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[Digital Foundry] Starfield PC's New Patch: Massive CPU/GPU Perf Boosts, Official DLSS Support
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Looks like some promising stuff in the video. I hope the low end cpu performance improvements lead to console fps improvements.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That can't be! Toddler said it was optimized on live TV and that us plebs needed to upgrade our systems!
Sleepwalker
Member
Too little too late, I uninstalled this long ago and my gamepass lapsed. Gg
mansoor1980
Gold Member
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Wow, massive CPU gains and massive gains on nVidia hardware.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
We did optimize. It’s a next gen game.
Riiiiight.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
well, he was half right. you do need to upgrade your 4.5 tflops 2016 GPUs with shitty last gen CPUs. the gains after the patch are still around 20% not 200%. Those 1060s and 580s are still not going to run this game well after the performance upgrades.
i dont know when this happened, but PC gamers went from upgrading their PCs every 2 years to now complaining about having to upgrade their PCs every 8 years. the 970 and 1060 were roughly 2x-3x more powerful than the X1 and PS4. Now we have people buying 3060s and 3060 Tis which are barely as powerful as the PS5 and XSX, and expecting the same 2x-3x more performance. Just not going to happen.
I ran this game at 4k dlss quality at 60 fps on my 3080. 2x that of the XSX with way higher settings. at launch. Just like i would expect a 3080 to perform.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Senua
Member
TxKnight7
Member
The DeadField
We did optimize. It’s a next gen game.
Riiiiight.
Skifi28
Member
We did optimize. It’s a next gen game.
Riiiiight.
porkchopexpress
Member
Anyone know of a cheat sheet to the DF optimized settings?
edit: found this
edit: found this
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Looking at the improvements, it is crazy how much more they are able to multithread the CPU. This has to be the heaviest CPU bound game ive ever seen. I dont think even cyberpunk goes over 50% with most last gen games staying around 20-30% max.
One has to wonder just what the hell these CPU threads are doing at all times. My CPU wattage was already in the 100s, im scared to think how high it will go now.
One has to wonder just what the hell these CPU threads are doing at all times. My CPU wattage was already in the 100s, im scared to think how high it will go now.
geary
Member
Crunching on those persistent sandwiches...
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Cherry-pick screenshots?
Just load into an inhabited planet and walk around. Ugliest NPCs I’ve seen for a last gen game, let alone a “next gen” game.
DragonNCM
Member
Dude....you didn't play the game..
We did optimize. It’s a next gen game.
Riiiiight.
Right ?
This is all Aurora consumers
geary
Member
So you didnt play the game...
TxKnight7
Member
Its ironic that Bethesda of all studios are one of the few who actually cared about taking advantage of modern CPUs designs, both Starfield and Cyberpunk are the few games that having more cores in the same CPU generation does increase performance as it uses all threads available, while everyone else is stuck at 4/8 or 6/12 at best.Looking at the improvements, it is crazy how much more they are able to multithread the CPU. This has to be the heaviest CPU bound game ive ever seen. I dont think even cyberpunk goes over 50% with most last gen games staying around 20-30% max.
One has to wonder just what the hell these CPU threads are doing at all times. My CPU wattage was already in the 100s, im scared to think how high it will go now.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
NPCs look great more often than not.
Some shots from my playthrough, all random NPCs:
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Lucifers Beard
Member
Agreed, performance was the least of this games problems in my opinion. You can fix performance, you can't fix a boring game.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
thats what i figured but shouldnt that happen on load? The game loads in every area and thats when it should load in those persistent objects.
Walking around those levels should only be tracking NPCs who are also walking around. I guess shops and other quests but constantly? i see some threads hitting 80% on a 16 thread CPU. What exactly is it calculating when you are standing still?
I wonder if their realtime GI solution has a huge hit on the CPU since time of day is the one thing that changes constantly.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Put a 40hz mode on console you cowards!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Everyone in new atlantis is fucking ugly. Other settlements are fine.Dude....you didn't play the game..
Right ?
This is all Aurora consumers
And thats just the crowd NPCs. The character models of quest NPCs you can interact with, of which there are well over a hundred, are really detailed.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
This is what I want.
