How can it be an issue with the PS4 SDK if 95% of all games do it right though?
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Digital Foundry: Thief for Xbox One edges out the PS4 version
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How can it be an issue with the PS4 SDK if 95% of all games do it right though?
Kazuma Kiryu
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So everyone was right on the Tomb Raider thread when they claimed that Tomb Raider dropped to 18fps's, using that screenshot? And DF was wrong, saying that it didn't and that the lowest it dropped was 27fps's? Because then the article is wrong.
Now that it's the exact same situation, it's okay to use stills of a video to claim what the framerate is? Hey, I just wanted to know. I guess I was wrong.
TheRealTalker
Banned
dat PS4
what kind of messed up shit did the devs have to pull to make this happen
lol it isn't even a tech heavy game
glitches prone on the PS4 and the fps dips for both versions
what an unoptimized mess of a game
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
DF doesn't mention PS4 tessellation, doesn't complain about crushed blacks on Bone.
Honestly the game has issues on every platform.
Honestly the game has issues on every platform.
Memorabilia
Member
Good point.
i think that the reality is that dropped to 18so sure the screenshot is ok lol ....was that relevant ? no...it wasnt
in this case the frame drops are both noticeable on both console...the problem that afflict the ps4 is the iq ....
How low can we go. This is a good start.
No there is something wrong with the developer.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
To me frame rate is more worrisome, therefore by looking at the headlines it would go something like this for myself,
PC>>>PS4>XBox One.
PC>>>PS4>XBox One.
is strider on unreal ?
if it is then it really makes sense.. the current UR apis are probably brought over from the ps3 which did have texture space issues.
Well, I (perhaps mistakenly) thought that he implied that a user with a urinal as avatar is not the best person to judge the graphical quality of games. And ofc I wanted to brag with my limited knowledge of art
and failed miserably, damn those French names 
A-ha, gotcha
plagiarize
Banned
when both versions have different flaws, both versions are going to have their fans. I'm not playing either version, personally, because of reviews and performance, but tri linear filtering does bug the shit out of me.
I know people have accused Leadbetter of being biased towards MS, but I've never heard anyone present evidence before that Thomas Morgan is.
I know people have accused Leadbetter of being biased towards MS, but I've never heard anyone present evidence before that Thomas Morgan is.
I disagree with this somewhat. I get that anything below 1080p for this gen is pretty disappointing coming off the longest gen ever, but in some cases hitting 1080p is simply a bullet point and not the best decision. Forza 5 is 1080p, and is likely only 1080p because MS required a title that they could point to in order to deflect any 1080p/60fps criticisms for the X1. The sacrifices made to get there however mean that the actual image quality is inferior to that of some games running at lower resolutions (such as Ryse). If all else is equal, than 1080p is objectively better than 900p yes, but on the same platform, that will pretty much never be the case.
It's actually not that far fetched to think that different platform owners have different priorities when it comes to what they value in games. I'd think it's far more likely that someone posting in threads such as these, looking at fps counters, and making the point (as you are) that 1080p should always be hit by these console, and anything else is unacceptable, currently owns a PS4 (and/or a PC) due to it having a reputation for being able to hit this res more consistently. Due, to this the dev may be less willing to cut the resolution on this platform, than they would be for the X1, where the console's owners are more used to this happening. You can see plenty of examples in this thread of people saying that the resolution/fps is more important to them than the texture filtering, so it probably would even be the correct choice if this was the case right?
Kazuma Kiryu
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It doesn't drop to 18fps's.
FranXico
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How dare you question the unshakable integrity of RL and accuse DF of bias?
Well Thomas work to him, he needs a job after all. Anyway, I prefer Morgan thousand times to Leadbetter.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
I doubt this is a hardware issue. Since this wasn't so much of an issue with other titles, it could just be a software issue. The crushing blacks on the X1 was a software issue as well and once they took that out, things were noticeable much better. So in that case, hardware is not the issue. It could be, as some mentioned, due to devs either not having enough knowledge with the PS4 to know how to do it correctly or just poor choosing of texture methods.
