I do see a lot of console gamers say they're fine with 30fps and better graphics/resolutions/IQ. I'm one of them. I like 60fps, but 30fps doesn't stop me from buying and enjoying games. I would have never even liked Halo in the first place if it did.
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Digital Foundry: Hands-on with Halo 5: Guardians
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I do see a lot of console gamers say they're fine with 30fps and better graphics/resolutions/IQ. I'm one of them. I like 60fps, but 30fps doesn't stop me from buying and enjoying games. I would have never even liked Halo in the first place if it did.
I used to feel the exact same way, up until I played all 5 Halos at 60fps. There's no going back now.
I mean I think it looks cool, nice looking explosions, cool fight with the hunters, lots of thing happening and the framerate stays stable.
It's possible to think something is unimpressive without acting like a dick about it.
Yeah, is that Halo 3?
Windom Earle
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Well, it's true that the tone is not the nicest. I agree with him that it's not super impressive in terms of alpha effects/particles though.
samurai1226
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I don't get how people think this game looks bad. For 60fps this looks amazing, here are some shots from the video from the press site, not the bad youtube quality
Ok Blue Team level doesn't look as good as the Enemy Lines level, I must agree
Ok Blue Team level doesn't look as good as the Enemy Lines level, I must agree
RedSparrows
Member
True, but if H5 had gone a different way, 30fps and nicer looking, you and your fellows would be replaced with those complaining about lack of 60. There are no perfect solutions when it cones to the voracious hordes of gamers. Broad, weird church.
AgentP
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That was a poor example of trying to impress, sorry. A small room, a few things on screen and a couple of low res small explosions? Show me a large outdoor battle with dozens of combatants and something actually happening! Halo made its name with large sandbox battles right?
But sure, attack the messenger for speaking the truth...
Good on them for prioritising framerate. They've clearly sacrificed a lot to get the game to where it is now, but kudos to 343 on managing it.
Though tbh, Halo 4's problems were nothing to do with being 30fps, so it'll be interesting to see if they've made similar efforts to improve on the gameplay and level design as well.
Are his "fellows" made of straw by any chance?
Though tbh, Halo 4's problems were nothing to do with being 30fps, so it'll be interesting to see if they've made similar efforts to improve on the gameplay and level design as well.
Are his "fellows" made of straw by any chance?
Yeah, it looks improved visually over the E3 build -- especially AA, but that 60fps is still coming with a sacrifice to the resolution. If the game can hit 1344x1080 most of the way through, then I'll be extremely satisfied with the results. H2A looked good to me with its res. Maybe I'll be caught up in the action and the solid frame-rate, to notice or care when it drops. I'll see in a month.
We will attack the messenger when it's a toxic ass poster known to shit up threads going back to last gen.
If the only thing you see in that scene is a rocket explosion, then I guess there is nothing to discuss with you.
Shrennin
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I guess you didn't see the footage with the Kraken, which is a moving set piece you can board multiple ways with enemies on it (and around it as it moves through the level) and it's exponentially bigger than a Scarab.
I'm really not seeing your "truth."
samurai1226
Member
Resolution/Upscaling in H2A looked fine to me too, if they reach that in H5 it's ok. Of course you can't demand effects like in The Order in a game with big sandbox areas, smart AI and 60fps
Agreed. Its pretty easy to pick holes in a static screenshot or blurry YouTube screen-grabs but I doubt the majority of people playing it will be moaning about minor alpha effects etc when its running at 60fps. Will people really have time to pick holes?
Windom Earle
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Why don't you explain why he's wrong instead of misusing a great gif?
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
I still see a lot of rough looking stuff. That Aliasing on vegetation, the lowres Alpha effects, pixelated Shadows, no AF
well they are just screen shots
Outrun
Member
Having a look at the videos for Halo 5, it is easily seen how 343i have improved the gameplay and level design.
They really don't. Most people will say this looks good. Halo 5 is buttery smooth and looks great.
JumPeRJumPzZ never impressed confirmed 
I remember this post.
Everything is meh. X-D
That last sentence though....I agree.
I remember this post.
Everything is meh. X-D
That last sentence though....I agree.
He is kind of right, this is not specific to Xbox One tough, a lot of people are always left with wanting 1080/60fps games this gen, and when a high profile game doesnt reach either the 1080p or the 60 fps, there is always a group questioning this, check out the Bloodborne thread when it was announced to be at 30fps.
I guess 60fps is good for Halo, it was fine with 30fps, but at least I can notice Framerate change, I can not tell a game apart from 720p to 1080p, or the other stuff like AF, AA, etc.
I agree with the guy you are quoting 100%. His post mirrors my thoughts and my situation with owning both consoles and being a halo fan. I've never even played a ps3 my whole life and I still agree with him. There is a reason we feel the way we do. As someome who has played warzone I think it looks horrible. The res seems so low and stuff is so blurry and shimmery, I hate it. At least the campaign looks a little better.
I'm glad they were able to hit it at almost all times. Fluctuating frame-rates suck, no matter if the game is 60fps or 30fps.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
I don't get how people think this game looks bad. For 60fps this looks amazing, here are some shots from the video from the press site, not the bad youtube quality
I agree, it looks really good. But that rock wall on the left looks cellshaded hahah
Leyasu
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So did the game go as low as 810p or are you just saying that because of that vid that was released not so long ago??
Because you do say that the game runs at 1080pr most of the time.
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Definitely, it looked pretty decent to be fair, and this is coming from someone who plays 1080p games on PC downscaled from much higher resolutions. And the fact that H5 looks vastly superior to H2A's revamped graphics. But I would definitely draw the line at the IQ of the H5 beta, if the final game was like that all the way through, I would be gutted.
