Chobel
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Digital Foundry: the complete Xbox One architects interview
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the light, the heat
pharmboy044
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Technically superior?
Show me an XB1 exclusive that looks like KZ:Shadowfall or inFamous:Second Son?
More games running on PS4 at native 1080p vs XB1. Not to mention the 1080p highlight of XB1 has pre-baked lighting. "Technically" superior... ... ... Sure sure. Mhmmmm.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
This 100%. The difference will only get more apparent as we progress and developers learn how to maximize each console.
Night Angel
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Tsk, tsk, tsk. Should have started with "Hey, guys!"
If you want to believe the nonsense PR MS had been force feeding us, go ahead. If you can't see the obvious bias in Leadbetter's articles, you must be blind. We wanted technical articles, not brown nosing. He never even attempted to question MS when they said baseless shit (balance my ass). He swallowed it up and asked for more.
As for technically superior, what sticks out to you? Lower resolutions? Baked lighting? The games look good, but I can't think of a technical reason to hold any one of them above what I've seen from Sony. The graphics won't suck by any means, but trying to compare them with a much more powerful machine is overly optimistic at best, stupid at worst. I'm not buying an XB1 for its performance, I can tell you that. MS needs to drop out of the spec war and focus on what their box does that differentiates it from their cheaper, more powerful competition (exclusive games).
2dshmuplover consistently posts stuff like that, so I wouldn't worry about it. As for Leadbetter's bias, I don't understand how anyone could disagree with it being ever present. It'd be one thing if his accused bias was confined only to people here on NeoGAF, but a quick peruse of comments on his many articles show other users saying the same thing.
Wishmaster92
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ugh... don't do this please. Both systems output amazing graphics, i see no difference.
travisbickle
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Technical talk isn't about seeing differences. It is about the technology employed to create the visuals. KZ's post processing, DClub's Real-time lighting, Resogun's thousands of voxels with individual shadows. Other games can "look" the same but they do not employ the same technical prowess.
But he said technically. You can say any system outputs good looking games which is fine but he said that xone games are technically superior.
inpHilltr8r
Member
in his eyes, it is complete
There are tons of differences. That's the problem. Outside of Forza and Driveclub these launch exclusives aren't comparable.
Wishmaster92
Member
Oh i get it, he should have said visually superior then.
And sadly we can't compare them since one is 30fps vs 60fps. Those really are the only games you could compare now that i think about it.
Ho-ly shit.
Chobel
Member
And they also made some really bullshit arguments. You can see it for yourself
Sword Of Doom
Member
That's the thing though people see KI, Ryse, And Forza and think "wow these games are beautiful" but they don't realize that under the hood these games aren't that impressive.
Zatoichi's Cane
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All I know is we are in for some amazing times on nov 15- december here at the gaf.
A lot of us have been banging the drums hard, and some will have to face the music.
A lot of us have been banging the drums hard, and some will have to face the music.
The same set of people probably wont even see the difference between Titanfall (360) and Titanfall (Xbone). So that means that the 360 has similar power as the Xbone. Right?
You give us Juniors a bad name. Lay off dat Kool-Aid.
NeoGAF has quite the waiting list to get in. Mods should have a form to fill out that requires you to put your other forum sn's (for research) and such to weed out the shills.
All I know is we are in for some amazing times on nov 15- december here at the gaf.
A lot of us have been banging the drums hard, and some will have to face the music.
40 days to go. So hyped!!!!!!!!
Zatoichi's Cane
Member
how do you see this playing out? serious question.
Do you think there will be a significant gap after the first year between first party games?
Wishmaster92
Member
Wait what? How is Ryse not impressive? KI and Forza i guess....but what about Quantum Break? How do you know these games "under the hood" are not impressive?
All I know is we are in for some amazing times on nov 15- december here at the gaf.
A lot of us have been banging the drums hard, and some will have to face the music.
What music? The facts are the facts. The PS4 is better balanced and more powerful piece of gaming hardware, no question.
How that translates to games is another question entirely.
You mean IQ difference between Xbone and PS4?
