A console doesn't come with a display device (except for portables), but it comes with inputs. Which means a case and input devices are missing, but not the monitor.
Also that PC will be running SteamOS I assume. ;-)
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Also that PC will be running SteamOS I assume. ;-)
A case and some input method makes sense, a monitor is a little silly
Eh, it's my fault, I was honestly curious. Carry on
martino
Member
don't expect to use benchmark found on the internet for the gpu part...your results will be far below.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
You also don't really see Xbox gamers arguing that the Xbox One will outsell the PS4. They mainly argue the sales won't be too far off.
killatopak
Member
Try to put that in a case the size of the PS4. By the way, can you install an OS too? Thanks.
Yes indeed. I wanted to know if it's accurate of not. Any bits you're interested in? I can translate it if necessary.
I'm not really knowledgeable enough to dissect numbers as some of technical gaf members, but the bit about ROPS was very interesting to me, the part which they say using more than 2 ROPs for graphics will guarantee a sub 1080p game in X1. while PS4 won't have such problem at all, in fact PS4 will never be bottlenecked in ROPs.
Thanks for help
EDIT: Maybe that bit explains the sub 1080p in X1 exclusives that require some extensive graphics effects and particles like Ryse and KI. while game like forza 5 didn't encounter such problem due to lighter use of effects and baked lightning.
Missing:
- Case
- Controller
- Operating system
- Charging cables, video cables
- 6x Blu-Ray drive
- Sound card (on-board audio will not do)
Ya, like the one in the PS4.
And ofc mobo and psu are cheap noname parts, but that doesn't really matter.
Besides that i came out 100 under what i originally said and for 100 extra u can easily upgrade the psu and the mobo.
And people should learn to read properly - i repost:
IAmRandom31
Banned
Also an actual 8 Core AMD processor, that is a cheap 4 core lol.
I guess he doesn't know the AMD Jaguar processors are actually ... a real CPU or something.
Where is the 6x Blu Ray drive?
Point is really, Sony did a magnificent job putting everything they have inside such a cheap and small package with internal PSU. That was the simple point of the matter.
martino
Member
i'm still doubtful about heat problem (why i won't buy dd)
going to need a much better CPU to get anywhere close to the PS4 buddy, PS4 games actually have good multicore support and are made to run on a jaguar, PC games would choke out on that CPU.
EDIT: to clarify, your rig does not meet the minimum requirements of watch_dogs, how do you think it will cope in 6 years?
geordiemp
Member
Does it really matter what a PC gaming rig can be built for ?
As a console gamer (ps3 and 360) I want to
1. Play online with a controller against others with a controller (not gaming mice)
2. Play online with a larger user base (many PC players comment on low numbers in some games, thread on Gaf a week or so ago)
3. Play online with casual types (I doubt many gaming rig enthusiasts are casual gamers)
I don't know why PC enthusiasts try to convince people to convert from console to PC gaming - anybody the wiser ?
As a console gamer (ps3 and 360) I want to
1. Play online with a controller against others with a controller (not gaming mice)
2. Play online with a larger user base (many PC players comment on low numbers in some games, thread on Gaf a week or so ago)
3. Play online with casual types (I doubt many gaming rig enthusiasts are casual gamers)
I don't know why PC enthusiasts try to convince people to convert from console to PC gaming - anybody the wiser ?
Sword Of Doom
Member
According to Carmack "Consoles run 2x or so better than equal PC hardware", so if we accept that statement then you would have to build something twice as powerful as the PS4 for the same price
https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/50277106856370176
malboroking
Banned
Not to mention no case or operating system =P
Though I guess you could use Linux.
hush... keep their dream alive, somehow PC Master Race (and I'm such a PC gaming fan) still believes you can buy PC as powerful as the PS4 for the same price, specially in Twitch streams where also kids are going nuts claiming the Xbox One is a much better hardware since it's "balanced" (Microsoft al least succeeded to get this nonsense PR message stuck into kids' heads).
Putting those together, we get:
Xbox One = 1 : 1 : 1 : 1 : 1
PS4 = 1.56 : 1.5 : 1.5 : 2 : 4
So assuming the lowest number is the bottleneck, it's still in line with that +50% number.
This is where SteamOS comes into play. Should be interesting.
