dragonfart28
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Looking at the graphics so far, I'm hardpressed to believe that Wii U cannot accomplish what XB1 has done so far.
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DF: Xbone Specs/Tech Analysis: GPU 33% less powerful than PS4
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gundamkyoukai
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Still Durante the OS is confirm being 3GB .
So even if they thought they could get 4GB it would have been 1 left back for games .
They would have had to change there plans on certain things which is what they did not want to do .
SolsticeZero
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That on-chip RAM in the One ain't cheap, though. So it'll definitely add to the BOM.
i'd be willing to bet the majority of people have old boxes that do not support cec. christ, 4 years ago comcast could only give me a box with component out
brain_stew
Member
There's no extra work required. They can make games look better by changing a couple of lines of code or do nothing and let their game run with a higher and/or more stable framerate. Even the most cynical efforts will be better on PS4.
Stoffinator
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Yes of course. But they talked about some exclusive content for the Xbox One version.
SolsticeZero
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Comcast mostly uses some ancient Scientific Atlanta boxes (you know the one. It's silver) that basically had HDMI added as an afterthought.
H_Prestige
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If MS had all this money to moneyhat every possible thing...wouldn't they just use that money to build a system on par or better than the ps4 in the first place?
This MS moneyhatting fantasy needs to die.
Or maybe they just have shitty providers with a monopoly. My Comcast has super outdated boxes, but all you get with the website is instructions to wait a little longer for newer models to be supported in the area.
As for renting, good luck. It's not like you can buy used boxes. I looked into replacing the cable modem. I could get one fairly cheap online. But it's not just that Comcast refuses to authorize any modem that's been used, they'll only authorize a single new modem. And it has to be done at Best Buy. It's 150 dollars. That's a real rip off compared to buying the identical model elsewhere, but at least it's an option. But, oh wait. You can't buy it online. It has to be at a Best Buy with a mini-Comcast store inside it. Despite a ton of Best Buy's around me, the closest one with a mini-Comcast store is 150 miles away. These fucks have you by the balls and exploit it to keep you renting.
dragonfart28
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With this kind of gulf in power, can the XB1 still be considered a Next Gen console?
exactly
It's just a matter of turning up settings basically seeing how close these consoles are. Or just better fps with same settings.
Wii U can do this? Sign me the fuck up cuz my Wii U games don't look anything like this......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r46D1lRpO1k
Man-is-Obsolete
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Cmon Sony deliver! Anyone else excited for some live demos at E3?
Dis gunna be goooooooood.
Dis gunna be goooooooood.
dragonfart28
Banned
Wii U version of NFS already looks about as good.
SolsticeZero
Banned
Yes, because it'll at least get the same games the PS4 has. The WiiU on the other hand, is very much a current gen console with a fancy controller. We'll see more out of XB1 games at E3. At least, we should see more. It might just be more TV.
It remains to be seen whether XBone can do it either. Because that's a worthless trailer that may look nothing like that in reality.
Let me guess, You think GT6 surpasses this in every way possible.
Dreams-Visions
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So here is the question:
How will this 33% power deficit with the One affect PS4 versions of multiplat titles?
Will they be held back? Will they simply see improved framerates? Toss in an extra particle effect here and there? We saw this generation several instances where the PS3 got the shit end of the stick on ports. We know a lot of that had to do with the difficulty of development vs the ease of the 360, so I'm wondering what we should expect this time around. Aren't games usually developed for the least common denominator, which in this case will be the One?
How will this 33% power deficit with the One affect PS4 versions of multiplat titles?
Will they be held back? Will they simply see improved framerates? Toss in an extra particle effect here and there? We saw this generation several instances where the PS3 got the shit end of the stick on ports. We know a lot of that had to do with the difficulty of development vs the ease of the 360, so I'm wondering what we should expect this time around. Aren't games usually developed for the least common denominator, which in this case will be the One?
If you think MS will allow a better port on the PS4, you are brain dead. They actually had an agreement this generation that no games would look better than the 360 version. They will hamstring the developers, and the developers will take it.
Because MS will make it worth their while. End users will suffer, though most sheep will have no idea and run to MS with fistfuls of cash for the latest CoD installment which looks no better than the previous one.
JohnnySasaki86
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This is my theory I posted last night in another thread. I see DF shares my thoughts exactly!
I'm probably a bit dense, but the idea with Sony's architecture was that the GDDR memory was shared between the CPU and GPU right? How does that work with MS' 8GB of DDR? Is that the total amount split between the CPU and GPU? If so what's the split? Or is it for the CPU and does the GPU have extra RAM?
SolsticeZero
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More stable framerates, extra particles, higher resolution, etc.
