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I'll hold off on the Xbox Series X, since I intend to buy a high-end Nvidia Ampere graphics card this holiday season. However, I'm not holding off on the PlayStation 5, even if it costs $700.
The Bloomberg and the other estimators on price used the die costs from earlier RDNA and are just guesses.
RDNA2 on TSMC is using EUV on SOME critical layers, very expensive lithography and DUV on rest. It is more expensive than estimates. Die size for RDNA2 is very expensive component as are RAM prices,
Hence I expect ps5 500 minimum, XSX 550 minimum as it has a LIKELY bigger die nut we dont know by how much (same RAM amounts).
Lockart at 350 or 399 IMO. Its an expensive gen IMO
Didn't Bloomberg leak the PS5 BOM as $450? Has that been totally debunked or something? Cos if not how the hell do you get to a $600 price point, let alone $700?!
It just doesn't add up. They design these things with a price in mind, not the other way round. Even $500 would be more of an increase than Sony would really want to make, I'd have thought, after the huge success they had at $400.
The most plausible explanation for the delay in announcement is just that they're scared they'll be undercut by their rival. I imagine they're both targeting $500 but are nervous that the other will do something dramatic like come in at $400, and want to be able to respond by going second. So you get this interminable game of chicken.
PS5 won't get higher than 500$ and I'm willing to bet on that also 100$ difference just for a disk drive? wut?
Xbox must be cheaper at this point if it wants to be relevant for the next generation.
It's not comparable. A phone has more utility and socially carries some degree of fashion and status (even if misplaced).
A home console is a toy.
Yeah but as I explained earlier: Utility doesn't make sense in this equation. I can get 90%+ of the utility of a $1000 phone on a sub-$200 phone. The rest of the price captures status and the feeling of luxury. Also this is a phone you'll replace one or two times for the next 5-7 years.
I don't think you can get the same level of brand status like Apple but you can sell something unique to PS. The Playstation "culture" and first party offerings.
If PS5 and Xbox Series X are over $500 it seems like Microsoft caught Sony out by Announcing Series S at an affordable price.
Didn't Bloomberg leak the PS5 BOM as $450? Has that been totally debunked or something? Cos if not how the hell do you get to a $600 price point, let alone $700?!
It just doesn't add up. They design these things with a price in mind, not the other way round. Even $500 would be more of an increase than Sony would really want to make, I'd have thought, after the huge success they had at $400.
The most plausible explanation for the delay in announcement is just that they're scared they'll be undercut by their rival. I imagine they're both targeting $500 but are nervous that the other will do something dramatic like come in at $400, and want to be able to respond by going second. So you get this interminable game of chicken.
lol and some people thought this would be $400 hahahahahaha.
why do you think Sony has been hyping up the SSD and with a few months left we still don't know the price? they are hoping that by hyping it up when you hear the price that you'll think "but Sony told me it's super fast and will be a game changer! it's worth it!!" and then boom that's you fell for it and they got your money.
it's the same for Microsoft. the SSD might be slower but it's still an SSD and of course the XSX is more powerful so that's not gonna be cheap either. Neither Sony or Microsoft want to reveal the price first because whoever comes out and says "our console is $500-700" will be the bad guy and the other can just come in and undercut the other.
i think MS/Sony won't be announcing the price until it's time for preorders to start. They will both leave it to the last minute possible. Whoever goes first will be at a disadvantage.
really don't know...So, who do you think will reveal the price of their box first?
Yes, but a phone costing $1k doesn't have significantly more utility than a $200 phone, so that doesn't work.
It's the fashion aspect that's important. I think for consoles, the price has to be at least partly set by convention - it's settled in people's minds now that they should cost about that much, and it's too risky for any one company to try to challenge that. Because logically there's no good reason we shouldn't be willing to pay $1k or so for something that lasts so long.
Because logically there's no good reason we shouldn't be willing to pay $1k or so for something that lasts so long.
What if one of them were willing to delay the release of their console until 2021 just to make sure that they don't have to reveal their price first?really don't know...
but if i were betting I'd go Sony.
Not much point selling your physical copy if first party titles go as low as 5 dollar on PSNAre they testing the waters? I cannot imagine them going with price higher than $549 for PS5.
Yeah, but oh wait you can use physical on a console. And sell the game later on. Or exchange it. Or share it with someone. Or buy used. Or... oh wait, I think you get the idea...
Timestamped where they mention that. DF has said the reason why either of them haven't shared the price details is because perhaps they are scared to break the bad news that next gen is going to be much more expensive than any of the previous generations. Thoughts?
I agree regarding diminishing returns on scaling phone prices.
Yes. A mobile phone carries social status. They have since the 80's when execs used to lug around the brick sized ones that came attached to a briefcase of batteries and electronics. In addition to having actual day-to-day functionality that is considered a neccesity by many and can be passed off as having work based justification, phones have fashion and social value that can be carried around and put on display. You can't do that with a console.
There is. It's spending $1000 on a toy.
As an expense it's nowhere near as justifiable as a phone and doesn't have even a fraction of the functionality.
A grand is a huge amount of money for most people and once you're in that price bracket you're competing with a LOT of other options both luxury and essential that make the purchase every harder to justify.
The expensive phone is something you buy to show to your frienemies, in the hope of feeling a little less awful by making them envious. A console is something you buy for yourself, for your enjoyment, and no one needs to know about it.It's not comparable. A phone has more utility and socially carries some degree of fashion and status (even if misplaced).
A home console is a toy.
They're counting on it. My guess is $599.It's nonsense, but I'm more than ready for any price they throw for PS5.
They're counting on it. My guess is $599.
Way to many SKUsMy prediction:
PS5 Digital w/825GB - $499
PS5 Physical w/825GB - $549
PS5 Digital w/1.6TB - $599
PS5 Physical w/1.6TB - $649
Xbox Series S w/500GB - $299
Xbox Series S w/1TB - $349
Xbox Series X Digital w/1TB - $449
Xbox Series X w/1TB - $499
Xbox Series X Digital w/2TB - $549
Xbox Series X w/2TB- $599
If what they're promising techwise is inside these consoles, I don't see how they can charge less than 599. And frankly, even that is a stretch. The alternative is they've exaggerated and they'll be cheaper.That's still cheap in my book, but I think nothing will pass $500 mark, especially that they're aiming for 10 million consoles in the first year suggests even $450-400 for the base PS5, which might shock many.
It would for me because there is nothing coming out for PS5 at or near launch justifying that price. You gotta have games to play in these machines, remember? It’s not some modern art installation.Wow. That is a lot of money for a console. Would this change any decisions for some?
If what they're promising techwise is inside these consoles, I don't see how they can charge less than 599. And frankly, even that is a stretch. The alternative is they've exaggerated and they'll be cheaper.
Still, it's pretty fishy that they're still refusing to release the prices.