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DigitalFoundry analysis of DOOM for Nintendo Switch
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ExigentContact
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The point is that people are making frame performance the be all and end all when it really isn't and never have been. I'd prefer Doom Switch at 60 like everyone else but I think it being a late port is going to pose a bigger risk to its sales than it not being 60 FPS, but with the way people are acting in this thread, it's as if framerate is the only thing that matters.
I think he was talking about the wrong launch price for Doom Switch (in a trolling way? ... maybe)
As I said before, I don't know how many people will buy a full price Doom port this year, if you literally have a cheap PS4/One version everywhere.
But people who loves portability and Nintendo-only players will buy it even at full price, that's for sure.
The switch is slightly bigger than an NES cartridge, it's not a bad port it's just that 60fps is beyond what the switch is capable of.
Is it a locked 30 FPS? Wonder what the framerate range would be if that was unlocked?
I also haven't been super-impressed by Panic Button's port of Rocket League from the footage I've seen. I don't think "Hulk Hogan's Main Event" for Kinect is a technical showpiece, so I'm not sold on them being able to code to the metal. The fact that ID isn't doing this internally means we can't assume this is the max performance they could get out of Switch.
I also haven't been super-impressed by Panic Button's port of Rocket League from the footage I've seen. I don't think "Hulk Hogan's Main Event" for Kinect is a technical showpiece, so I'm not sold on them being able to code to the metal. The fact that ID isn't doing this internally means we can't assume this is the max performance they could get out of Switch.
ScaryShark
Banned
I don't think we have to worry about that.
tomwhite2004
Member
A toaster spec PC still has more power than the switch though....
The à¹ÛBronx
Member
Yeh, claiming that 60FPS is unacceptable for Doom (2016) handheld is your personal criteria.
Validate whatever you want from sales, people with other platforms and an interest in the game will have bought it by now. It's beyond obvious that this version is for people without those options, or those looking to get it for the Switch's utility, not because they want the best version of the game.
Yeah, watching that video at 30 fps literally hurt my eyes a bit, and I'm not someone who usually cares about frame rate. It's just too fast and twitchy, and anything less than 60 makes me feel a bit dizzy when trying to keep up with the action on screen.
I only hope it's 30 on handheld and they use the boost from dock mode to increase the frame rate to 60. At least with it being on a small handheld I won't feel as dizzy (I watched this on my phone too and it didn't make me feel as bad when it was 30fps) as I did watching that on my 50 inch TV. I'll gladly take 720p with dynamic resolutions for a 60fps frame rate.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Honestly, Rocket League didn't look too great on the Direct either, so I am expecting similiar performance and resolution as Doom on the Switch.
BassForever
Member
Did df get this analysis from the final retail build of the game? Or from a work in progress build? If the game isn't out for another 2 or 3 months they probably aren't finished with whatever optimization they're doing correct?
Well nvm then, we'll see.
They became big on PS4/XboxOne drama after all. When those launched the spec war was on full display and everyone who wanted ammo went to DF.
No not implying that at all.
Uncharted 4 single player is playable and that's 30fps. Just Cause 3 is not though.
Of course I'd always prefer a higher frame rate (who wouldn't), but for me there are certain games that I just don't enjoy at low framerates, first person shooters, sports games, and racing games.
But I've enjoyed games that don't meet that "criteria", Motorstorm, and Killzone 2 for one.
Anyway at this stage it's all meaningless, as none of us have seen any direct footage yet, so it could look damn good on the switch screen, add to that it's not a finished version these people have seen, so by release it could be a stable 30fps with motion blur.
I've found in some cases that clever use of motion blur can make 30fps games feel a little better.
Then they shouldn't have bothered porting it in the first place.
Rocket League is 60fps tho.
OT but... why would you do that?
I don't think anyone is arguing that 60fps is superior to 30fps. That's the case for every fps.
Rocket League is 720p 60fps in portable mode.
They sacrificed a lot to get there but its strengths and weaknesses are completely different from DOOM.
Peterthumpa
Member
It must be painful for you to watch TV or movies, poor man.
Gotdatmoney
Member
540p is the handheld resolution correct?
IIRC, Rocket League was running at 60 fps at E3, though with the caveat that it was 720p in both handheld and docked modes.
