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Did Maverick kill Goose?
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XiaNaphryz
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In the making of documentary, they were initially supposed to be North Korean, but were then made to be generic. At the time, skirmishes with Arab nations was just as big a worry and also at the forefront of people's minds (i.e. Libya), there's also people who think that regardless of whoever the enemy host country could have ended up being the craft still could have been piloted by Soviets as was done in previous wars like Korea and Vietnam.
Of course, given what was depicted in the movie makes the enemy force being Soviets highly unlikey. Any major engagement with the USSR at the time would have like;y involved a lot heavier force attacking (they had a large supersonic bomber fleet for attacking carrier forces with longer range anti-ship missiles - hell, decades before the time of the movie they had anti-ship missles with triple the range of the Exocet), plus any sort of action that occurred would have inevitably led to a heavier response in multiple theaters ultimately resulting in nuclear exchange.
But as it has been repeated throughout the thread, Hollywood doesn't care about that sort of thing.
That feels like bollocks too. It's like any movie with a chase/race scene - the secret to going faster is to change down a gear and floor the gas. So basically in movies, everyone starts in the highest gear and works their way down? Its just a basic mechanism that viewers can kind of hook onto and think 'oh, they're doing a thing that means a thing'.
DonasaurusRex
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mmmm actually maverick was finally sticking with his wingman that day usually he burns out and finds something on his own to kill. Icemans methods were too slow for him , I dont know if they were trying to say Mav was too close or anything close formations arent uncommon.
Robin64
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Shouldn't this happen more often if the mechanisim is to launch the canopy upwards and then the pilots follow? Just seems like ejecting is pretty dangeous.
thesoapster
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Maverick couldn't help but try and ride Iceman's ass. Goose couldn't handle the Danger Zone.
Triggerhappytel
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And then after the final conflict when Maverick beats a bunch of bogeys and chases the rest away, all of a sudden he's returning to Top Gun to be a teacher/trainer for other pilots...?! Never understood that aspect.
Maverick also kills Dumbledore.
IISANDERII
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^Yeah weren't the planes in the film just models? So why didn't they use models of MiGs?
Not that there's anything wrong with that..
LOL
Bizarre, I never got that impression at all. People see what they want to see? Projecting?
Not that there's anything wrong with that..
Victim blaming ffs
legacyzero
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Nobody? REALLY?
Ok I will....
Also: #TeamMaverick
Ok I will....
Also: #TeamMaverick
So the MiG was like the AK-47 of fighter jets?
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
No, they captured a bunch of random footage when they filmed with the Navy and they ended up cutting and editing together various bits from all of it to end up with the final result. The explosions and whatnot were of course models. The cockpit footage of course was captured on the ground with cockpit rigs and bluescreen.
More people need to watch that Making Of documentary.
The US and other NATO forces sold a bunch of planes to other countries as well. Not sure which plane was the most widely spread, but I don't think there was one prevalent enough to make the AK analogy work.
Pretty much.
Lucky Forward
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I think it was that documentary that featured the Navy officer who was assigned to be a liaison to Top Gun in order to ensure it was "accurate". He said some of the other officers were hearing about things like Maverick falling in love with his instructor and Tony Scott moving the classroom desks into the hangar, and they asked him, "What the hell is going on with that movie?" His reply was something like, "Guys, at this point I'm just trying to keep them from turning it into a musical."
thesoapster
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The Mig? Oh boy.
Can't compare to the "F"
MiG is just the maker, there's a series, like f 14, f18, f22s etc
Nvm, colonel explained it better
ColonelSkills
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In any given average engagement, surviving when out numbered is incredibly unlikely. Triumphing even less so.
The point in the movie is to showcase that "who gives a fuck about all that, Tom Cruise is so god damn manly he'd get out and punch the airplanes to death if he had to. Look at the size of his volleyball-scale testicles."
And nothing spells success more than passing that on, I suppose.
Not quite analogous. Using a car analogy that pains me to make, it's closer to saying that MiG is actually a make, not a model.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan
Still not analogous. Here's a counter-example.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2010/july/LockheedMartinF-16ReadyFo.html
Ok, I fuckin' lolled at work.
A counter example to what? That the Mig 21 was sold all over the world and in dozens of variants?
I'm sure that there Northrop F5's single and double seaters used as the Mig's as weren't they referred to as Mig 28's in the film. Not that I've seen it in ages.
ColonelSkills
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That the MiG-21 is the "AK-47" of aircraft.
My point is simply that manufacturing of these platforms (and then subsequently selling them to a huge list of other countries with a large number of variants) isn't unique to the Fishbed, supersonic jets, or Russian aircraft in general.
