01011001
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the biggest issue is RAM tho. each virtual xbox one would need around 8GB of ram
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[Digital Foundry] Xbox Series X Complete Specs + Ray Tracing/Gears 5/Back-Compat/Quick Resume Demo Showcase!
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the biggest issue is RAM tho. each virtual xbox one would need around 8GB of ram
DaGwaphics
Member
Was just thinking of that myself, the server blades probably have more memory.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I got the impression the SX controller was going to have a stupid sealed battery like the pos DS4 from the article about the new controller on the Xbox website saying it had a modern cable for charging. Assuming this guy knows wtf he's talking about it would appear that we will still have AAs, Hallelujah!!!
This looks way better than expected. CPU 8c/16t is great, 16gb is great, 1tb SSD. High/stable freqencies.
Hard to pinpoint how powerful the GPU would be. What's the peak power consumption for the GPU?
I love how MS seems to be commited to reducing input latency. And just doing a lot of things right.
Hard to pinpoint how powerful the GPU would be. What's the peak power consumption for the GPU?
I love how MS seems to be commited to reducing input latency. And just doing a lot of things right.
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JLB
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Minecraft is the biggest MS IP, it makes sense. And Minecraft with Ray Tracing is simply beautiful.
Personally, THE game I want to see running on Series X is Forza Motorsport 8.
JLB
Banned
Yeah, both consoles seem to be really great this time.
My concern is pricing in the context of economic recession.
What claim did Nvidia make exactly?
As I understand it, all they did was post a slide with ">NEXT GEN CONSOLE".
What does that ">" mean?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well thanks for letting me know how I should behave
. You are free to read into them what you want, I am excited for things exciting, reflect on what causes me to ponder, etc... not my direct or indirect aim to make people feel bad about their console allegiance and I am not doing anything to that effect, I think.So, if you feel less hyped because of what I said, you are free to ignore what I said and/or have your group PM chat where I cannot nor really want to be there and ruin the fun. I do hope you keep discussing, staying hyped and have fun here and yes even tell me off if you believe I am out of line.
Still, you also need to realise that this is not any company’s free marketing platform and these are not fan safe spaces where nothing not exclusively positive would hurt the feelings of people automatically and has to be banned from public discourse.
Lort
Banned
When your RTX game brings the fastest nvidia cards to its knees and your console can match it .. you want to show that.
This is all about the technical specs and you’ll see the games soon enough..
DoctaThompson
Banned
That's is the greater than sign. A mobile variant of the rtx 2080 > next gen. I'd imagine the mobile rtx 2080 would be on par with desktop 2070.
So in what respect is it greater? Features, power consuption, performance? If in performance, performance in what kinds of applications?
DoctaThompson
Banned
Performance, raytracing, etc. Looking at the desktop space, this holds true for current gpu's, and for several years now.
Mista
Banned
Are you going to say the same thing tomorrow after the PS5 gets revealed?Well thanks for letting me know how I should behave
So, if you feel less hyped because of what I said, you are free to ignore what I said and/or have your group PM chat where I cannot nor really want to be there and ruin the fun. I do hope you keep discussing, staying hyped and have fun here and yes even tell me off if you believe I am out of line.
Still, you also need to realise that this is not any company’s free marketing platform and these are not fan safe spaces where nothing not exclusively positive would hurt the feelings of people automatically and has to be banned from public discourse.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
The reasoning behind showing Minecraft was simple. It's a game that demonstrates the effect of ray tracing in an obvious and straight-forward manner. Most games you'd struggle to even tell the difference outside of reflections. This is where the "The Future is Chrome" type memes spawned from.
Mass Shift
Member
I have no doubt we're going to get plenty proper next gen showcases very soon, just don't expect to play any of them until late 21
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
If people have something not positive to say about it, I personally think it is fine as long as they try to be constructive, not just gloating and trolling the other console fans, and they are honest (last is very difficult to judge of course)... even just a bit. Else we may disagree and may discuss about it.
If some people keep posting one line trolls and fake concern drive by crap/lesbian jokes at TLoU2 for the n-th time and just throw shit to try to make other people mad for the lulz? I would react the same way with someone trolling/astroturfing MS threads with the same nasty attitude and tactics.
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Mista
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Then whats your issue now since theres people that are doing what you just said on here? Trolling in Xbox threads is fine but if it happened in PS threads I'm going to put my warrior pants on? I don't understand...
Moses85
Member
Longcat
Member
Yeah, unless they change it before release, AA batteries are confirmed. Check 19:02 in this video.
And he says it has a "nice clicky action" dpad, so I guess that answers my question from the previous page. Booo!
Silent Viper
Banned
Question- If we keep suspending so many games then wont system run out of memory?
Mista
Banned
Maybe you're limited to two-three games
yep tomorrow, lol
Mista
Banned
The odds eh?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Am I saying nobody is trolling? No, beside how could I exclude it, do you expect me to read every post? No.