They based the framerate analysis on their hands-on with the undocked version of the game. Everything else is based on the trailer vs. a Switch-like PC.
Just to be clear, I think in no way that it's a bad port because of 30fps - it's just not what I want out of Doom. Even portable.
For what the Switch is and for what Doom 2016 is, there is most likely no other outcome to get it to run like that on a portable. But if they'd implement a 60fps option in there somehow, even at the expense of resolution or/and even more details, I would gladly take it.
Hopefully there are some interviews that go in depth with the developer and on motion controls which is the other big opportunity in this port for me. Splatoon 2, Doom and Wolfenstein 2 could do huge things to implement motion aiming as a standard option on consoles.
For what the Switch is and for what Doom 2016 is, there is most likely no other outcome to get it to run like that on a portable. But if they'd implement a 60fps option in there somehow, even at the expense of resolution or/and even more details, I would gladly take it.
Hopefully there are some interviews that go in depth with the developer and on motion controls which is the other big opportunity in this port for me. Splatoon 2, Doom and Wolfenstein 2 could do huge things to implement motion aiming as a standard option on consoles.
Alexander DeLarge
Member
Are you really comparing a twitch shooter to a film just because it's shot in 24FPS?
physical >>>> digital and I don't think I'd be elligible for a refund for the digital version now because I've played it for longer than 14 hours or whatever the limit is on refunds for digital games.
DeuceGamer
Member
But according to the OP Digital Foundry states "it's a good port".
JonnyDBrit
Member
It's what DF were using through 1080p at a 50% resolution scale. We don't actually know what the Switch runs at resolution wise, either docked or undocked.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Missed that, thanks. As I said, I think the game received a big downgrade graphics wise.
But it's not the same engine of Doom, am i right? Totally different.
Maybe that's way Rocket League can reach 60 fps on Switch.
Refreshment.01
Member
Or you can be practical.
Much like Doom 2016, Rage was another game were high frame rate was marked it as an integral part of the experience. i played that game not at 30 but at 24 fps, while "feelback" wasn't as satisfying as a 60 fps output the gameplay wasn't sacrificed in any meaningful way due to the lower fps as that developer quote implies. As long as it's not in a competitive environment, locked 30 fps is more than enough for these single player campaigns.
Dam people are out for blood with this thread.
ScaryShark
Banned
I think you would honestly collapse if you played a Switch. For your personal well-being, I don't think you should use one.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
You gonna quote posters abd show some proof or just continue to driveby system War shitpost?
*for a tablet.
Watch the video when they will post back up and read between the lines.
Still hope the game will look better than the trailer which they used for comparison.
SinCityAssassin
Member
It's Unreal Engine 3, which technically isn't supported by Switch so they had to do some technical workarounds to make it work.
Wonder Peter
Member
Why not? They want to make more money out of it and ported to another platform. If people want to play it on the go now they can, of course it's a downgrade compared to other platforms but I see no reason to avoid making the port.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
They had to use Direct footage because they couldn't record at the event, yeah, they played it.
We're living an age where people seem to feel litteraly sick when they watch 30fps.
Must have been hard for them back then being constantly sick.
Anyways, this went from a day 1 to 'Let's see how it'll perform.' If they manage to have an overall stable experience I'm still in. If I absolutely need 60fps I'll stick to my PS4/PC versions.
They stated on their YouTube description that they actually played the game on the Switch.
But as the embargo appears to not allow direct footage at this stage, rather than just film a man talking about the game, they wanted some filler. Hence the trailer, and then building an equivalent spec pc to try and show people what Doom on Switch looks like.
Yeah it's using a modified version of Unreal Engine 3. It's actually less efficient than idTech so the performance is more impressive. They understood the importance of 60FPS and adjusted their version to reach it.
Thanks for your answer.
Thank you for answer too.
Also: nice profile pic, my dude. Where I can find it in high resolution? lol
killatopak
Gold Member
well this is a technical performance thread after all. 1fps drop would seem like a big deal here compared to most threads. I'm sure there are still people who would love to play Doom on Switch, just don't expect them to be here unless the port is perfect.
I wonder if MP is 60fps or 30fps as well?
I see. So they used footage of something NOT the Switch game and just spoke about their impressions? No off-screen footage at all?