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Digital Foundry: Super Mario Odyssey - Docked vs Handheld Comparison
- Thread starter Portugeezer
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Crimsonclaw111
Member
At 900p I do hope it isn't as blurry as Zelda seemed at times. Can't wait to dive in.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I dunno. Look at Mario Kart 8 on WiiU vs 3D World as an example of a simple AA solution vs no AA solution.
I dunno how people can think there is no AA here. It's not a great solution but it's clearly there.
Zelda was dynamic resolution so it dropped to under 900p when the system was taxed. Shouldn't have that here.
I dunno how people can think there is no AA here. It's not a great solution but it's clearly there.
Zelda was dynamic resolution so it dropped to under 900p when the system was taxed. Shouldn't have that here.
KojiKnight
Member
I was going to do some comparison pics, but I'm having problems finding uncompressed video or images not taken using the photomode which would make the comparison moot. Like it seems pretty clear to me even on youtube footage, but the poor compression on the edges of objects wouldn't give a clear example.
Yeah, just watch the latest Odyssey footage at 1080p. You will notice a stark contrast between the aliasing in New Donk City and Cap Kingdom compared to every other one. It's actually very noticable.
Portugeezer
Member
I also watched video, he says no AA.
I made some basic comparisons on the last page. And yeah, the edges in SMO do look smoother.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
900p is acceptable. Was really holding out for 1080p but I'll take it.
Hippopuncher12
Member
You and me brother.
I'll never understand people watching and analyzing every trailer and media put out before a game's release if they intend to play it themselves.
Because some people can still play a game and enjoy it after watching some videos of it? You don't understand people watching them, and I don't understand "media blackouts". Anyway game looks great, and happy about the 60 FPS. Glad to finally use my Switch again.
Undead Fantasy
Member
That cutscenes in portable mode bit has me worried.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Pls, don't post garbage quality screens to try to illustrate the game. Thanks.
lol, nice try with that screen shot
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
What did they do lol? Wrong thread bro
Couldn't you find a more piece of arse quality picture? Heck I can't even make up the words when zoomed in
Fantastical
Death Prophet
The "lava" or whatever it's supposed to be looks turrible.
that's not surprising! the screen shot itself is garbage quality
FutureLarking
Member
Oh no, the cut-scenes. My game playing experience is ruined </3
KojiKnight
Member
Zoomed in 4x nearest neighbor taken from a BMP file taken from Digital Foundry's website. I'm not sure if the original was directly captured from the Switch, or via Capture card but it's definitely taken outside of photomode (this was taken from a set of images comparing regular and photo mode).
You can clearly see on the chains an AA solution of some kind. You can tell by the color dithering from the chain's black to the surrounding blue from the water. With no AA or any sort of post processing there would be a clear line between the black and the blue.
As expected, the photomode has an additional AA level on top of this if anyone wants me to post a comparison from the same shot.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Watch the video? It's literally at the very beginning.
Skittzo0413
Member
Great shot, yeah that's pretty clearly using some form of AA. OP should probably remove that now, and hopefully DF can edit that out or make a correction.
Obviously the AA could be better, but it's there.
it's become a nintendo staple at this point. make really nice, clean visuals, with great, colourful art styles, and let the lack of AA gouge your eyes out.
is it really expensive for them to add it to games on the switch or something?
Well it's a lava texture over water, so not surprising, considering how Mario is interacting with it.
Niceguydan8
Member
Can you point me to a device that does it better with similar support?
Undead Fantasy
Member
I'm very OCD so this will definitely bother me lol.
Skittzo0413
Member
I'm pretty sure the only Nintendo game on Switch with no AA to speak of is MK8D. Every other game (BotW, ARMS, Splatoon 2, SMO) has AA at least in certain areas.
Huh? How could it be better than 720p/60fps when the screen is 720p? Those are basically the best possible specs for handheld mode you could have...
No AA
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
aside from the jaggies and very simple design, im hyped as fuck. went half and half with my bro.
i cant wait for the day they announce a mario party game
i cant wait for the day they announce a mario party game
LordOcidax
Member
OOK.....
Skittzo0413
Member
We've been discussing this at length in the thread. It seems the OP and DF are wrong about there being no AA, look at the picture KojiKnight posted above. Or compare SMO to MK8D. There is definitely some light AA applied.
Sure there are more powerful tablets on paper, but show me a game that blows away Odyssey.
LOL
lol, of course I watched the video I'm in the thread about said video
I'm saying the quality of the screen shot that I quoted was garbage
Jawbreaker
Member
I'm glad they were able to bump it up to 900p while docked. It would have been a shame if it remained 720p.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
lol
KojiKnight
Member
Obviously no apples to apples comparison to prove there is AA since we don't have any exact images without AA at all. These images do illustrate the differences in the level of AA between regular and photo mode though. Same setup as before, BMPs taken from DF's website, 400% nearest neighbor scaling.
First regular:
Even in non-photo mode there are very few stair steps, especially where you'd expect to see them. Where the sand meets the rocks there is a little, but it's more noticable above that where the rock once again meets the sand.
That said, look at things like Mario's hat and nose, and even at 400% scale you can see they are actually pretty round with no clear stepping.
That said, for photo mode:
You can see the stepping is definitely reduced further in the background. You can make out the difference on Mario's nose and hat as well, but it's still pretty subtle. The biggest difference is, of course, the shadows. But as the DF video already stated, that's not a case of AA so much as just straight up higher resolution shadows.
First regular:
Even in non-photo mode there are very few stair steps, especially where you'd expect to see them. Where the sand meets the rocks there is a little, but it's more noticable above that where the rock once again meets the sand.
That said, look at things like Mario's hat and nose, and even at 400% scale you can see they are actually pretty round with no clear stepping.
That said, for photo mode:
You can see the stepping is definitely reduced further in the background. You can make out the difference on Mario's nose and hat as well, but it's still pretty subtle. The biggest difference is, of course, the shadows. But as the DF video already stated, that's not a case of AA so much as just straight up higher resolution shadows.
Diablohead
Member
I would think the blurry look of 900p in zelda was the game dropping 25% of it's resolution in some conditions, plus zelda had a more textured look to everything so resolution changes were really noticible over the cleaner look of mario.
Skittzo0413
Member
Good post again, it's pretty obvious there is AA going on in both modes. People don't seem to know how to recognize it all that easily. For comparison here is a full 1080p screenshot of MK8D that hasn't been zoomed in at all.
You can clearly see more stepping in the background in this image (especially on all of the hanging wires) than in most of the zoomed in SMO screenshots. This is what a complete lack of anti aliasing looks like.
SMO has AA.
KojiKnight
Member
Bingo, the worst part is with DF saying there isn't any, people are going to jump all over the lack of AA despite there being some.
Might just be excessive bloom on everything.
Why do you think I included the BotW screenshot at exactly that positon?