I do think there is a certain over reaction in some threads as soon as someone breaks the party conga line, this being one of them.
Mista
Banned
Sure.
pawel86ck
Banned
Gears 5 at 100fps and 4K ultra? I wonder how they did it, on PC not even RTX 2080S can run Gears 5 so smooth at ultra settings (just around 50fps, not to mention with even higher settings). RDNA2 is either far more efficient than I thought, or game is using some dynamic resoluton or VRS (after all VRS can offer 70% boost to performance according to 3dmark)
And it looks like SDD is even more impressive than GPU:
velocity architecture utilise SDD in order to multiply (2-3x, so around 32-48GB RAM equivalent) effective physical memory developers can use. Texture quality on next gen consoles will skyrocket compared to current gen, and I wonder how much VRAM will be needed to run next gen ports on PC (Titan RTX 24GB owners should be fine however).
And it looks like SDD is even more impressive than GPU:
velocity architecture utilise SDD in order to multiply (2-3x, so around 32-48GB RAM equivalent) effective physical memory developers can use. Texture quality on next gen consoles will skyrocket compared to current gen, and I wonder how much VRAM will be needed to run next gen ports on PC (Titan RTX 24GB owners should be fine however
).Well, we know that the 5700 XT is already on par with the 2070 in performance, and that the XSX GPU has 30% more CUs than the 5700 XT, with a 4% lower "boost" clock and a 4% higher game clock. We also know from DF that in Gears 5, performance is already at ballpark 2080 levels.
And we know that the 90W version of the RTX 2080 Max-Q is clocked 35% slower than the desktop RTX 2080, which if performance scales accordingly, would put at around the RTX 2060 level.
So I doubt Nvidia was talking about rasterisation performance. They might still have faster raytracing, but them saying their technology is better doesn't prove this, since Nvidia always claim their technology is better than AMD's.
Kenpachii
Member
Gears 5 at 100fps and 4K ultra? I wonder how they did it, on PC not even RTX 2080S can run Gears 5 so smooth at ultra settings (just around 50fps, not to mention with even higher settings). RDNA2 is either far more efficient than I thought, or game is using some dynamic resoluton or VRS (after all VRS can offer 70% boost to performance according to 3dmark)
And it looks like SDD is even more impressive than GPU:
velocity architecture utilise SDD in order to multiply (2-3x, so around 32-48GB RAM equivalent) effective physical memory developers can use. Texture quality on next gen consoles will skyrocket compared to current gen, and I wonder how much VRAM will be needed to run next gen ports on PC (Titan RTX 24GB owners should be fine however
PC has nvme drives also mate. SSD aint replacing ram mate.
But keep dreaming.
Also a 2080ti sits at 60 fps on ultra at 4k.I think they are full of shit. There is no way that thing was running above pc settings at double 2080ti performance.
It's most likely a cut down version.
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DoctaThompson
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I wouldn't put Gears 5 performance in that ballpark of the 2080 at all. The game showed frame drops when the camera was moving towards the raytraced lighting. The game wasn't running 4k when they mentioned 100 fps. You'll even see really bad frame drops in Minecraft, and it looks nothing like Minecraft RTX.
If people want to believe Microsoft literally just started working on Minecraft or Gears 5.... Then what would they have planned to show us if e3, gdc, and all of the conventions were not cancelled? That really sounds fishy.
Also, AMD is debuting it's next gen graphics.... In the form of a console... Before they even reveal the pc gpu's?! I guess you can't expect much from what we have seen this far, from Microsoft or from AMD 4xx, 5xx, Vega 56/64, and now 5xxx/xt... Maybe we'll be proven wrong, but I won't get my hopes up...
pawel86ck
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Yes, but PC SDD dont use hardware decompression and whole technology that went into velocity architecture. Video from my previous post explains in details why developers will be able to use 2-3x as much RAM (to make long story short, because thanks to velocity architecture they dont need to load into RAM nearly as much) .
DoctaThompson
Banned
Gears 5 at 100fps and 4K ultra? I wonder how they did it, on PC not even RTX 2080S can run Gears 5 so smooth at ultra settings (just around 50fps, not to mention with even higher settings). RDNA2 is either far more efficient than I thought, or game is using some dynamic resoluton or VRS (after all VRS can offer 70% boost to performance according to 3dmark)
And it looks like SDD is even more impressive than GPU:
velocity architecture utilise SDD in order to multiply (2-3x, so around 32-48GB RAM equivalent) effective physical memory developers can use. Texture quality on next gen consoles will skyrocket compared to current gen, and I wonder how much VRAM will be needed to run next gen ports on PC (Titan RTX 24GB owners should be fine however
Definitely not 100fps @ native 4k. The PR hype train is so strong, and it's gonna be funny to see it crash and burn when comparisons get made.
