VistraNorrez
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Considering there is no public announcement, and that Pixar has retooled quite a few of their films deep into production, I wouldn't pay much attention to this.
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DisneyPixar Newt canceled?
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WTF? The Snow Queen and King of the Elves could have been really interesting (if they are the films I'm thinking of). It isn't like Disney has loads of interesting new films in the pipeline...Captain N said:http://progresscityusa.com/2010/02/10/and-the-hits-keep-on-comin/
A Disney animator said "Newt is Dead".
Disney has been canceling movies left and right.
the Snow Queen
King of the Elves
now Newt?
As for Newt...since it is a pixar film, isn't it money in the bag?
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Until there is official word, let's not panic.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Whatever they do make is gonna be dope. If they wanna devote more time to making the films they are going to release even doper, so be it.
WordAssassin
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That's the general consensus on the matter. When their slate was announced, newt and Bear & Bow were bookended by Toy Story 3 and Cars 2.Captain N said:
Here's what I think is going on. People started freaking out with the Cars 2 release date mixup. newt is fine, until someone from Disney or Pixar officially says otherwise. Snow Queen and Elves were never officially announced for release, but newt was AND was given a release date. I think Queen and Elves have been put on the back burner again, so to speak, but they are not canned. Fraidy Cat, Moby Dick, THOSE movies are canned.
Perhaps Queen and Elves were put on hold while they try to think up something with a little more mass-market appeal to get people back into 2D? I'm *sure* Pooh will be fine. They've apparently even shown WIP clips of it.
But I refuse to believe Pixar would can a film until I hear it from them. They don't just kill off a movie because it's not working, they work on it more until it's fixed. They did that with Toy Story 2, Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, and Wall-E, and Lasseter has done the same with three other movies at Disney. I can not believe they would start now with newt.
red shoe paul
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Aw noooo, I really was looking forward for it! I wonder why..
More time for Cars 2 maybe?
More time for Cars 2 maybe?
WordAssassin
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What does that have to do with anything? The way Pixar is set up, they work on 3-4 movies at a time.red shoe paul said:
Like I said, as of November 2009, I stood outside the building they're working on newt in. I have a picture of it somewhere, I'll try to find it.
Hell, they're even building an entirely new, 4-story building on Pixar's campus to accommodate a larger work load for making more movies each year. (They want to start making 2 a year, reportedly.)
Edit: You edited while I was writing, but it doesn't change much. And Cars 2 comes out a year ahead of newt. Still no problems there.
lordoftherink
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what.the.fuck.Anticitizen One said:
Doesn't make any sense, but then, I'm one of the crazy people that loved Princess and the Frog, so I guess I'm definitely not part of the demographic Disney is targeting with this change.
Disney was working on a movie called Space Chimps at one point! nuts.
I think next year is when they start with two Pixar movies a year. It's nuts to think we'll be getting 2 a year from now on. We'll probably get one in june and that movie will get a dvd / blu-ray release around the time of the fall release. The fall release will get a dvd / blu-ray release around March.
WordAssassin said:
I think next year is when they start with two Pixar movies a year. It's nuts to think we'll be getting 2 a year from now on. We'll probably get one in june and that movie will get a dvd / blu-ray release around the time of the fall release. The fall release will get a dvd / blu-ray release around March.
WordAssassin
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Is it next year? Oh snap!Captain N said:
jamesinclair
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Anticitizen One said:
Honestly, I have to agree with them.
Why did Princess and the Frog do badly?
-2D?
-Black lead?
-Princess?
I don't think anybody knows for sure. Disney probably did a shitload of consumer surveys but they'll never release the data to us.
I think it was all three reasons. Young boys don't want to see a princess movie, kids see the commercials and are more attracted to 3D chipmunks and the race thing is in the back of the mind.
Aaron Strife
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What the fuck? They're canceling The Snow Queen?
BASTAAAAAAARDS!
BASTAAAAAAARDS!
Christoff Yurievich
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wait, what? Really?Littleberu said:
Anticitizen One
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jamesinclair said:
Thats BS. When I was little me and everyone at school (girls and boys) saw Little Mermaid, Beauty & The Beast, and Aladdin. All of those are princess movies and we liked them all just fine. Everyone still loves the 1930s classic Snow White.
jamesinclair
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Anticitizen One said:
None of those movies have the word "Princess" in their title
BTW, US box office (in millions) of disney movies 89-99
Lion King: 329
Aladdin: 217
Tarzan: 171
Beauty and Beast: 145
Pocahontas: 141
Mulan: 120
Hunchback: 100
Hercules: 99
Little Mermaid: 84
Do you also note the correlation between the sex of the lead and the performance?
Didn't some studio say a few years ago that they would no longer produce movies with a female lead? Marvel I think?
Female lead + black lead + PRINCESS = not so hot box office.
I think if you interview people, and ask why they didn't see it, I don't think a single one of them will say "because it's a black girl" or anything like that. But unfortunately, behind the scenes, I think that may be the case.
Im sure someone has done a regression model with 500 data points proving the correlation or not. I'd like to see it.
Also, this is just Disney. If we start adding pixar and dreamworks... Not a single pixar movie has a female lead, and their revenue blows away the above list. In fact, their movies are very strongly aimed at the traditional male segment......cars, super heroes, robots...
