whats the cons? One con i guess which is price. Others?
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
DF: Nier Automata PS4/PS4 Pro Final Code Comparison + Frame-Rate Test
- Thread starter LordOfLore
- Start date
whats the cons? One con i guess which is price. Others?
Some of it definitely seems to be related to loading.
killatopak
Member
DF should test if having an SSD alleviates those problems if so.
Or maybe it's RAM? I dunno.
nelsonroyale
Member
Thanks for this. It has made me more excited for the game.
Go ask your father
meltingparappa
Member
I was thinking/hoping the same, but I can only imagine there are tons of reasons why'd there be a bottle neck.
An SSD benefits the time it takes to load assets on a blank loading screen, but maybe has no improvement on the performance strain when loading in real time.
Mr Moose
Member
There is no screen tearing in the video shown.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Well I noticed that in the demo, The cutscenes even have the aliaising of the PS4 version, then when the gameplay comes suddenly the alisaisng disappears and the IQ gets better due to the higher resolution.
Plus it looks like it still runs better than most of their console efforts in the past... for what that's worth.
Gonna have a good time with this on my Pro
That's so damn weird. 99% of the time games use the best platform available to make cutscenes out of. I wonder if the cutscenes had already been pre rendered before they got their pro units. Are the cutscenes that demanding that a ps4 couldn't do them in real time?
Why wouldn't they use the PC version to render the cutscenes?
cut scene being 900p probably means the game was very far into development when they have to add pro support. Still sucks but I guess reshade on PC can also apply smaa to the video cut scenes. Personally I hate pre recorded videos unless its high quality CG, they takes up tons of space on the HDD and compression quality is always very bad. They should have done most cut scene in real time, nothing from the demo looks impossible even on standard ps4. Gravity Rush 2 is also another game that uses pre recorded videos, which is even more lame consider you get to wear different outfit in game but they don't show up in cut scene.
You're asking what I'm asking. Who the hell knows.
Didn't like that about Gravity Rush 2, the compression was really poor. Kingdom Hearts .2 also seems to use a lot of pre-rendered cutscenes, so you can't see your customized Aqua in cutscenes.
killatopak
Member
Cutscenes were probably made when ps4 was the only platform announced which means they were very far in development. The game got delayed after all. Probably to avoid FFXV.
Didn't stop bayonneta from scoring high and in Nier's case it looks to be scoring high from the few reviews I have seen. Scores were mostly 90+.
Didn't stop bayonneta from scoring high and in Nier's case it looks to be scoring high from the few reviews I have seen. Scores were mostly 90+.
Yeah. 900p. No AA and 30fps. They look terrible.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Wait is this coming to PC?
killatopak
Member
Yes but they're witholding information on release date.
Better get ready for that injector then
... and people ask what the advantage of an exclusive marketing deal would be.
killatopak
Member
The game already has a day one patch. I dunno if the patch is exclusive to na/eu release but if it isn't don't expect a patch for a few weeks.
Better get ready for that injector then
It could be glorious. I can think of more games that suffered it like Lord of Shadows with 720p noAA cinematics.
How could you guess a cinematic is running? Injecting the specific decoder?
Leaked date pointed to the 10th of March, but nothing confirmed.
Sony likely holds the exclusive marketing rights, which restricts information on the PC version until after the PS4 release. This practice has occurred multiple times, though impossible to explicitly prove other than past precedent and obvious intent.
Generally, I'd assume the frame to be uploaded from the host to a 1600x900 buffer on the GPU in a specific format before being presented. You'd run the AA right after data is transferred to the buffer.
KimonoNoNo
Member
shinobi602
Member
That's disappointing.
michaelius
Banned
Cutscenes are 900p on Pro and pc ?
Ehh when will devs learn?
Ehh when will devs learn?
killatopak
Member
tbf we don't really know if the pc is 900p as well.
Usually games that do that don't change screen resolution for cinematics but scale video decoding to game resolution. Surely you will find a way btw
Spooky Scary Skeleton
Member
Even if I get the PC version, I doubt it can run any better on 970 card...
BRSxIgnition
Member
Playing on the pro (digital) and I only really experience big drops/jitter when loading a new new main area or in a big fight with lots of particle effects.
Regardless, while it may not be the prettiest game to look at sometimes, I can't help but get pulled into the world and characters, really enjoying the game so far. (On route B currently.)
Regardless, while it may not be the prettiest game to look at sometimes, I can't help but get pulled into the world and characters, really enjoying the game so far. (On route B currently.)
Good chance the performance issues are caused by CPU constraints.
DarkLordMalik
Member
The pro support here is incredibly disappointing to say the least. I expected better or atleast locked 60 fps.
Gold_Loot
Member
There's a Bayonetta 2 !?
killatopak
Member
Well yes, that is the scenario I am describing. The video data would get uploaded to a texture which is the native resolution of the video in question. (And then later rendered to the screen)
After the upload is where you'd run the AA.
Spooky Scary Skeleton
Member
Is it possible that the engine/game itself is just not optimized? I mean, if games like Horizon Zero Dawn can run on PS4 pro flawlessly, then I'd imagine game like this could do the same.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
CPU constraints don't explain 900p on standard PS4.
Of course it's not perfectly optimized -- but that's besides the point of determining which hardware components are the bottleneck in which situation. There will still be one or more component which, if more powerful, would improve the framerate. Determining which those are is interesting from a technical perspective, and also to estimate what you can expect on a given PC in terms of resolution/IQ/framerate.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Can't wait for the PC release.
Gold_Loot
Member
I was joking , but it's pretty telling how undersold this game is.
Is it really? Platinum have made some good games, but they're hardly technical masters. Everyone's quick to defend them with "rushed" or "budget" but let's face it, a lot of their games struggle.
That said, the pro looks and (for the majority) runs better. Real shame about low-res cut scenes though.
Everyone is talking about those cutscenes, but are they in real time to begin with?
I play on a 1440p monitor and one of the most jarring things is jumping from gameplay with nice AA/Downsampling to pre-recorded Bink Vídeo cutscenes. I can't imagine how it's going to be when we jump to 4k monitors in a few years.
I play on a 1440p monitor and one of the most jarring things is jumping from gameplay with nice AA/Downsampling to pre-recorded Bink Vídeo cutscenes. I can't imagine how it's going to be when we jump to 4k monitors in a few years.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
The demo looked and ran really well on Pro, and other than an odd hitch, looks like full game is the same way. I'm not complaining.
No, sadly they are videos captured from base PS4. 900p, no AA and 30FPS to boot. Real shame how they handled that.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Better get ready for that injector then
... and people ask what the advantage of an exclusive marketing deal would be.
You know what? I thought I was in a different thread. I knew Nier was coming to PC mid March.
I was thinking that I was in a Horizon thread. Guess I'll be keeping that pre-order. lol