This is what Amazon had to say when supplied with generalities:
interesting, but a lot gaffers who ordered their PS4's from Amazon has been experiencing the same issues.
This is what Amazon had to say when supplied with generalities:
I'd say the jury is still out on that. And I say that while having two PS4s from Amazon that both work perfectly. These consoles haven't been out long enough to know for sure. It took about 5 months for my launch 360 to fall to the RROD and still then I saw posts just like yours trying to downplay the problem.This is a good exemple of ''silent majority'' thing. People who gets their ps4 broken are mad ans flood forums and bad reviews on internet. People who gets their ps4 working actually don't care about reviewing it on amazon and says ''it works !!' cause its normal.
This isn't representative of any ratio. Same things for gaf.
Define "a lot"interesting, but a lot gaffers who ordered their PS4's from Amazon has been experiencing the same issues.
Just for the sake of adding information:
My friend manages a GS, and of the 140ish consoles they had for launch there was only 1 call about a defective one as of the afternoon.
Looks like it could be more than .4%. Wow.
Looks like it could be more than .4%. Wow.
This appears to be being blown way out of proportion, which is no surprise. Even if there were 500 or 1000 negative reviews on amazon it would be a fraction of what they have shipped. Human nature means those that are unhappy complain, and those that are happy say nothing. This launch is virtually no different than any other.
Define "a lot"
Not this shit again. Every consumer electronics has a default rate. If it's 0,4 % or 0,7 % that's actually pretty good compared to basically everything.
I'm saying they could've placed an order yesterday and then cancelled shortly thereafter to get a verified tag.
Just fyi, I can state with 100% confidence that Amazon had at least 200k units to sell. So keep that number as a low-end baseline when you start trying to figure out the percentage of defective units...
The internet was big in 2005/06 but you can't compare to just how much bigger it has gotten since then. NeoGaf and Amazon are even more prominent than they were, even if they were pominent then as well.I'm fairly sure NeoGAF and Amazon reviews were really quite prominent back in 2005/6 too, even if Twitter and Facebook weren't around. And it's not like we haven't had 3DS, Vita and Wii U in recent years too, not with the same extent of reports of units not working out of the box.
Regardless, I'm hoping this was just a one-off faulty batch, and not something that will affect all/most PS4 units down the line like RROD. It was a PITA having to send my 360 to Germany and waiting for a replacement, especially given Blue Dragon had just released at the time. Bastards.
True, but that's still a worryingly large amount of complaints in a short space of time. Sure some will be fake/trolling but even accounting for that, it's quite a bit more than normal imo. WiiU for example didn't have anything like that did it? (No jokes, it sold a lot at launch)
I'm monitoring this closely as mine is on preorder with Amazon UK. Might be tempted to cancel and wait till new year if this escalates.
Silly thought. Isn't amazon one of the biggest online retailers? If they sold the most on lens wouldn't they also have the highest failure rate?check the other thread, and check reddit as well, vast majority of them Amazon orders.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=716732
check the other thread, and check reddit as well, vast majority of them Amazon orders.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=716732
Silly thought. Isn't amazon one of the biggest online retailers? If they sold the most on lens wouldn't they also have the highest failure rate?
check the other thread, and check reddit as well, vast majority of them Amazon orders.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=716732
Failure rates :
Xbox 360 54.2%
Playstation 3 10.6%
Wii 6.8%
PS4 : 0,7 % ? (see calculation above)
Looks really low until now...
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2009/08/17/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-reaches-54
Ok so here are the stats : it's 0,71 % default rate here, so perfectly acceptable, case closed.
For comparison sake, Xbox 360 had 45 % default rate if I remember correctly.
Failure rates :
Xbox 360 54.2%
Playstation 3 10.6%
Wii 6.8%
PS4 - 0.7 % ? (see calculation above, 1 on 140 in a shop)
Looks really low until now...
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2009/08/17/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-reaches-54
interesting, but a lot gaffers who ordered their PS4's from Amazon has been experiencing the same issues.
I think what DistortionOfReality was trying to tell you is that you don't have perspective on how the launches were during 1995, 2000, 2004, 2006 were in terms of internet presence.
wait a sec...
the fail rate for a first gen 360 was high, but at least you could play it for 4 months or so before it started happening....
these PS4's don't even work at first boot!
wait a sec...
the fail rate for a first gen 360 was high, but at least you could play it for 4 months or so before it started happening....
these PS4's don't even work at first boot!
