From what I understand, the switch to UE3 happened soon before the Nintendo E3 reveal. It was running on Vigil's Darksiders tech before that, AFAIK.
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Devil's Third Retail Build Single Player Impressions
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From what I understand, the switch to UE3 happened soon before the Nintendo E3 reveal. It was running on Vigil's Darksiders tech before that, AFAIK.
Interceptor
Banned
Has to be it. Strange gamers still don't realise he was always saved by a great team. Other than his love for boobs and booze (which i can respect) he never was a great creator to me.
It's sad that nothing of this is in the final product. Conceptually this version looked a lot more interesting.
Isn't that the multiplayer?
SaveTheQueen
Banned
It really does. I'm not very clued up though, but why would they change the lead character (If that was the lead character) He looked much more interesting than this new one who looks like he belongs in the first Blade movie.
Nintendo gave him free reign to do what he truly wanted to do, basically.
Haunted
Member
looks like poop
Shame the art style is so western or we would have had the pleasure of watching the usual pedo waifu apologists trip over themselves defending that.
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Shame the art style is so western or we would have had the pleasure of watching the usual pedo waifu apologists trip over themselves defending that.
Nintendo giving people free reign seems to have a history of not working out.
Completely forgot they had to switch engines 3 times now. First originally on their own tech before getting picked up by THQ, then changed to the Warhammer engine, and then to UE3.
Sounds more like another Project HAMMERHoly molys... So another Sonic Boom case??? This is worse cuz it's being published by Nintendo
The tl;dr is that Nintendo saw promise in what was already made and had faith that between the two of them they'd be able to turn it into something worth getting excited about, but with the Wii U selling like it is, they couldn't just keep working on it on the down-low like they might otherwise do with projects that aren't up to scratch, but they also didn't have the option of shelving it for good, so they're releasing it with as little fanfare as possible.
pinkurocket
Member
The game does look kinda bad, but at least it doesn't look like it's broken. There's probably some fun to be had in there. Some parts (looking at Nintendaan's fotoage) even look pretty good!
The multiplayer seemed to be the most appealing anyway. Wonder how that will turn out.
The multiplayer seemed to be the most appealing anyway. Wonder how that will turn out.
Miles Quaritch
Member
This is why NG3 was such a great game and showed that Itakagi didn't really have much to do with the earlier games.
ShockingAlberto
Member
My guess what happened is:
As THQ was folding, Itagaki reached out to Danny Bilson and asked if he knew a publisher that would take on the project. They tried the console manufacturers, but Nintendo was the most eager to get on Itagaki's good side. Bilson and Itagaki made a lot of promises about milestones and Nintendo got on board, but Valhalla ended up not meeting the milestones and the game clearly suffered for it. Now Nintendo's left with a bad game, Valhalla knows their reputation is tarnished and are retreating to mobile, and the investment in Itagaki isn't going to pay off at all.
As THQ was folding, Itagaki reached out to Danny Bilson and asked if he knew a publisher that would take on the project. They tried the console manufacturers, but Nintendo was the most eager to get on Itagaki's good side. Bilson and Itagaki made a lot of promises about milestones and Nintendo got on board, but Valhalla ended up not meeting the milestones and the game clearly suffered for it. Now Nintendo's left with a bad game, Valhalla knows their reputation is tarnished and are retreating to mobile, and the investment in Itagaki isn't going to pay off at all.
I would've hated to see what this game played like a year ago.
E_Darkness
Member
I was really hoping this would be good. It even looked fun...
It might still be fun, right?
It might still be fun, right?
Disappointed to watch some of the preview videos. The game looks like one of those PS2/Xbox games ported to 360 in the 360's launch days. But the gameplay doesn't look all that compelling. There's the spark of a good idea in this, the original trailer back when the game was announced is proof enough of that, but it seems the execution is just off. It's sad to see a game that took so long to come out look rushed and unfinished like this. I don't know how, but I really hope Itagaki can get a good budget and team around him again to make the sorts of games he's been successful with in the past. Or anything really, as long as it's good... Sometimes devs get stuck in a project that just drags and never fulfills its potential, I believe Itagaki can make great games still. Too bad this doesn't look like one of them.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Guilty Gear Xrd
Garou
Member
It comes out in 3 weeks in Japan.
SporeCrawler
Member
Sad.. I had hope
Cheeseman Battitude
Member
Damn, this doesn't look good.
jaundicejuice
Member
lol, what? Perpetual beta. Or were the new features "just polish"?
At this point, there's zero chance the game will be a success. It's been in development since 2009, is on a single platform and is unlikely to review well.
Here's an Itagaki interview.
