needs more RAM than it has for split screen. That's really the only issue here. Devs have been supporting multiple configurations of hardware for decades. I think they have figured that out by now.
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Skifi28
Gold Member
Hate is too powerful a word. How about "GAF strongly dislikes series S" ?
Topher
Gold Member
Pretty sure that "hate" is not limited to GAF.
Skifi28
Gold Member
Pretty sure most devs on PC don't go though every possible permutation and code somethting specific for it. They target some basic specs from say intel/AMD/nVidia and if yours are too different and the game doesn't perform as well as you'd expect, tough luck. Complain to your specific ventor about new drivers with fixes.
Schmendrick
Member
And devs are free to ignore those completely when designing their game, unlike the XSS.....
The "but what about the low spec pcs out there talk" will always be nonsense.
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MasterCornholio
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Yeah remember the Pentium 3? Pretty sure even devs have their limits on how low they want to go.
scarlet0pimp
Member
Something thay keeps popping up, is the series s is not powerful enough to run split screen which is not true, fortnite and MW 2 for example run slipt screen nicely on the S. The case here is that the series s likely doesn't have enough ram to run Bg3 in split screen, essentially having to run the game twice which I think is not too bad considering how demanding the game is on pc.
Also the halo infinite split screen thing I doubt series s is the issue there as xbox one is the lowest hardware halo has to run on.
Also the halo infinite split screen thing I doubt series s is the issue there as xbox one is the lowest hardware halo has to run on.
yamaci17
Member
memory
720p low a whopping 15+ gb of memory usage
practically same ram usage as it would have if you run the game at 1440p or 4k ultra.
you cannot scale a game's "logic" memory use by turning down resolution. the only problem is the memory.
so in other words, if you have "8 gb" ram on PC, you won't be able to make hogwarts legacy compliant with your system even at 300p lowest absolute worst settings. the game is simply designed for 16 gb ram in my (PC). just a food for thought.
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rofif
Banned
They really dropped the ball huh
Bojji
Member
Games are developed first and foremost for consoles, they need to make it work on that hardware. PC version is way less important for majority of developers/publishers and many times even the highest end hardware don't run new games smoothly, they don't even bother to optimize their games at all (plus buggy as fuck). You really think they think about 1060 owners when developing new UE5 game? Immortals (of something) run 20+ fps in this GPU (the most popular GPU on the planet).
When new consoles are released PC requirements go up too, this has always been the case and PC players needs to upgrade their hardware every time this happens. This time "thanks" to series s this upgrade is not big at all because devs have to fit their games to run on this console (that is barely twice as good as PS4) THATS WHY people are complaing that this console holds back entire industry.
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