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DmC |OT| No, F*ck You!

Sorian

Banned
Judging by that ending it didn't seem like there was much of a difference in IQ between the two... in fact I would say Vergil made the dumb choice there.

Plus it was Dante who came up with the idea to use Lilith as bait exchange. If Dante is motivated he is just as smart as Vergil but he is rarely as motivated as Vergil.

Lillith is kind of a moot point, you have to remember that Vergil didn't know about Lillith's importance. He couldn't formulate that plan without the variable that only Dante knew. And the ending, eh I wouldn't say Vergil was dumb or smart in that case. That was just two people seeing the world through a different lens.
 

Anteater

Member
The whole smart vs meathead does make sense and I don't think anyone would argue about that, but they just didn't do a good job executing that idea, lol.
 
- will do

- 23, 24, 25, 29, 30, 50, 59, 60 and I'm 99% sure 120hz. Only have a 120hz monitor at the office and friday was a long day so I can't say I'm 100% sure but I think I checked.
- no stuttering whatsoever, been playing on a 590 GTX and a 690 GTX
- Textures are definitely crisper than the console version, haven't seen the PC port without HD textures
- no separate menu, all settings are main menu, the settings are as follows

Gamma
Resolution
Framerate (see above)
Fullscreen
V Sync
Graphics Quality (low med high ultra)
HD Textures (gloriouspcgamingmasterrace.jpeg)
HD Anti Aliasing (doesn't state if it's FXAA or MSAA or w/e
HD Shadows

Never played the demo it's skips after 2 - 3 seconds on my rig but I'm playing on an insanely overpowered prebuilt machine that I'm reviewing so your mileage may very

perfect, thanks for taking the time.

I really wonder what they mean by "partial controller support" though...
 

Anteater

Member
Man all the bosses were lame and the story was bad bad stuff. Nu Dante was a straight up unlikable cunt and the whole
we killed your baby stuff rubbed me the wrong way
even though it was a demon.

Anyways the gameplay is decent enough which is surprising but my expectations for DmC were rock bottom to begin with.

? are you talking about the end of the game? *spoilers*
Dante did it to piss off Mundus, he didn't want to kill the baby, he thought it was fucked up too, it was Vergil's idea to begin with and him who killed it.
 

LTWheels

Member
Judging by that ending it didn't seem like there was much of a difference in IQ between the two... in fact I would say Vergil made the dumb choice there.

Plus it was Dante who came up with the idea to use Lilith as bait exchange. If Dante is motivated he is just as smart as Vergil but he is rarely as motivated as Vergil.

Vergil didn't know that Lilith was pregnant. They establish that Mundus doesn't actually care about Lilith, only what was in her womb.

I expect that the DLC will have significant character development for Vergil. It is called Vergil's Downfall so we know what direction his character is going to go.
 

Chamber

love on your sleeve
The whole smart vs meathead does make sense and I don't think anyone would argue about that, but they just didn't do a good job executing that idea, lol.

Basically, this. I'm glad they tried a different take instead of rehashing the same Dante/Vergil dynamic from DMC3. They could have done it way better but I definitely like the idea.
 

Sorian

Banned
? are you talking about the end of the game? *spoilers*
Dante did it to piss off Mundus, he didn't want to kill the baby, he thought it was fucked up too, it was Vergil's idea to begin with.

Had to lure out the big bad somehow
shotgun abortion
 

nbthedude

Member
perfect, thanks for taking the time.

I really wonder what they mean by "partial controller support" though...



That usually means there is a launcher of some sort that will require you to click a mouse button to start the game.

For example, Far Cry 3 is "partial" controller support just because it has to use the Ubisoft launcher where you have to use your mouse to boot it.

Full controller support means that you can launch the game entirely from a controller and never have to use a keyboard or mouse.
 

Veelk

Banned
The only time Vergil displays intelligence is when hacking is involved and I don't really count that as its just technobabble. And even then he tripped the tampering alarm that Kat warned him about. Vergil display any kind of intelligence that was above the ordinary, making him just weaker than Dante and not at all his equal.
 
? are you talking about the end of the game? *spoilers*
Dante did it to piss off Mundus, he didn't want to kill the baby, he thought it was fucked up too, it was Vergil's idea to begin with and him who killed it.

Yeah I get that. Everything about it (what vergil did, what dante said) was really off putting and lame to me.

