The argument I hear about why these tropes exist is that they cater to male fantasy. But who really has or wants those fantasys? That's what this thread is for.
Doesn't bother me if its actually relevant to the story. What was annoying however is super Mario 3d land. Same crap princess being kidnaped. I know Mario is anything but story, but fuck that shit, it had no thought process other than peach is captured, yet a fuckingain
The only thing I dislike more than the helpless women in some games, is the games that try to turn women into men with boobs. That is to say women who are portrayed to be "just like the doodz"... It's unimaginative, lazy, and is just the developers way of trying to skirt controversy instead of making an indepth and enjoyable female character.
For a good (probably the best) example, see Alyx Vance from Half Life 2.
It's an archaic story/game mechanic.
There are some times when it's overdone like with Sully in Fire Emblem: Awakening, but I'm not sure I can even say "man with boobs" so much as she goes to the degree of just being... abnormal. I imagine NEITHER a normal man or normal woman would make as big of a deal of some of the things as she does unless explicitly challenged on it. But then most of the FE:A characters are overdone anime archetypes so that just means she's an extremely convenient example.I've never fully understood the logic behind the man with boobs thing. I'm guessing some people don't like it when females don't express stereotypical traits/features.
I remember a quote where someone was asking a writer why a female he wrote was so good.
His answer was something like "I wrote her as a person". That's why statements like that annoy me, since it seems people who say stuff like that consider the character as a stereotype first before a person. And when they see a character not exhibit these traits/features associated with the stereotype they accuse them of being "false" hence the man with boobs thing. At least that's the only way I can understand it that makes sense.
As for the original topic, that kind of thing isn't a bullet point for me.
There are some times when it's overdone like with Sully in Fire Emblem: Awakening, but I'm not sure I can even say "man with boobs" so much as she goes to the degree of just being... abnormal. I imagine NEITHER a normal man or normal woman would make as big of a deal of some of the things as she does unless explicitly challenged on it. But then most of the FE:A characters are overdone anime archetypes so that just means she's an extremely convenient example.
Arnold Schwarzenegger prefers you rescue the President. There needs to be more portrayal of stronger women in gaming as far as I'm concerned.
Nah, I didn't think you agreed with the "man with boobs" thing, I was just going on something else there that could be summarized as there likely really isn't an appropriate time to use "man with boobs": either the character's just a normal person, or the character is so exaggerated she's not really LIKE a normal man anyway, thus making the statement moot. I just pulled Sully as an example of the latter, but as noted most of the characters in FE:A are greatly exaggerated anyway, only some of the main cast come off as remotely normal.I'm not sure if I gave the wrong idea with my previous post or not but I don't agree with using the term "man with boobs" in any kind of context where I would actually want to be taken seriously.
I didn't find anything wrong with Sully at all personally. Once again she doesn't adhere to typical feminine stereotypes. She's forward and fairly blunt.
I don't think that males should have a monoply on personality variation. When people say things like that they are essentially encouraging shit like "only women cook!" and "go make me a sammich" and other stereotypical shit. It's saying that women can only act within their stereotype, and if they deviate then they are in fact no longer women but men followed by insults (usually).
Same logic can be applied to male characters as well. With that same logic one could say Kanji from Persona 4's actually a women with no boobs because he like to knit and make stuffed animals/toys, a stereo-typically feminine activity. Try finding someone to say that seriously and not get ripped to pieces on this board and you'll see how stupid the "man with boobs" statement really is.
This kind of thing is absolutely not a problem if you view humans/characters as people first and gender second. Based on how often I see the "man with boobs" statement it seems there's a noticeable lack of them posting.
Nah, I didn't think you agreed with the "man with boobs" thing, I was just going on something else there that could be summarized as there likely really isn't an appropriate time to use "man with boobs": either the character's just a normal person, or the character is so exaggerated she's not really LIKE a normal man anyway, thus making the statement moot. I just pulled Sully as an example of the latter, but as noted most of the characters in FE:A are greatly exaggerated anyway, only some of the main cast come off as remotely normal.
Granted, just how different they really should be is a loaded topic, but I'm inclined to think the differences in personalities tend to be more subtle when we escape cultural baggage.
Nah, I didn't think you agreed with the "man with boobs" thing, I was just going on something else there that could be summarized as there likely really isn't an appropriate time to use "man with boobs": either the character's just a normal person, or the character is so exaggerated she's not really LIKE a normal man anyway, thus making the statement moot. I just pulled Sully as an example of the latter, but as noted most of the characters in FE:A are greatly exaggerated anyway, only some of the main cast come off as remotely normal.
Granted, just how different they really should be is a loaded topic, but I'm inclined to think the differences in personalities tend to be more subtle when we escape cultural baggage.
No. I don't care. Nobody thinks about the plot when playing Mario, it could easily be an actual peach that was stolen from Mario and he's pissed off killing turtles about THAT.
Doesn't change the fact.It's been used in literature for hundreds of years.
I find characters who are helpless incredibly unappealing. In Ico's case, it was fine because it created an interesting new gameplay mechanic and you happened to play a little boy who for much of the game was barely capable of fighting. Under normal circumstances, though, I find anyone unable to at least attempt to take care of themselves really aggravating. I much prefer a female character who is a competent, capable warrior fighting at my side and helping me out when I need a hand over a princess who's been kidnapped.
Maybe she's just going with the flow and doesn't really care that much in general, just being bored and now has something to do.But ICO is arguably the best (worst) example of "helpless women". She literally can't do anything without the boy guiding/pulling her like a... well, not sure that word is still okay here.
She doesn't even attempt to run from the shadowy creatures. She just... stand there.
Maybe she's just going with the flow and doesn't really care that much in general, just being bored and now has something to do.
I always felt that she was mentally traumatized and had to be looked after.But ICO is arguably the best (worst) example of "helpless women". She literally can't do anything without the boy guiding/pulling her like a... well, not sure that word is still okay here.
She doesn't even attempt to run from the shadowy creatures. She just... stand there.