I dont think the casual gamer will be able to tell the difference (just like they wont be able to differentiate current-gen and next-gen games) but a majority of GAF would. How it would manifest in the console war? I have no idea.
I think we have Tidux for that now =D. Hahaha.
you could always be cboat's SONY source... ;-)
Nah, I wouldn't get on if they looked up all the stupid shit I say that's not here.
Night Angel
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Ryse IS impressive. Can't say much about QB, but I hope it's also impressive. But to call a game that had to sacrifice full 1080p hd resolution "technically superior" to a whole host of games that seem to push the visual envelope just as hard or harder at higher resolution is stupid. That's all I was trying to say. Sorry if I derailed the thread.
Zatoichi's Cane
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I meant you, do you think there will be a noticeable difference?
I think there will be a noticeable difference because I believe that the PS4 is superior in terms of design.
Shaunboy97
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Sword Of Doom
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I shouldn't have put Ryse with the others you're right.
Zatoichi's Cane
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Chobel
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You're welcome
We haven't seen any gameplay yet. So it's early to say anything about Quantum Break.
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You and everyone else who said Quantum Break better hope that the actual gameplay looks like that. We have already seen what happens on gaf when a game gets downgraded.
Leadbetter continues to verbatim repeat Microsoft nonsense about XB1 'balance', consistently couches the articles in language that attempts to diminish PS4's massive advantage, has had several articles with misinformation within them, has given a hilariously disproportionate amount of attention to the demonstrably inferior system tech wise - which is silly considering the point of Digital Foundry - and each time he uses the time to run defense on Microsoft's comically underwhelming hardware decisions.
Your entire post, however, demonstrates precisely why you speak from this perspective: you're completely in anothe realm in reality. Buzz and word-of-mouth is massively in favor of PS4, always has been since the second the unveiling occurred. Microsoft, on the other hand, has spent nearly a year straight dealing with debilitating negative rumours about the XBO which in the end were mostly all true. Gamers reacted as violently as they ever had in the game industry, forcing them into a corner until they changed it. Then after that they spent months exaggerating features, attempting to muddy the truth about the spec wars because they don't want to admit how inferior the system is to PS4 and every day we get word of a new promised feature being delayed or move to some window into next year or beyond. INDIE GAMES won't even be there at launch. In 2013. We're in uncharted levels of incompetence at this point.
Every poll taken shows the word-of-mouth/buzz is decisively in Sony's favor, all the leaked pre-order news we have gotten - and the few hard data we've gotten as well - shows a market that is also decisively in favor of PS4. They also sold out faster in most locations even though PS4 is going to have a much larger launch allotment!
So, what data are you using to determine the following:
What information are you using to determine this is the case? Since all the data we have suggest the precise opposite, are you simply living in a bubble, or do you intentionally not want to face reality?
It is true Microsoft has often been on people's lips since May 21, but in most occasions it was either negative news or adjustments to try to even make the system palatable to anyone at all other than the most diehard Microsoft obsessives. They say "there's no such thing as bad publicity", but this bullshit. There is a such thing, and Microsoft has been knee deep in it since the second news started leaking about the XBO. And it's all their fault, not gamers, not overreactions.
How this can be twisted into some positive for Microsoft is... well I don't know what it is. Maybe you didn't intend for that to be how your post was read. I don't know. But the end result is it's wildly inaccurate.
They don't make compelling arguments; they take things that are true and wildly exaggerate what they mean or intentionally muddy the waters so as to confuse the less technically inclined folk. And look at the success: you think comparing launch titles is how you benchmark a platform! You think that because you're incapable of analyzing a screen at a deeper level and understanding precisely how deep the differences go at a technical level - everything from most PS4 games being a higher resolution at average from the level of effects being quite last-gen (like how Forza 5 was caught out for its last-gen lighting or its short cut reflections, whereas DriveClub takes no real shortcuts when it comes to establishing next-gen lighting or environmental detail).
But in the end, even if every PS4 game looked worse than every XB1 launch game, it wouldn't mean anything.