I believe the point was, point out these offending posts instead of talking about kneejerk anti DF posts in general. If they are so rampant, point them out.
Outlast is on unreal and looks great and runs a solid 60 most of the time.
Shit devs.
The loading is abysmal as well
Colonel Nasty
Member
Welp I guess I'm gonna trade my PS4 version for the xbox one version
of a different game because sucks so far.
There are videos and screenshots included, review those to confirm or deny their observations. A "lol bias" at their conclusion/slight preference is sad on its own.
It's not even RL.
NTIETS13A_Superiority
Banned
Iq in ps4 thief is fine. Better than xbo version. Higher resolution + same aa (fxaa, wich is usually terrible) = better iq. Texture streaming "issue" and shittastic texture filtering does not change that. These threads make people dummer, I am sure of it. It sure makes me feel dummer.
DF is still a joke. Nothing can take that away from them.
People thinking lack of af is hw problem, what the heck are you even thinking? I am sure all the people who know even half of necessary avoids these threads or just laughs when stupidity unfolds.
Edit. Posting from phone sucks.
Don't want to get too far off track with this one. But Forza 5 is a jagged mess, with textures that turn to vaseline 10 feet in from of you. Ryse has much better IQ imo.
Bedameister
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After watching the video I have to say the game looks like crap on both platforms
The framerate in multiplayer is higher than Ryse's in singleplayer, which has some pretty major dips.
Apparently, due to the 16x anisotropic filtering on the XB1, over the PS4's trilinear filtering.
I dont understand this though, at least on PC switching between 16x to trilinear seems to have no impact on performance.
it's bizarre to see people who have been poring over PS4 screenshots only now become aware of its consistent shortcomings in texture filtering. not that the xbone has been doing much better.
we had this all out in november: http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=711760
we had this all out in november: http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=711760
plagiarize
Banned
excuse, me, but how do you figure that texture filtering and streaming issues aren't a matter of image quality? of course they are.
Dead Rising 3's infamous low framerate screen grab I believe was from a moment where the game stuttered for a fraction of a second on a load or a save, which DF generally don't consider when they're looking at a games performance.
If that was intentional that's hilarious. If it is not intentional, that is hilarious.
condompickle
Banned
Well, I (perhaps mistakenly) thought that he implied that a user with a urinal as avatar is not the best person to judge the graphical quality of games. And ofc I wanted to brag with my limited knowledge of artand failed miserably, damn those French names
I agree with you. I still can't tell the difference between 360 and xbone games.
btw youre not bad with your art history. you knew he was french as least.
Commanche Raisin Toast
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But I'm still scratching my head as to why they claim it's the better console version when it has more cons than pros.
+ground textures smoother at a distance
-less stable frame rate
-looking at screenshots looks like there's no tesselation at all
-lower resolution
no, your spelling sucks.
dragonbane
Member
There are some dumm people out there yeah.
Right? 5 FPS better is pretty much a wash at such low framerates, but rending 633k more pixels while maintaining a steadier higher framerate is quite a bit
Trilinear vs anisotropic filtering is bullshit, seeing as anisotropic filtering isn't even resource intensive on modern hardware. Someone flip the wrong setting? Otherwise is the 5FPs on such a terribly optimized game worth it?
plagiarize
Banned
Because after highlighting the measurable differences, which of those differences matter most is a matter of opinion. DF provide factual analysis, with transparent methodology, and then make an opinion based recommendation on which game to get, which is backed up by their reasoning.
if you don't care about AF and you have a PS4 and an Xbox One, this article provides you with all the information you need to know that you want to buy the PS4 version.
dat PS4
WTF is going on here.. do textures take a while to load on the PS4 or do they just stay like that for the entirety of the game?
mugurumakensei
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The real take away is buy it on the pc if you have a gaming pc.
FranXico
Member
They don't, they take a bit longer to stream for some reason...
That is a rather good question. As ghst points out, this is not new news:
Not sure if any conclusion has been reached.