This is where I'm kinda shocked cause I figured NT would have come up with something better.
 

Sorian

Banned
The only time Vergil displays intelligence is when hacking is involved and I don't really count that as its just technobabble. And even then he tripped the tampering alarm that Kat warned him about. Vergil display any kind of intelligence that was above the ordinary, making him just weaker than Dante and not at all his equal.

As shallow as it was, they did have Vergil have plenty of conversations with Kat that were purposely meant to go over Dante's (and some player's) heads. There was also plenty of logical vs. emotional choices in play. For example,
Vergil kiling Lillith while the exchange was still in danger vs. Dante planning to give Mundus back his one weakness
Not to say Dante was wrong because honestly, I would have done the same, just another case of how they played with the opposite dynamic.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Also why does Mundus need an heir if he is immortal?

Why do the angels not care that humans are enslaved?

How does Vergil know Dante's dick size?

Are Sparda and Mundus actual brothers or just brothers in arm?

What makes Mundus so special that he's the demon king? What is so special about him that he can only be killed by a Nephilim?

Where the fuck is Sparda after all the events in DmC?
 
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That usually means there is a launcher of some sort that will require you to click a mouse button to start the game.

For example, Far Cry 3 is "partial" controller support just because it has to use the Ubisoft launcher where you have to use your mouse to boot it.

Full controller support means that you can launch the game entirely from a controller and never have to use a keyboard or mouse.

This.
 

Nino

*LOVES* Bob Marley
perfect, thanks for taking the time.

I really wonder what they mean by "partial controller support" though...
No problemo, on second hand I'd rather wait with screenshots until release, better safe than sorry

Yea me too, I'm usually wary of that since I play PC games on the couch but I haven't hit a wall. Maybe there's some text input somewhere deep down in the menus that isn't mapped to a controller button? Dunno.

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That usually means there is a launcher of some sort that will require you to click a mouse button to start the game.

For example, Far Cry 3 is "partial" controller support just because it has to use the Ubisoft launcher where you have to use your mouse to boot it.

Full controller support means that you can launch the game entirely from a controller and never have to use a keyboard or mouse.
There's no launcher though
 

Dahbomb

Member
I want to see more Nephilims/Angels in DmC2 if they were make one. Expand the lore please. Also I want to traverse environments like these:

dmc_conceptart_eQVFb.jpg
 
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That usually means there is a launcher of some sort that will require you to click a mouse button to start the game.

For example, Far Cry 3 is "partial" controller support just because it has to use the Ubisoft launcher where you have to use your mouse to boot it.

Full controller support means that you can launch the game entirely from a controller and never have to use a keyboard or mouse.

That's what I asked but there seems to be no launcher.

No problemo, on second hand I'd rather wait with screenshots until release, better safe than sorry

Yea me too, I'm usually wary of that since I play PC games on the couch but I haven't hit a wall. Maybe there's some text input somewhere deep down in the menus that isn't mapped to a controller button? Dunno.

No worries about the screenshots, I just wanted some eye-candy to carry me over.
 
Yeah, one thing I hope they do in Vergil's Downfall is grow him to be a bit more of a threat. Hopefully, his time spent wherever he is will force him to change into someone more formidable.
 

Anteater

Member
Also why does Mundus need an heir if he is immortal?

Why do the angels not care that humans are enslaved?

How does Vergil know Dante's dick size?

Animal/Demon instinct to want/protect his heir.

Aren't the angels strippers? He probably enslaved them too

Kat told him.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Animal/Demon instinct to want/protect his heir.

Aren't the angels strippers? He probably enslaved them too

Kat told him.
1) But why does he NEED an heir to begin with when he's supposedly immortal?

2) Angels aren't strippers those were demons disguided as humans dressed in angel clothing.

3) So Kat has seen Vergil's cock? One plot hole leads into another.
 
Finished the game today.... what do I think?

The best DMC game IMO.

Amazing level design, BEAUTIFUL art... very interesting story........ and I just LOVE the ending.

and oh.... the combat are the most fun I had for a long time.

I won't accept another DMC game but from NT, they nailed it so freaking hard <3

No offense, but I honestly don't believe you would of ever thought different.

please don't take this as me knocking your opinion, but it is very clear hat you a have a clear love for all NT's work.
 
Also why does Mundus need an heir if he is immortal?