Sword Of Doom
Member
But you could work around some of those bottlenecks right? So in theory you could get more than ~50%
Dictator93
Member
Worst quoted thing in the history of mankind (check out Durantes thread on this issue). This statement is completely abused and is not relevant in the newest console cycle.
Sigh...
Brad Grenz
Member
Actually, a 4 core Piledriver CPU is not that far off from an 8 core Jaguar. That Athlon II X4 has 2 256bit FPUs at 3.2Ghz. It's rated at 102GFLOPs just like the PS4 CPU.
In terms of horsepower perhaps, but no PC games is optimized for any given processor, so you'll never get close to the same performance just based off the spec.
Brad Grenz
Member
Sure, the PS4 will perform much better in basically every single way than the PC build for numerous reasons, but if I was trying to choose a comparable CPU that's as close as we can get with off the shelf parts.
Glorified G
Member
Which makes the comparison so stupid to begin with. People should learn the difference between an open vs closed environment and how devs approach both.
Yeah and piledriver processor ofc isn't .... a real cpu or something .
Whatever that is supossed to mean ...
Ya lol, the cheap 4 core that has about the same performance as the 8 core in the ps4.
Lol seriously haha ....
Oh shit, mine has only 4x.
Looks like sony is fucked, that 6x drive will cost them dearly.
No, people should learn to READ. It's amazing how many people posted shit like this ...
Glorified G
Member
Yeah, no.
I don't know about us prices, but for a little more (~50-100€than 400€ u can build a pc with a better gpu and cpu. Whoever predicted this thing at 600$ didn't know what he was talking about.
Not only did you fail to do so by purposely leaving out even the most basic components to a pc (OS, Input/Output, Blu Ray Drive, the actual casing) that wouldn't even run the basic settings of cross gen game such as watch_dogs, the fact you even tried to make this point begin with shows you lack the basic understanding between the difference of a closed environment vs a open environment. Whether you could build one or not is irrelevant since the performance would be different. Actually you inadvertently proved the poster you were responding too:
You couldn't even include the case which was one of the main driving points of the poster you were responding too.
Angelus Errare
Banned
My mind is blown at the included BR drive. As a PC gamer I don't even have a DVD drive in my PC, but apparently I need a BR drive for some reason. 
thunder_snail
Member
Sure, the blu-ray comparison isn't very relevant since PC gaming rarely makes use of blu-ray. But you should know PC games are a lot more dependent on CPUs than the console equivalent. Also you conveniently ignored the OS, quality input devices, case, and wireless card argument. And when building a PC, it's not a good idea to cheap out on the PSU, motherboard and cooling since it's a long term investment.
That athlon you listed earlier will cripple performance. Just because it's cheap enough to fit in the budget doesn't mean it's a good idea.
How bout not blaming other people? May be you yourself should stop posting these so called "shit" posts?
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
If you can get me a decent price for a blue LED strip on the case (you do include a case in your price, yes?) I'll be pretty much ready to cancel my preorder for PS4.
Edit: Not even a case supplied. AmFreak you are worse than rip-off Sony.
velociraptor
Junior Member
It does not matter whether the PS4 CPU is gimped compared to modern CPUs.
While it's slow, it does have the advantage that devs will directly code games using it. Plus it has 8 cores.
A good PSU matters. I think a PC that compares with the PS4 will likely cost £600 when you factor in the case and an OS license.
In theoretical power yea, I agree, that's a good match, but in comparing gaming performance to PS4, nowhere close. Mainly because of the difference between PC and PS4 games, I mean the example I gave was watchdogs, which is a first game PS4 game, that wouldn't run on that CPU.
Its impossible to get close to a PS4 experience with a similarly priced PS4, and there's nothing wrong with that, it's the benefit of closed hardware which can be purchased in bulk and sold at a loss.
There isn't any shit post by me (at least in this thread
)I will now repeat again, one last time, what i already said countless times.
But it seems whenever i repeat it there come new posters who didn't read anything (or even some old one's continue lol).
I never said "here is a 400€ pc - buy that and you can play everything the ps4 plays (or even better)".
I posted cause someone in this thread said something like it blows his mind how Sony can build this amount of power in a box and only loosing a little amount of money at 400$.