On saving the game from being canned:
ShockingAlberto
Member
Weapons and new rooms to levels.
I guess, but it looks so different. What I understood from that trailer and the logo was that the game had a big parkour focus, but now the movement looks slow and clunky.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Does Itagaki have any connections left with Microsoft? By all accounts his career is pretty much over once this game comes out.
Yeah, it's one exception. There may be another or two but, for the most part, results have been pretty bad for Japanese developed UE3 games.
If it did play out like this that's a damn shame. The talk on the Nintendo production side last year sounded really optimistic and promising, IF things went as planned.
Miles Quaritch
Member
If he did, he doesn't anymore. I mean, MS apparently passed on this when it was being shopped around, they saw what some people still refuse to believe... It's garbage.
He should have stuck to making single player games inspired by Ninja Gaiden.
ShockingAlberto
Member
The irony is he (probably jokingly) gave Kamiya shit about making Bayonetta after leaving Capcom.
http://www.destructoid.com/itagaki-trash-talks-bayonetta-because-he-s-out-of-his-mind-135356.phtml
Yes, that is my biggest regret TBH.
In the original version there was a lot of emphasis on movement, on rhythm, and on the brutal action.
In the game we've got, it's a whole different story.
Nintendo has nothing to do with it.
Fans of the dev who were just overhyped.
But clearly it seems the budget of the game has been cut at some point since it can't reach Sleeping Dog level graphics at least.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Oh dear. Kamiya knows what he's good at and stuck to it, it's a shame Itagaki seemingly let his ego get in the way of continuing to be a well respected developer.
It's all downhill from here.
This whole "you can hook up with a minor but it's totally ok because reasons" thing really needs to stop.
jaundicejuice
Member
Geist aside, Nintendo is usually pretty stringent about maintaining some level of quality but I guess being Tomunobu Itagaki gave him some leeway. Everything probably looked ace from vertical slice (or whatever milestone build was used to pitch and sell Nintendo on publishing) up until beta but then the polish just never happened. You can just imagine some Nintendo attached producer slowly getting more and more freaked out by the bug count increasing as the gold master candidate submission day approached.
"Hey guys, soooo, what the fuck?"
What's weird is NLC and NoE decided to publish it at all if it's as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Nintendo would probably be better if they flat-out cancelled the game and wrote it off. A few grumbling fans with fever dreams of the Itagaki masterpiece that never was is less of a hit than publishing their worst game to date to appease tens of fans.
"Hey guys, soooo, what the fuck?"
What's weird is NLC and NoE decided to publish it at all if it's as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Nintendo would probably be better if they flat-out cancelled the game and wrote it off. A few grumbling fans with fever dreams of the Itagaki masterpiece that never was is less of a hit than publishing their worst game to date to appease tens of fans.
Nintendo Japan is only putting it out through Amazon. That is not a vote of confidence.
Can't believe we went from this to this abomination of ABSOLUTE GENERIC 3rd Person Shooter with Generic and Useless Squad Members.
I mean : just look at the entire section starting at 7:00. The AI, the gunfight, the absence of reactions when the player throw a grenade at their feet, the floating body, the framerate... What went wrong, Itagaki ?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW0EHen1p1w
I need to be fully up front here. The first six minutes of this actually looks decent. The combat seems like it has a bit of novelty in terms of brutality and when set against a less demanding backdrop the game play looks decent.
But it really highlights how much of a shit team Devil's Third received. The opening part, while interesting enough, is eventually bogged down by such jank. It really started becoming clear after early on an enemy clipped through the waterfall.
And the second part... lord almighty. Terrible graphics work, braindead AI, text book chest-high walls, it's absolutely painful to look at. Suddenly none of that early promise amounts to everything and it drops down into monotony. It's like Itagaki saw screenshots of any third person shooter game and asked his team to replicate game play only based on that.
What the hell happened at Valhalla? I can't see how there would be any fan outcry loud enough to make NoA reconsider choosing to find a puppet publisher instead. It looks like an abysmal trainwreck of wasted promise.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Devil's Turd.
Worst animations in a game yet? The grenade throwing animation is a horrific sight.
Gunplay also looks to be diarrhea doodoo. Stick to character action Itagaki :|
what a dick comment, especially when Itagaki had his staff take out mortgages to fund the development of this disaster, hope those guys are gonna be ok
Backfoggen
Banned
Lmfao
Miles Quaritch
Member
He was just firing back at Kamiya for being a dick
The Kamiya salt was real. He knew NG: Black was better than anything he would ever make.
RichiRamjag
Member
Obviously you didn't watch the drum scene. 😂