Why do the angels not care that humans are enslaved?

How does Vergil know Dante's dick size?

Are Sparda and Mundus actual brothers or just brothers in arm?

What makes Mundus so special that he's the demon king? What is so special about him that he can only be killed by a Nephilim?

Where the fuck is Sparda after all the events in DmC?
I haven't played the game yet (PC version) but aren't Dante and Vergil twins or did that change in the reboot?
 
1) But why does he NEED an heir to begin with when he's supposedly immortal?

2) Angels aren't strippers those were demons disguided as humans dressed in angel clothing.

3) So Kat has seen Vergil's cock? One plot hole leads into another.

Well he's only immortal because of the Hellgate. I imagine if Vergil knows that Mundus has to.

Also is Vergil's downfall set after the game?
 

Dahbomb

Member
You know, what the heck do angels do in this version of the lore? NT has only shown half of the equation.
Absolutely diddly squat.


I haven't played the game yet (PC version) but aren't Dante and Vergil twins or did that change in the reboot?
They are definitely twins in the reboot.

Vergil probably had penis enlargement surgery done from all the wealth he had.
 

Anteater

Member
1) But why does he NEED an heir to begin with when he's supposedly immortal?

2) Angels aren't strippers those were demons disguided as humans dressed in angel clothing.

3) So Kat has seen Vergil's cock? One plot hole leads into another.

I don't think he cares about having someone to take his place, it's just that he wants to protect his child.

I didn't know that lol.

They've been together for a while, Vergil probably likes sleeping naked, a lot of opportunity for Kat to see his dick.
 

NMFried

Member
Should I expect a price drop/sale anytime soon for this game? I've been interested in it for a while now, but on a college student's budget I can't justify the $60.
 

Nino

*LOVES* Bob Marley
That's what I asked but there seems to be no launcher.
It's not the prettiest PC game ever (Sleeping Dogs and Far Cry 3 are technically more impressive, UE3 is starting to show its age) but it runs at insane framerates, sometimes hitting above 300fps in cut scenes on a GTX 590 but during action it's locked at 120 which it has no trouble achieving whatsoever. Overall it's just a really crisp silky smooth port of the console version.

cf55e196615911e2aa3022000a9e2931_7.jpg
 

Veelk

Banned
As shallow as it was, they did have Vergil have plenty of conversations with Kat that were purposely meant to go over Dante's (and some player's) heads. There was also plenty of logical vs. emotional choices in play. For example,
Vergil kiling Lillith while the exchange was still in danger vs. Dante planning to give Mundus back his one weakness
Not to say Dante was wrong because honestly, I would have done the same, just another case of how they played with the opposite dynamic.
That isn't a conflict between logic and emotion, just one of different values. Dante cared more about saving Kate than he did about killing mundas and Vergil felt the opposite. Dante isn't dumber for wanting to save kat and Vergil isn't smarter for wanting to piss off mundas.
 
It's not the prettiest PC game ever (Sleeping Dogs and Far Cry 3 are technically more impressive, UE3 is starting to show its age) but it runs at insane framerates, sometimes hitting above 300fps in cut scenes on a GTX 590 but during action it's locked at 120 which it has no trouble achieving whatsoever. Overall it's just a really crisp silky smooth port of the console version.

cf55e196615911e2aa3022000a9e2931_7.jpg

that feel of 600fps
 

Sorian

Banned
Also why does Mundus need an heir if he is immortal?

Why do the angels not care that humans are enslaved?

How does Vergil know Dante's dick size?

Are Sparda and Mundus actual brothers or just brothers in arm?

What makes Mundus so special that he's the demon king? What is so special about him that he can only be killed by a Nephilim?

Where the fuck is Sparda after all the events in DmC?

Normal male biological need to want to pass on genetics. Plus don't say they don't have the same needs humans do because obviously they give in to their sexual desires.

We know nothing about the angels. For all we know, they are completely hands-off with the mortal realm.

I think that was a joke lol Sibling tension and all that.

Probably just brothers in arms but I don't remember what the original lore for that was in DMC. At this point, we can just assume that the lores are similar there.

Strongest demon = demon king from what I've gathered. Normal warring hierarchy. The whole Nephilim thing is obviously just a plot device to give the player a sense of importance but from a lore point of view, maybe it is a special effect that the hell gate grants its master (and it is a trait that stays permanent despite the current status of the hell gate).

