Glorious Ownage
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If the "blurriness" is a result of the software upscaler on the ps4 can't they make adjustments for that after the fact?
We really can't assume anything in that regard.
If they're happy with the PS4 version, but no the XBO version, it's possible that it's all hands on deck with XBO. Not to say that will be the case at all. Just that who really knows.
Thats so misleading.
With AO I would not be surprised to see 30fps at times on XB1, It's already dipping to mid 30's.
720p vs 900p too. I didn't expect it tbh.
We really can't assume anything in that regard.
If they're happy with the PS4 version, but no the XBO version, it's possible that it's all hands on deck with XBO. Not to say that will be the case at all. Just that who really knows.
Up scaling is a moot point if everything is 1080p.
Up scaling is a moot point if everything is 1080p.
It won't need one after the initial batch of sub-1080p getting-to-grips-with-the-system games are out of the way.Overall I like the PS4 shots slightly better but seriously tell me the PS4 has a quality hardware up scaler equivalent to the 360?
Upscalign on the PS3 was dreadful in comparison
To be fair, the frame rate is more balanced on Xbox One.
I thought the crushed blacks were just due to the limited RGB so my "XB1 filter" was just reducing the color balance to 13-236 range and applying a shapen filter (this is in ImageJ other programs might have better filters).I see what you did there. But i think you botched your work
Crushed blacks and nice sharpen filter. I can't get aliasing since Killzone shots are 1080p with good AA..
Well, if a comparison is being made and one item has had a filter applied that is well known to look "better" to people who hate accurate color representation and image fidelity, that doesn't really set a level playing field, does it?Cheat? If people like the X1 image better that is not a cheat or a trick.
Yeah. Im still torn a little. Ive got both systems ordered and want to cancel one and pick up the other later on. I really love the One TV stuff even though a lot dont. I really cant tell too much of a difference except the One looks a little clearer with more jagged edges. I really dont know what to do. Most of my friends are going One but I dont want to make a bad choice. Son of Mother! This is the only game I really wanted to pick up at launch.
Interesting. I know PS3 and 360 system programmers tend to specify, but I thought PS4 and XBO were close enough that developers wouldn't have specific teams anymore. If that's the case, then I guess it does make sense.It's extremely unlikely people making the PS4 version would be re-assigned to the XB1 version because, they are not experienced in it, it would actually be slower as the experienced with XB1 coders would have to teach the PS4 guys.
What is misleading? Graphs are hard cold data and i took it from the op.
To be fair, the PS4 version drops lower than the XB1 version when the smoke stack falls:
The PS4 version still has aliasing problems, too. Even with the blurry AA applied.
Yeah. Im still torn a little. Ive got both systems ordered and want to cancel one and pick up the other later on. I really love the One TV stuff even though a lot dont. I really cant tell too much of a difference except the One looks a little clearer with more jagged edges. I really dont know what to do. Most of my friends are going One but I dont want to make a bad choice. Son of Mother! This is the only game I really wanted to pick up at launch.
With AO I would not be surprised to see 30fps at times on XB1, It's already dipping to mid 30's.
lol
Man get a load of this junk frame rate on PS4 that's embarrassing
Agreed but based on this and other news we'll have a fare share amount of sub 1080p games on PS4.......not cool especially if the scaler produces a sub par image.
If the "blurriness" is a result of the software upscaler on the ps4 can't they make adjustments for that after the fact?
It isn't not same frame, dude. The explode in XO is more pronounced;lol
Of course it makes it look better, especially in the real world on a 55" TV.Wait what....if resolution doesn't make visuals look better than I just...I don't know what we're talking about here.
Man get a load of this junk frame rate on PS4 that's embarrassing
both versions hold 60 pretty well at least in SP
Repeating for those who missed it
Cheat? If people like the X1 image better that is not a cheat or a trick.
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From the ign vid . The aliasing is due to the sharpening filter on x1 not a blurring filter on ps4. In fact ps4 looks more cinematic and x1 looks more cartoony
Thats so misleading.
Look at the graph from DF. The biggest FPS delta is about 15 FPS with PS4 at 50FPS and XBO at 35FPS.