Cause this wasn't the first time i read this i thought i woud chime in (clearly an error lol). So i disagreed and said that for the ps4 price (400€
+ 50-100€ u can buy a pc with a better cpu and gpu. The thinking basicly was if i as an end-consumer can build a pc with a more powerful gpu and cpu for the ps4 price +50-100€ a company which will buy in millions is clearly able to build this thing for 400€ with only loosing a little amount.Someone doubted that i can build such an pc for 450-500€ , so i posted an example pc (as said quick and dirty - that even came out as 400€
.And then more and more people streamed in with shit like "lol u can't even buy a gpu with 8GB GDDR5 or "closed box u noob" etc ...
And all this shit doesn't fucking matter cause again the point was how can Sony build this power for this price and not that i can build a pc that plays everything same or better than the ps4.
I also like the endless posts that say i didn't include a case.
The last point is a case with a psu ...
And even if it wasn't it's not as if this was some shaddy thing i did to keep the price down, cause there are no alternatives ...
http://geizhals.at/de/?cat=gehatx&xf=550_Midi-Tower%7E533_mit+Netzteil#xf_top
PS3 had internal PSU, 2 large chips (CELL and RSX) and it's failure rate was 6-7% which is within similar products range ( except 360 of course)
PS4 has a single large chip that doesn't require such complicated heat solutions and has almost half heat output of OG PS3.
I wouldn't worry at all about PS4. Sony is the best hardware designers in the world bar none.
Sword Of Doom
Member
That's why I specifically wrote "if we accept this statement"
Night Angel
Member
Except all of the ones in this thread.There isn't any shit post by me (at least in this thread
Whatever your original point was, that's not how it was interpreted by everyone. That's your fault for not being clearer. Your posts detailed this thread, and you've continually made it worse. If you wanted to illustrate how Sony could have built the PS4 for cheap, you should have posted items similar to what is in the PS4, not bargain bin shit parts with low price tags.
I know i am going off topic below..but..
....i would take a PS4 over this PC setup ANY DAY. That setup would really REALLY struggle with next gen games...again it's the nature of the beast when looking at a closed box vs a open system like the PC platform.
dragonelite
Member
Who know what will happen with mantle and the SteamOS an OS specifically made for gaming they might kill off some abstraction layers the OS doesn't need.
lol you got a point there hehe
I thought the GPU in PS4 was closer to a 7850 than a 7870, correct me if i am wrong.
You have a point with ur first sentence (even if it probably would have happened no matter how clear i made it, shown by the posts that came after my posts making it clear).
And the second part is exactly what i did. The gpu is a little better, the cpu is on the same level. The amount of ram is the same (but ddr3, cause as u may know u can't just buy GDDR5 in a shop). It has a mainboard, a case, a psu and a 4x blu-ray drive (instead of a 6x). And all that came out 100 under what i originally said.
So u could even use that 100 or a part of them to buy a branded psu, case and mainboard.
B_Boss
Member
For those interested (if this is old, disregard):
http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1nuh75/the_xbox_one_user_interface_is_fast_wow/
http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1nuh75/the_xbox_one_user_interface_is_fast_wow/
dragonelite
Member
Darkwaknight
Banned
Yep pretty sure
Chobel
Member
Are 100% sure? like "I saw PS4 documents" sure? because Sony said nothing about hybrid SSD.
Darkwaknight
Banned
One of our suppliers told me a Japanese order for a huge qty of hybrid drives on a model we use, could be wrong but seemed a bug coincidence to me. It was the seagate drive.
There are millions of possibilities, other Japanese companies, Laptops, etc, etc...
2dshmuplover
Banned
How is he fighting for Microsoft? All he has done is publish some articles as they are wiling to talk and in case you haven't noticed Xbox One is all anyone ever talks about, it's way more of a hot topic than PS4 and it's been that way since E3. He's already had a technical discussion with Mark Cerny regarding the PS4 (though he expressed his disappointment with Cerny's reservations in some areas), I'm not sure what more you (and everyone else mocking him) wants? He asked all of the probing questions we all want to know, so tell me, what did he do wrong?
The fact is the tech guys at Microsoft make some convincing arguments. Arguments that start to make sense when we look at the games that are on display right now, for the supposed massively inferior hardware of the X1, it's doing a pretty damn good job of not only treading water but keeping it's head well above the surface.
I could understand this backlash if the games looked terrible next to PS4 exclusives but to my eyes they look technically superior, Now why is that?? Regardless of what camp you might sit in, surely the fact the exclusive games look, at the very least technically on par adds weight to the tech guys arguments.
In what way do they look technically superior?