And what are the numbers concerning the amazon orders that are working fine?
Even if 10,000 people on reddit said their PS4 was DOA. If amazon sold 1,000,000 thats still only 1%, which is well within normal for a mass produced consumer electronics device.
The way people are talking about this you'd think we had another 360 on our hands...lol. We MIGHT do, i'm not saying it's impossible, but right now it's just fear mongering and people with an agenda WANTING it to be a RROD situation so they can point and laugh.
It's been a single day since launch. How about we wait a while before crying into our pillow?
wait a sec...
the fail rate for a first gen 360 was high, but at least you could play it for 4 months or so before it started happening....
these PS4's don't even work at first boot!
It's still an assumption based on thinking all 140 of those units were bought, immediately hooked up and used fairly extensively. Many people are just buying stuff as gifts.
And the 360 didn't have a 45% defect rate on DAY ONE. Nothing would ever be that bad.
It's way too early to be freaking out over this, but I find all the people trying to use math and figure out percentages odd. Those will not be remotely accurate.
wait a sec...
the fail rate for a first gen 360 was high, but at least you could play it for 4 months or so before it started happening....
these PS4's don't even work at first boot!
Yeah it's a rough estimate, 140 consoles are not enough of a sample.
Still, why be worried about <1 % defect rate if every console default rate was bigger before ?
Between PS4 and Knack I'm honestly starting to think that Cerny sold Sony a lie, and that he's way out of his depth considering the pedestal they (and we) have put him on. Or they (and we) were stupid and desperate.
There weren't even this many RRoDs on launch day. I have a very bad feeling about this.
Because this is after 1 day and there's not enough of a pool of data for ps4 yet. I can only compare it to 1 day afterlaunch, for which I don't remember anything like that many complaints.WiiU
LOL
you realize they didn't ship 500 consoles right?
I get that. I'm comparing PS4's review/failure ratio to platforms released relatively recently like 360 S, 3DS, Vita, Wii U, and new tech generally. If accurate, and not some monstrously underhanded PR/FUD assault by competition, it does portray PS4 in a very poor light.
Or some people are genuinely concerned?
I'm not saying it's a huge deal right now, but cultivating this environment of reflexively writing of anything negative about PS4 as trolling/hyperbole is dangerous. Lets not do that.
If people are trying to blow this up, fine; shoot 'em down because as of now it's not a big deal.
But if people are really concerned, this is a good place to discuss, look at the numbers and analyse. Consumers have a right to do that.
And maybe the only default was a user error. So maybe the default is closer to zero, who knows.
My point is everybody is shouting to the sky the house is burning while the defect rate seems actually pretty good compared to nearly every piece of consumer electronics nowadays.
Especially compared to last gen consoles. If the defect rate was bad, with 1 million consoles out, you would have a lot more than a handful of posts on GAF and a lot more than 170 bad user ratings on Amazon. Those are strong anecdotal evidence that there is no widespread problem at all with PS4 hardware. 1% of 1 million is 10 000 after all.
Still, I agree we'll have to wait for some time before we conclude it's actually good.
You don't remember but it happened the same way since it happens with EVERY consumer electronics.
Oh, concern is fine. I'm worried myself being a UK buyer in 2 weeks time. BUT...i'm not looking at these dud consoles are going "OMG, almost half of them bust be defective" or thinking we have some 30% failure rate on our hands like the 360. And similarly, if i, myself receive a dud unit, i know it means very little when for every defect there is potentially 10,000 working consoles.
Being on that failure pile can be disheartening, i've been there, surface pro (day 1 dud) and 360 to name 2. But i'm not going to jump to conclusions over it. So far this is all normal. You get it replaced and all is well. If things change however, then yeah, we can start making the bold claims.
I prefer it this way, to be honest. You can get a refund or change the console
But what if other units start to fail in next few weeks?
Failure rates :
Xbox 360 54.2%
Playstation 3 10.6%
Wii 6.8%
PS4 - 0.7 % ? (see calculation above, 1 on 140 in a shop)
Looks really low until now...
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2009/08/17/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-reaches-54