VFXVeteran
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Thanks for this. It's funny how DF is very careful not to specify what resolution they expect games on consoles to run at. That is a big elephant in the room. I'm not sure people will want to go back to 1080p@30FPS for a full RTX-enabled game. There just isn't enough bandwidth to run at 4k res.
pawel86ck
Banned
It sure looks really strange. I'm not so sure if even 2080ti can run Gears 5 at 100fps (ultra settings). RDNA2 is either far supperior than people thought or they have used some clever tricks and gimmicks just to show off.
VFXVeteran
Banned
All of these demos and articles shy away from telling you what resolution these demos are rendered at. You can rationalize pretty quickly why.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Nah Scorpion has Scorpion in the console, does not has to mean anything.
Musky_Cheese
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Please include option to turn off RTX!
Not every game needs every pixel flashlighting into your retina.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
There are people doing that, they get called out, others just discussing and people throwing a hissy fit because they thought this thread was on a private official Xbox forum server or something... the latter I have an issue with and would with the same behaviour in reverse, but if you were intent to sort of pick up a fight over this not sure what I can do about it
. Unless I am mistaking your attitude here, sorry about that if so.Drive by shitty trolling and then victim card <Company>GAF shouting is not fine in either camp, but if
TBiddy
or you wanted to pass my posts with a fine toothed comb... fine. Fill your boots . You may discover I am not... 
... perfect .DF's Gears 5 performance claims were based on the results from the game's internal benchmark tool, so they should be objective. Hopefully DF will be able to release the results, as they say they will be doing another video on this soon. Minecraft was running at 30 FPS - 60 FPs and the jitters were caused by the encoding method.
My guess is Microsoft is still saving their firepower for E3-time and these demos were thrown together to take advantage of us all being at home! Is it a coincidence that Sony is doing the same thing tomorrow?
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Rolling_Start
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Maybe not. Parts of the dash could be paged to SSD or elsewhere. And you aren't going to watch Netlfix PiP with the processing and overlay running on this thing.
Game runs on this, your social media shit runs on your phone (you social twat!!).
4 X 5 GB per game means 20 GB.
Cloud instance could manage 20GB with frequency reduced 16 GBit ram at 12 Ghz.
For all the important game running shit that's fine.
Imagine thinking that a PC NVME was the same as what's talked about here.
Imagine thinking that peak PC performance rates are sustainable in perpetuity regardless of drive, or that just any PC could run the compression, paging and blending operations in real time regardless of performance impact.
Imagine being that guy.
Also: I expect PS5 to be as forward thinking, or perhaps even more. Peak means little, sustainable means everything.
VFXVeteran
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You realize you will see every game in 4K as your output right?
I'm more interested in the target render framebuffer. That tells you the true power of the GPU. Upscaling will look horrible on 4k displays with 1080p renders upscaled.
DoctaThompson
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This alone disproves every crazy claim in this thread in regards to being comparable to an rtx 2080. I mean, do people think the series x is double the performance of a 2080 Ti or Rtx Titan?!
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Rolling_Start
Banned
1080p upscaled correctly will look like 1080p. Boom! Everyone wins!
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
1. DF stated, "we were shown benchmark results that, on this two-week-old, unoptimised port(Gears 5), already deliver very, very similar performance to an RTX 2080."
2. 16GB of RAM with all the new memory-saving techniques and SSD tech will be fine. Even the 2080 Super has "only" 8GB VRAM and it should be more performant than XSX. PC to console for memory requirements is like comparing apples-to-oranges(i.e. - X1X has 12GB RAM total, 9GB for games. Try playing games on a PC with RX 580 8GB and 4GB system memory and see what happens).
3. Path tracing is extremely hard on performance. Quake II RTX, Path tracing demo on 2060 Super:
From around 1000fps to 43fps at 1080p.
2. 16GB of RAM with all the new memory-saving techniques and SSD tech will be fine. Even the 2080 Super has "only" 8GB VRAM and it should be more performant than XSX. PC to console for memory requirements is like comparing apples-to-oranges(i.e. - X1X has 12GB RAM total, 9GB for games. Try playing games on a PC with RX 580 8GB and 4GB system memory and see what happens).
3. Path tracing is extremely hard on performance. Quake II RTX, Path tracing demo on 2060 Super:
From around 1000fps to 43fps at 1080p.
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Apollo Helios
Member
I was looking at the photos at xbox wire, the console is amazing and all but I just realized that it doesn't have an optical out port on the back... How am I going to connect my sound system to this now?
VFXVeteran
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Nothing is ever enough. We should all know that by now. 16G of memory isn't enough for the visuals that everyone wants. The next-gen consoles won't have all available memory just for graphics. The PC has a separate memory pool for CPU stuff (i.e. running the game, loading levels, etc..). If we shoot for ray-tracing, it will be memory bandwidth limited. 1080p will surely be the standard for the consoles while the high end GPUs will be able to render at true 4k with much larger memory footprints.