There's been a lot of evidence pointing to Monsters, Inc. 2 being in the works, but it's hardly confirmed. We know Peter Docter isn't directing it, he confirmed that much. I've been assuming Bob Peterson (voice of Roz, Monsters, Inc. story supervisor and Up co-director) is heading it up. We know he shifted off Up to work on his own feature and he was heavily involved in the original and a trusted partner of Pete Docter's. Makes sense to me.allegate said:
Current word is it's been canned again... whether that's true or not, I don't know.WordAssassin said:
The report was that Iger said Cars 2 was a December 2011 release, not summer 2012. I can't say I've seen denials of that, but I haven't been very in touch with the news the last couple weeks.WordAssassin said:
Well, it was going to be Cars 2 and The Bear and the Bow in 2011. I don't think they were immediately going to two films a year however; the plan was for three films every two years.WordAssassin said:
Big Baybee
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:lolavatar299 said:
People are saying the princess & the frog "flopped", but according tot wikipedia it did $210,951,400 worldwide (and it's still running in my country), while it needed to make $105 million to break even..
Add to this the DVD & Bluray release and licensing which are always doing very well for disney movies, and I can't image this not being profitable.
Add to this the DVD & Bluray release and licensing which are always doing very well for disney movies, and I can't image this not being profitable.
It's really sad that the only reason Cars 2 exists is for Pixar make a lot of money, even if that will allow them to fund new project. But really, Cars 2? The first one was terribly slow and there was nothing amazingly interesting about it. Maybe that was just me.
Toy Story 3 is acceptable simply because it's Toy Story, but I really hope they stop it there. Also, Monsters Inc 2. Anything else needs to die.
Toy Story 3 is acceptable simply because it's Toy Story, but I really hope they stop it there. Also, Monsters Inc 2. Anything else needs to die.
so it's still wait and see. If it is cancelled though, then I guess there would be good reasons. The concept sounds good, but as other have said, it is a lot like The Princess and the Frog in some respects. The problem i have would be suddenly seeing so many sequels with only The Bear and the bow in between.
As for The Princess and the Frog, I guess they would have expected to at least match Enchanted. The marketing, the schedule and the name might have been a problem but the film itself was great so hopefully they'll stick with it. At least the merchandising has apparently done great, so maybe that will make them happy.
As for The Princess and the Frog, I guess they would have expected to at least match Enchanted. The marketing, the schedule and the name might have been a problem but the film itself was great so hopefully they'll stick with it. At least the merchandising has apparently done great, so maybe that will make them happy.
Black-Wind
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Hope your right, these movies sound interesting.avatar299 said:
Someone on Gaf told me that the merchandise for Cars reached somewhere near $5 billion. That's a crap load of cash right there. You're not the only one who feels Cars was average. It wasn't a terrible film by any means, just mediocre/average compared to some of Pixar's other films. If making the sequel will help Pixar fund some of their more quirky/unique films, so be it.bluebird said:
WordAssassin
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Still don't believe newt is canned.
Took this in November '09 outside of "Jersey", Pixar's satellite studio.
But, in reguards to Cars 2:
Took this in November '09 outside of "Jersey", Pixar's satellite studio.
But, in reguards to Cars 2:
Cars was a good movie, just not as good as Pixar's other films. But have you seen the Cars Toons they've made? (Short films based in the Cars world, as told by Mater) They are excellent and if the new movie, which takes place out of Radiator Springs and instead is all over the world, is anything like those shorts then I think it'll blow the first movie away.bluebird said:
GhaleonQ
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I think Pixar's a mediocre animation studio, even compared to other commercial studios, but this isn't good news for anyone.
http://tinyurl.com/yfbpwpo
Who's ready for a return to cut-rate 1970's Disney and Cars 3, 4, and 5?
http://tinyurl.com/yfbpwpo
Who's ready for a return to cut-rate 1970's Disney and Cars 3, 4, and 5?
Stumpokapow
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GhaleonQ said:
70s Disney had Robin Hood and Winnie the Pooh, both solid flicks. The Adventurers wasn't awful but obviously it's a little lower tier. Aristocats I'd say is somewhere near the middle of Disney's output.
2000s Disney, on the other hand, is pretty barren. Emperor's New Groove and Lilo & Stitch are both pretty good, and then you have an ocean of shit: Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Home on the Range, Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt. Princess and the Frog is something of a return to form, but it's more a return to mediocre Disney than it is a return to top shelf stuff.
GhaleonQ
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Stumpokapow said:
Obviously, anything of quality can come from any budget. The animation, however, was extremely rough in the 1970's. It worked in Robin Hood because of the complex setpieces, but Winnie-The-Pooh and the rest are so elementary and have no complex shots whatsoever. Reused shots, warped figures, and odd pacing are embarrassing. At least The Princess And The Frog had competent Eric Goldberg faces.
(Also, while the quality and animation of Treasure Planet's debatable [I love it and think Musker and Clements nail every other movie], Meet The Robinsons' design and animation are objectively the best since the early 1990's. It's also 1 of the few funny Disney movies.)
Littleberu
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Willy105 said:
Treasure Planet and Brother Bear aren't "awesome". They are subpar animated movies made by Disney. Meet the Robinsons has a few gags worth a laugh in it, and is pretty interesting, but it's not "fantastic". Bolt is on the right track, charming, simple, light and technically impressive sometimes.
megashock5
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GhaleonQ said:
Explain, please.
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