Shai-Tan
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and those boxes were end of line at that point. The boxes they have now are two generations newer. sure a lot of people keep old boxes that continue to be compatible but a lot of people can also upgrade them for free
The silicon budget for the Xbox One wasn't necessarily smaller than the PS4, they just didn't make as good a use of it. Probably because they were aiming for an earlier launch.
Also buying exclusives is much cheaper. To double the RAM on the 360 they had to spend what - 1 billion? Exclusive content on GTA IV was rumored to cost them 50 million dollars, which they got back in royalties. Much cheaper.
There's no fantasy at all here that Microsoft can spend money to make exclusives, even Jack Tretton has said as much.
I don't think he's being serious with those posts.
This is my theory I posted last night in another thread. I see DF shares my thoughts exactly!
You should sue.
SolsticeZero
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You're really underestimating the penny-pinching capability of Comcast. If you subscribe for HD service, but don't want to pay the DVR fee, they still give you that component box. This happened to me when I got them six months ago. When I asked for something with HDMI, he said I had to upgrade to the DVR.
There really is no question that PS4 multiplats will be better with such a difference in power.
The digital foundry article already suggests that the One RAM architechture is more complex to program for since its not unified like the PS4.
The question is how much better.
It's a torture for me until the launch. & I'm living in europe. Every day it's a sad day without to know when coming out here.
The 8GB is shared between CPU and GPU like on PS4. There's no hard split, it's up to the application what it wants to allocate memory for.
Bandwidth isn't so unified on Xbox One though.
Smelly Tramp
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it's all about popularity in regards to software sales on each platform.
if the ps4 is the runaway winner there will be a big difference, and developers will use that extra power to great effect, and the xbox version will be essentially gimped.
if the xbox is the runaway winner then they'll build for that and the ps4 version will have slightly better effects & gfx, and will essentially be an upscaled gimped version.
just depends where the customers are.
So, from what we've heard here, the silicon budget for both the XBone and PS4 are roughly the same. What would explain the discrepency in terms of GPU performance? Does the XBone's eSRAM reside on the main die? In that case, maybe it took up space that could have been otherwise dedicated to those 6 extra CUs.
Angelus Errare
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Winner
Barack Lesnar
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Are they just speculating here? Interesting stuff, especially the last paragraph... "down to the wire".
I think the answer to his question will be greatly simplified this gen. As the architectures are virtually identical, developers are likely going to utilize the PS4's extra power for entirely scalable purposes: better anti-aliasing, better texture filtering, or better resolution are the obvious choices.
You could run PS4 games at a 33% higher resolution for free, in essence, and it wouldn't require any added work on the developer's part.
It really will be as easy as flicking a switch but the difference wont be quite PS2/XBOX level.
This is what puzzles me the most
I have not watched live tv in 10 years, stream all my media from the Internet (Netflix and so on). More and more people are doing the same in Sweden
Sweden also has very good broadband connections, almost everyone has 24mbit+
Live tv will be dead, killed by streaming media in 10 years here... The rest of the world will follow
What is MS thinking?!
I have not watched live tv in 10 years, stream all my media from the Internet (Netflix and so on). More and more people are doing the same in Sweden
Sweden also has very good broadband connections, almost everyone has 24mbit+
Live tv will be dead, killed by streaming media in 10 years here... The rest of the world will follow
What is MS thinking?!
AstroNut325
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I haven't followed this entire thread. Has Jeff Rigby put his two cents in? I'm really interested in the prospects of HDMI feed-thru for the PS4. I remember Jeff bringing that up multiple times and it's possibilities with the PS4.
Kinect technology cost. That's all.
No, that is irrelevant considering Kinect has no impact on the main die's silicon budget.
I think the eSRAM is the likely culprit.
Xplatformer
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Wait, what?
You're
1. Giving Microsoft way too much power over 3rd party developers
2. Dice , Bungie and Crytek ain't bowing down to Microsoft
He'll...I'd bet money Call of Duty Ghost will look or run better on PS4 than it will on xone even though cod was at Microsoft's unveiling.
But theoretically, DDR is better (or at least easier) for things like AI right? I know that stuff is peanuts compared to what you need to render a frame, but still. Theoretically there could be a few games that benefit from the One's setup?
(just trying to throw an xbone to the MS fanboys here)
(just trying to throw an xbone to the MS fanboys here)
Uh what? It depends how much easy is to increase some effect on ps4. There is no reason to downgrade a version even if xboxone will sell more. It's like to have a better gpu in the pc.
DDR3 is no different than GDDR5. They simply defer in terms of specifications somewhat. GDDR5 has higher bandwidth, while DDR3 has lower latency.
The XBone could especially benefit from situations where data that is often accessed is small enough to reside in eSRAM but too larger to reside in the L2 Cache. Whether or not that situation might arise in a game, I do not know.
famfrit
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The marketing of maths.