GymWolf
Member
Still more fuckable and less annoying than anything inside stuffield.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
For the NPCs you can talk to, yeah. The filler NPCs look bad everywhere due to the randomization process, I think. It feels like there are only a few shades of white colors for NPCs, while there are a ton of shades for black and brown, and then it generates everything equally. Mix that with the randomization of facial and body features, and you get some weird combinations and a large amount of black and brown people with white haircuts and facial features. You also seem to get a higher percentage of old people with young haircuts and facial/body features. It's a bizarre look that doesn't quite mesh with the sleek art style.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Not a fair comparison maybe but here is random forspoken npc and then quest givers.Everyone in new atlantis is fucking ugly. Other settlements are fine.
And thats just the crowd NPCs. The character models of quest NPCs you can interact with, of which there are well over a hundred, are really detailed.
Starfield quest givers look fantastic even if they lack something
Quezacolt
Member
Maybe that happened after mid range gpu's started to cost almost as much as top end gpu's in the past.
Senua
Member
Yea, I like a woman with a firm grip
fatmarco
Member
People need to understand there's clearly two tiers of NPC's (three if you count actual NPC "Characters" aka people you can talk to).
There's the ones that randomly speak expository dialogue around the world and they tend to have the high quality animated faces, then there's the filler NPC's who don't have unique dialogue who roam about. People selectively used them and their weird eye tracking to misrepresent the quality of Starfield NPC's.
For the most part the higher quality animated NPC's look good, just they're re-used far too often / there's not enough of them. The lower quality NPC's suffer from their eyes being too open by default, similar to the launch version of Mass Effect Andromeda, and simply need to be patched to have their eyelids made more narrow.
There's the ones that randomly speak expository dialogue around the world and they tend to have the high quality animated faces, then there's the filler NPC's who don't have unique dialogue who roam about. People selectively used them and their weird eye tracking to misrepresent the quality of Starfield NPC's.
For the most part the higher quality animated NPC's look good, just they're re-used far too often / there's not enough of them. The lower quality NPC's suffer from their eyes being too open by default, similar to the launch version of Mass Effect Andromeda, and simply need to be patched to have their eyelids made more narrow.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I dont know how true that is. When starfield came out, the 7800xt was $499 and came with a copy of the game. It easily ran Starfield at double the xsx framerate with way higher settings. Its around $150 more than the 970 launched at 9 years ago, but still no where even close to the Titan cards from that era.
The 4070 launched at $599 so almost double what the 970 launched at. But its already down to $520. Thats another card that will run this game at 2x the framerate of the xsx.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
They know dude. You literally have to go out of your way to zoom in on random NPCs you can't even interact with to get the meme shots, and then you have to close your eyes or lie anytime you actually speak to anyone and it looks really good.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
We did optimize. It’s a next gen game.
Riiiiight.
Dude....you didn't play the game..
Right ?
This is all Aurora consumers
NPCs look great more often than not.
Some shots from my playthrough, all random NPCs:
Everyone in new atlantis is fucking ugly. Other settlements are fine.
And thats just the crowd NPCs. The character models of quest NPCs you can interact with, of which there are well over a hundred, are really detailed.
Gotta love these dumbshits trolling and then disappearing from the thread when they're called out on their BS.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
If the fps is capped, sure. The 4070 is on par with the 3080 and the 3080 is around 60-70% faster than the 2080. You generally won't get all that close to double the frame rate of the consoles even with a 4070 unless you use a lot of RT. You need something on the level of a 3090 or sometimes even 3090 Ti to double the performance of a 2070S/consoles. This means a 4070 Ti-ish tier GPU which is $800.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Maybe in benchmarks, but in my experience, i have been able to double the performance of my 2080 in most games.
Again, I was able to run the game at 60 fps at high settings at 4k dlss quality when xbox was using a mixture of medium to low settings. And this was when the game was performing awful on nvidia cards.
You just needed to pair your GPUs with a good CPU.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Good patch but all these should be there at launch.
manfestival
Member
Starfield still better than Bloodborne