Double Donut
Member
Man, it's depressing how focused people are on graphics.
I guess I can understand liking a few more details in your games, but when people are so uptight about it that they say a game like Halo 5 looks bad, my mind breaks.
The god damn game looks perfectly fine.
In fact, I'd say pretty much every game this gen has looked good.
Just because a game doesn't hit that "1080p" buzzword does not mean it looks bad.
I guess I can understand liking a few more details in your games, but when people are so uptight about it that they say a game like Halo 5 looks bad, my mind breaks.
The god damn game looks perfectly fine.
In fact, I'd say pretty much every game this gen has looked good.
Just because a game doesn't hit that "1080p" buzzword does not mean it looks bad.
FunkyDealer
Banned
How would people feel if, for Halo 6, 343i made the campaign 30fps and multiplayer 60?
Dark_Feanor
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What baffles me is that some people thinks that if the XOne were transistor per transistor similar to the PS4 the IQ and performance would have any noticible effect (outside a DF "tech"analysis).
PS: I wasn´t a active member when Halo 4 and Halo Reach came out. But I belive the discusion points were the same, then with Uncharted 2 as benchmark. Damn you Naught Dog and your talented artists and engineers, you ruined every other game!!
PS: I wasn´t a active member when Halo 4 and Halo Reach came out. But I belive the discusion points were the same, then with Uncharted 2 as benchmark. Damn you Naught Dog and your talented artists and engineers, you ruined every other game!!
Welfare
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Would not like that one bit.
TheSpecialOne
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A lot of people are praising the framerate and are fine with the sacrifices made to resolution. Resolution is not the only thing we speak of when we talk about graphics and this gamers been a massive disappointment in the visuals department so far. To me, it doesnt look remotely close to being a next gen game at all. This is supposed to be the flagship game for the Xbox One. When people first see this game, they should say "wow, I have to get an Xbox One ". Last gen gameplay with crossgen graphics. It hasnt evolved. Unfortunately, the only game that came close to accomplishing that feat was Ryse. It suffered because of its gameplay but if it had been better, it might have been the game. This gen has been disappointing in general but particularly from Microsoft. I seriously expected more.
I'm surprised at the angle of focus here. Halo (while technically always interesting) has never really pushed the high end of graphics IMHO anyway. The one time this really felt like it was a key focus was Halo 4 and TBH I think it really hurt the game.
That the game will be 60fps is also interesting in a huge franchise that has been very, very successful at 30fps (so far as I'm aware) and I think it's a good move to target 60fps instead.
Overall I think the game looks fine for 1080p/60fps. I like eye candy when it's not hurting the experience but TBH I'm not looking for photo realism, heck for FPS combat titles I find too often levels are cluttered and have too much detail (how I miss the clean days of UT and Quake when the first focus was layout, lack of obstructions and always having a tight, fun experience.
I'm still way cautious on the title (I really did not like Halo 4 at all and it's really soured me on the franchise) but I'm surprised it's being criticized for not chasing visuals in a form I've never really even associated with the franchise on console. Heck Halo 3 was sub 720p IIRC and hardly giving Gears and Uncharted much competition looks wise but it was a fun and enjoyable game.
That the game will be 60fps is also interesting in a huge franchise that has been very, very successful at 30fps (so far as I'm aware) and I think it's a good move to target 60fps instead.
Overall I think the game looks fine for 1080p/60fps. I like eye candy when it's not hurting the experience but TBH I'm not looking for photo realism, heck for FPS combat titles I find too often levels are cluttered and have too much detail (how I miss the clean days of UT and Quake when the first focus was layout, lack of obstructions and always having a tight, fun experience.
I'm still way cautious on the title (I really did not like Halo 4 at all and it's really soured me on the franchise) but I'm surprised it's being criticized for not chasing visuals in a form I've never really even associated with the franchise on console. Heck Halo 3 was sub 720p IIRC and hardly giving Gears and Uncharted much competition looks wise but it was a fun and enjoyable game.
Double Donut
Member
I would absolutely hate that decision.
Gears Ultimate was such a letdown after I learned they did a 30fps campaign. It not only decreases the enjoyment of the campaign period, but it makes playing the campaign after playing multiplayer feel like watching a powerpoint. It sucks.
I hate when games split framerates between modes.
I'd dread going back to campaign every time after playing multiplayer. People have been playing 60fps Halo for the past year with MCC, it's definitely the right choice. Game looks great in hand.
thelastcrusader
Banned
I'd rather that. I just don't care enough about 60fps except for multiplayer. I used to think in racing games as well but I've played plenty of racing games where 30fps is just fine. Shit PQ on the other hand stands out a lot more to me.
I'd have preferred that tbh. Though I still think 30fps for both would have been fine. Just work on alternative techniques to get the input response down, like Bungie have done with Destiny.
That said, based on videos I think 343i have still done a great job for a locked 60fps game. So long as the resolution barely ever hits 720pr that is.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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So? This points still dont change much while watchinge it in motion. Even DF mentioned that AF issue.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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This is a tech thread you that right?
WordsintheWater
Member
There's hyperbole on both ends. The people that want more graphical fidelity in their games are valid and the people who don't care about these things and prefer a higher framerate are valid as well. I mean a few people in here act as if the only thing that is sacrificed in this game is fluctuating resolution, but there are more concessions made then just that in order to keep the framerate solid.
Honestly yes. I think so. Probably dynamic res would be less lower and transparencies high buffer. Not exactly a generation jump but surely a lot of things would benefit of the unified bandwith and RAM.