What is misleading? Graphs are hard cold data and i took it from the op.
Damn that's also badTo be fair, the PS4 version drops lower than the XB1 version when the smoke stack falls:
The PS4 version still has aliasing problems, too. Even with the blurry AA applied.
Its hard to ignore such a huge performance gap.I am really surprise how big the difference .
I assumed the difference wouldn't be linear to theoretical benchmark. So I assumed the difference would be less than 40% at max.
to see greater than 50% count in addition to AA and better frame rate is shocking to me.
Couple of facts after the first comparison thread.
1) developers aren't gimping the more powerful console for parity sake (at least dice didn't) kudos to them
2) The difference between next gen console will be much much bigger than any current gen platform differences
To be fair, the PS4 version drops lower than the XB1 version when the smoke stack falls:
Interesting. I know PS3 and 360 system programmers tend to specify, but I thought PS4 and XBO were close enough that developers wouldn't have specific teams anymore. If that's the case, then I guess it does make sense.
Actually, Killzone runs similarly if not worse in MP. So, yes, they can still tout 60 fps multiplayer, but it is in no way stable. The "24 players dropping grenades" thing is BS.
I actually kind of am a semi-seasoned AV professional and have the gear and 10 years of experience to back that up.
Is it me or does BF4 on the PS4/XBO actually look beautiful? I expected this game to look like dog shit.
PS4 is better at... everything. Better framerate, AA, etc. etc.Can anyone give me a tl;dr on what we've learned, aside from 900p?
As we all have said in the last couple of monthsI am really surprise how big the difference .
I assumed the difference wouldn't be linear to theoretical benchmark. So I assumed the difference would be less than 40% at max.
to see greater than 50% count in addition to AA and better frame rate is shocking to me.
Couple of facts after the first comparison thread.
1) developers aren't gimping the more powerful console for parity sake (at least dice didn't) kudos to them
2) The difference between next gen console will be much much bigger than any current gen platform differences
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From the ign vid . The aliasing is due to the sharpening filter on x1 not a blurring filter on ps4. In fact ps4 looks more cinematic and x1 looks more cartoony
Are you basing your opinion on the Single player footage? Everyone is using the Multiplayer footage as a basis. Which according to Jack Frags is no comparison. Better frame rate on PS4 with the double the pixel density.
The single player stuff is, to me whatever, because it's within a controlled environment. Meaning certain effects and assets are used just for cinema tics, and linear levels. Much more controlled performance for both boxes. Where it matters is in a less controlled environment. Meaning people playing online exploiting the game. There are no predefined animations for characters, no timed explosions, and set pieces. The level's can get destroyed in real time by "Multiple" variables.
This is where frame rate and Image quality count. And this is where we see the PS4 version shine.
Why in the world did you expect that lol? The consoles are multitudes more powerful than the 360/PS3, I would expect them to look damn good.Is it me or does BF4 on the PS4/XBO actually look beautiful? I expected this game to look like dog shit.
You mean DICE?I don't like whatever AA they're using for the PS4 version. Probably not something that would keep me from getting the game, but it looks like they smeared vaseline over everything. I assume that could also be an issue from the sub-1080p signal being upscaled to 1080p, but either way, not a fan of how blurry it looks. Fix this shit, Guerrilla!
Can anyone give me a tl;dr on what we've learned, aside from 900p?
as I just said in this post. richer colors and sharper image are all a result of sharpness being cranked up and contrast and brightness being messed with. It's mostly an ugly effect that simply makes things "pop" more than actually making them better. You can accomplish the same thing on PS4 (or PC) by just cranking up the sharpness on your TV, lowering brightness and cranking up contrast. It's literally the exact same thing. Difference is it's your choice on the PS4 (by adjusting your TV). On XBONE it's just the image you are given.I have a PS4 pre ordered, launch edition, on amazon.
Every single one of the pics in the OP, I preferred the XO version as I thought the images were sharper and the colors were richer. I am not reading the whole thread and I know there's some controversy regarding how DF did their work, can someone please quickly summarize what the controversy is?