Sounds to me like the punishment given to Sparda was something permanent that can not be undone. He is locked in his own hell that has no entry or exit.

I'm also going to spoiler tag all of this just in case so BIG BLACK BOXES.
 

Mike M

Nick N
I'm always hearing about how the enemy DT mechanic in DMC3 was so obtuse that it took the combined efforts of the community a dog's age to figure out how it worked. Is there like... a summation of how it works somewhere and what was so difficult to figure out?
 

V_Arnold

Member
I'd take DmC platforming over any backtracking and/or puzzles in previous games. Tenfold.

Replaying levels are way more fun for me this way. The only game I can go back now and replay without feeling bad about it is Bayonetta. If anyone forces me to replay DMC4 castle once more, I will throw up.
 
I need tips on how to deal with the Drekavac/Dreamrunner type enemies. Those things do that move where they teleport into a sphere and then back out of it, and often enough I can demon dodge that attack and retaliate with the trinity smash. Problem is, soimetimes I can get the hits in and sometimes they parry that move, and I can't tell how to avoid the latter happening. Sometimes I even get an endless cycle of parrying, hitting back with the Arbiter, parrying, hitting back, parrying, with no moves connecting. I need to find a guaranteed means of getting my attacks to connect.

Go to say, I'm loving the game for the most part. The
Mundus' Spawn
boss was the absolute nadir. Hadn't really struggled with the game prior to that (I'm playing on Nephilim mode), but that thing tore me to pieces. I just couldn't get into a rhythm, it dragged on forever and it was, uhh... really gross! It's not just one John Carpenter movie that's been an influence it seems. The nightclub stuff before that though - what a sensory overload, I loved it. That's Ninja Theory's bread and butter right there.
 

Chamber

love on your sleeve
The platforming in Missions 5-10 and the Furnace of Souls was game crushing. I'll backtrack through that forest all day over those levels.

That type of stuff should never be the main focus of a mission.
 
I need tips on how to deal with the Drekavac/Dreamrunner type enemies. Those things do that move where they teleport into a sphere and then back out of it, and often enough I can demon dodge that attack and retaliate with the trinity smash. Problem is, soimetimes I can get the hits in and sometimes they parry that move, and I can't tell how to avoid the latter happening. Sometimes I even get an endless cycle of parrying, hitting back with the Arbiter, parrying, hitting back, parrying, with no moves connecting. I need to find a guaranteed means of getting my attacks to connect.

When they are coming out of the sphere you can actually grab them with the demon pull and I've found that gives you a few more hits. Also you can launch em up, they still parry after a few hits but you can mix it up a bit more.

Demon dodge destroys them too, actually demon dodge is just crazy against anything.
 
The platforming in Missions 5-10 and the Furnace of Souls was game crushing. I'll backtrack through that forest all day over those levels.

That type of stuff should never be the main focus of a mission.

The backtracking actually never really bothered me in DMC4 since you get to play it with a new character. I can totally see people hating the dice bullshit though.

also is that Mélanie Laurent in your avatar?
 

Anteater

Member
The backtracking in dmc4 really didn't last very long to be honest, yea it did have the same background while you fight stuff on a different character.

DmC was just a crapload of platforming inbetween small arenas.

edit: well forget I said it didn't last very long, I worded it wrong, I meant to say that the backtracking section was full of combat which is the same in other games, except it has the same background.
 

V_Arnold

Member
Against Drekavac:

1) When they open a portal, the moment you see the portal where he will come out, jump up in that direction and do a Helm Breaker (B in the air with Rebellion). It will knock them down, or even better: it will parry their hits as well. This works 95% of the time. It needs some reactions and a little bit of timing to not be late, but it can be consistently pulled off.

2) When they can be opened up, always do one or two Kablooey for added extra. If you explode it while they are attacking, you can do one more combo again - where you can place a Kablooey shot again ;)

3) The trick with parry dodging really is to simply attack as fast as possible once you dodged his attacks. I like to do y,y,y (rebellion) - hold y- >drive, overdrive, they usually (half the time) eat the missiles easily.

4) If you feel like you are getting caught in an endless cycle of parries, then start shooting it with E&I, dodge back to get a distance, and he will most likely call for a teleport once you stop shooting. Then you can knock them down (explained in 1).
 
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