● It is a fact PS4 is substantially more powerful and there is nothing XB1 can do to close that gap.
● It is a fact that the bullshit about XB1's 'balance' is being done to try to confuse the less technically inclined over how well designed the system is.
● After all, what does being 'balanced' really mean when all you've done is add an intense layer of extra complexity to development (prolonging dev time by all reports, thus more expensive and less efficient), have tools that are way behind PS4 and remain so, and even Phil Harrison himself directly implying that even their internal teams are complaining about it. What does it matter if the end result is a system that not only is more complex and expensive to develop for, but also is significantly less powerful in virtually every way we can measure?
● It also remains a fact that to this very day Microsoft PR continues to lie or exaggerate claims, delay promised features and have no perceivable clear direction for their system (at least none which they have done a good job at articulating), whereas Sony's vision has been clear from day one.
● Therefore, if we accept the above is true - and I don't know how you could say otherwise - then you also have to accept the skepticism that accompanies such a reality. How could anyone believe a case, no matter how convincing, if it has been disputed by virtually every developer and individual who knows about tech and specs, and the case is being stated by a company which at this point deserves njo trust?
A point of view that would make Microsoft proud. A thoroughly unscientific approach to comparisons is the only way they can even begin to try to close the gap, because they realize many people don't bother analyzing the technical specifics with any detail (or if they do, don't understand what they're reading or seeing anyway).
After all, Ryse may be 900p - and that may have a huge impact technically on what the engine can do - but to you, you would claim they look "technically superior", and that this adds merit to their argument.
It of course doesn't, most people involved in tech and specs know the shortcuts that are already being taken, and most of us have read what has been involved in developing multiplatform games. Every shred of evidence and every comment made on the subject that hasn't been vomited from Microsoft's mouth or those like Leadbetter running defense for them has been opposed to the bullshit narrative they've tried to paint around XBO. Originally they thought they could lie with the 40x more powerful thanks to CLOUD nonsense, but that was so violently rejected even the most arden Microsoft fanboys didn't believe it. So now they're taken to muddying the water in more specific and tantalizing ways, so as to confuse the audience they're attempting to impress.
And look how well it's working! SenjutsuSage hasn't been able to stop pretending like this nonsense has merit.
Ryse is a 900p game currently running at 25fps and even less than that at times with loads of screen tearing. Forza can't even get any real time shadows running. KI is hardly technically impressive. 720p for a fighter? c'mon now.
funkystudent
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You're welcome
It looks like the GPU is dying!
The same glitches started to happen before my old PS3 YLOD'd
Yes, my opinion is about the same.
Glorified G
Member
It would have been better if showed off an game with actual gameplay, and not a real time demo.
Wishmaster92
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Zatoichi's Cane
Member
So you believe both systems are on par power wise?
Night Angel
Member
Wat? Do you really believe that? Because that's not an opinion, that's factually untrue.
Design encompass power. His response that he believes the PS4 is better designed obviously includes the power of the system. Also, nowhere in your post does it say that the systems are on par. I don't get your post at all.
bigboss370
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yeah, I can believe that's gameplay graphics. Looks about on par with Infamous (albeit without the crazy effects and open world), but not KZ's level.
looking forward to seeing more of Quantum Break, even if I don't like the talk of episodic tv stuff.
Wait, what? Where/When did I say that?
Oh my. Not sure if this is sarcasm
Wishmaster92
Member
I don't like to use those super clean press released screenshots, I tend to capture from video for accuracy.So this is pretty fair:
What exactly would happen? Like Deep Down's latest build? Where some people didn't see the difference (or didn't want to) and said it looked amazing? And when somebody does a comparison he gets called a troll? Why is nobody talking about the tgs deep down images being rendered at 720p, and how Ono conveniently takes off-screen shots of the game? But Ryse gets a ton of hate for being 900p on inferior hardware.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=80872421
It's realtime.
It's not realtime until they show someone, the public or journalists, a walk through demo of a full level. Controller in hand, box on a table. Until then, it's not realtime.
Like The Order? Got it.