Of course it isn't. I don't think anyone claimed it is, I certainly didn't. That is utterly besides the point of the comparison. The AK47 isn't unique either, the M16 family and FAL family are similar in many ways. The question was about a model of plane that was like the ak47 in that it was sold all over the world, a Soviet or Russian one in particular. The Mig 21 fills those criteria. The AK47 is much like the Fishbed. Manufactured by a company in one form then updated over many years into other models that are visually very similar and sold all over the world.
You could make the same comparison with the F16 if you want, except it isn't Russian.
I still don't know what a random marketing press release from 2010 is proving.
ColonelSkills
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In the quote chain above, someone asked that question. About "The AK of fighter jets".
I merely was responding down the block of quotes to this and the original assertion. The AK is, far and away, the most popular family of assault rifles in the world. To the point where there are arguably more of those and their family in production than all other AR platforms combined.
I was simply trying to say that this scale of one sided popularity doesn't exist in this space.
It looked like, originally, you were refuting Xia's comment. If that context was misunderstood, then there was a misunderstanding somewhere.
My link was a showcase for the fact that the same example could be made of the F-16. (Or, if one dug further, several other platforms.) That's it.
That's all I was trying to say.
Edit: To elaborate, the point was just to prove that there's no direct analog to the rifle here. Not that the Fishbed wasn't insanely popular or as widely produced as it was.
This made me laugh at loud...Bwahaha good work.
I wasn't refuting his point, I was providing an example in answer to his statement of uncertainty.
Here is the quote:
Prevalent means widespread. The Mig 21 was widespread, and has the highest production numbers of any supersonic aircraft. If you want the most common combat jet, that is another Mig product, the Mig15.
So all the post really was was a statement that the Mig21 was insanely popular and sold all over the world, just like the AK series of rifles. And any number of other things, but we were discussing Mig aircraft in particular.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Yep, I was just replying to the statement that the planes used in the film were models. A lot of the aerial footage was captured using real planes.
crazygambit
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Not if the plane is moving forward while the pilot ejects. Like lifting the top of a convertible at high speed, the wind will rip it open and pull it back. The problem here was the dead spin didn't let that happen.
ColonelSkills
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I am well aware of what the word prevalent means, thanks.
I was giving context of scale. That's it.
I haven't said anything about it's production numbers, because I'm not trying to deny, obfuscate, or otherwise redirect on that. I'm not sure how much clearer I can be, here.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Yep, that's the one.
poppabk
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Phoenix
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Wake turbulence (i.e. jet wash) incidents are actually very rare and don't just "happen" because one plane is following too close to another. So the panel may have concluded that even given the aggressive nature of Mavericks actions (which would be expected from a combat pilot), under normal circumstances it shouldn't have been an issue and was thus unforeseeable by the pilot.
it is funny then that getting in the jet wash happens twice in the movie to Maverick
TangoAlphaLima
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I have a major project due and I couldn't help myself.
Very nice. Now do one with Doge.
That took me an hour. I'm SunhiLoser.
TangoAlphaLima
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Holy shit. I had no idea animated gif craftsmanship took such effort. You must love Dick Butt.
Lucky Forward
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Oops, corrected.
In undergrad I wrote a 25+ page term paper on Top Gun and capitalist brainwashing in the media. I wrote it as a complete lark but my professor LOVED it. I'm still giggly about it because it's such a stupid topic and I managed to write a paper that large about it.
Basically, Maverick didn't kill Goose, capitalist brainwashing making Goose think his nation was always under threat put him in that cockpit. I mean, he said it himself... that trucking school was hiring.
Basically, Maverick didn't kill Goose, capitalist brainwashing making Goose think his nation was always under threat put him in that cockpit. I mean, he said it himself... that trucking school was hiring.
Darth Pinche
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Goose cashed the check that Maverick's ego wrote.
As an aside, I went to see Top Gun last year when it was released in IMAX 3D. Simply some of the best 3D I've seen, you felt like you were inside the cockpit in the aerial battles. And it made the volleyball/lockeroom scenes even more surreal. On the whole a simultaneously amazing and ridiculous experience.
As an aside, I went to see Top Gun last year when it was released in IMAX 3D. Simply some of the best 3D I've seen, you felt like you were inside the cockpit in the aerial battles. And it made the volleyball/lockeroom scenes even more surreal. On the whole a simultaneously amazing and ridiculous experience.
Phoenix
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Indeed. Hell the way they portrayed it, your best course of action when pursued by other aircraft is to just move erratically so they get caught in the wake and crash.
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