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Do you consider Steam Deck a console?
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kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
GuinGuin
Banned
Yeah and you could play Linux games on the PS3 and most old consoles could easily be hacked for other uses. Xbox Series X can run lots of other gaming software through emulation easily as well and it is basically sanctioned by Microsoft.
NoviDon
Member
It's a Portable PC with console/handheld controls. I guess hybrids are the future. It makes sense too, with being able to pack more and more power into a small form factor, and with a reasonable power budget, you can get the best of all worlds with portability, decent power, and docking to a monitor or Tv, with also the freedom to download any OS and programs you wish.
GuinGuin
Banned
Laptop of course not. Steam Boxes yes. They know most people will use it as intended regardless of what they will let you do with it. If they thought most people weren't going to use it with Steam they wouldn't bother making it.
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Did you watch the video I posted? Did you check out the steam deck site before posting?
Did you do any research before making this thread?
GuinGuin
Banned
They call it a PC because they know their fans like the idea. In practice they only want people to use it as a portable Steam Machine. Their margins are thin. It's the only way it makes sense for them to release this product.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
It's a console because you can't upgrade shit internally
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
A phone is a console. You can game and you can't upgrade internals.
A laptop is a console. You can game and you can't upgrade internals.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Laptop can upgrade internals.
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Lol, not really. You might be able to crack it open and replace ram or an hdd, but you are likely voiding warranty. Same as a console. Form factor is such a huge part of laptops these days a lot of core components are soldered in. You really have a laptop that you upgraded the PSU and CPU for? Didn't think so.
nightmare-slain
Member
it's not a PC.
it's a low powered handheld console aimed at PC gaming enthusiasts.
it's a low powered handheld console aimed at PC gaming enthusiasts.
do you know what PC stands for? i don't think so.
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Julius Ibidus
Member
you can install Windows on it to do what you want to (games). that's a PC.
nightmare-slain
Member
yes but i'm sure you'd agree that this devices primary market is video games, right?
DeadOblivion78
Member
Does it have exclusive games made specifically for that hardware? If no, then it's not a console.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
But you need the dock to use it like a PC. It's basically a console that switches to a PC.
Syphon Filter
Member
Handhelds aren't consoles.
octiny
Banned
It's a handheld gaming PC first & foremost. X86 & completely open.
Just like the Win GPD 3, Aya Neo etc w/ the only exception being it's using Linux out of the box vs Windows (for cost related reasons, just like Steam Box). You can literally tab out of big screen Steam mode & use the Linux desktop as a normal PC. Install, do whatever you want. Don't like Linux? Install Windows on it & use the big screen Steam mode on Windows. It's simply a PC in handheld form, nothing more nothing less.
Have you bothered to even watch any videos or interviews? They hope to encourage other manufactures to develop similar devices. Why? Because they are trying to create a new market segment which will translate to more steam sales, regardless of the OS installed on it. Which until now, has been dominated by handheld consoles & phones.
Comparing it to a PS3? Really? What an absolute dumb thread.
And did someone really just say a PC isn't a PC if you can't upgrade it? Holy shit, might as well start calling a huge percentage of the PC market now as "consoles".
Some of the shit I'm reading absolutely blows my mind
Just like the Win GPD 3, Aya Neo etc w/ the only exception being it's using Linux out of the box vs Windows (for cost related reasons, just like Steam Box). You can literally tab out of big screen Steam mode & use the Linux desktop as a normal PC. Install, do whatever you want. Don't like Linux? Install Windows on it & use the big screen Steam mode on Windows. It's simply a PC in handheld form, nothing more nothing less.
Have you bothered to even watch any videos or interviews? They hope to encourage other manufactures to develop similar devices. Why? Because they are trying to create a new market segment which will translate to more steam sales, regardless of the OS installed on it. Which until now, has been dominated by handheld consoles & phones.
Comparing it to a PS3? Really? What an absolute dumb thread.
And did someone really just say a PC isn't a PC if you can't upgrade it? Holy shit, might as well start calling a huge percentage of the PC market now as "consoles".
Some of the shit I'm reading absolutely blows my mind
nightmare-slain
Member
Julius Ibidus
Member
this thing is gonna get so heavily modified there's no telling what it will become.
nightmare-slain
Member
to bad it doesn't matter if it's open or closed.
GuinGuin
Banned
He has one foot long pockets?
nightmare-slain
Member
i'm not disagreeing with that. try reading my comment again.
i'ts a device aimed at people who want to play steam games. how people mod it doesn't matter. by that logic you could argue that Playstations, Xbox, Switch, Wii, PSP, Vita, etc are all PCs.
just because the stock OS UI is all about the Steam store and launcher doesn't make it less of a PC. You can dock it and use web browsers and all that jazz like any old Linux PC. Obviously it has its niche, but its an open PC system tailored to a specific audience. It's a handheld PC with gaming controls. Valve even calls it a PC. It's a PC.
Guilty_AI
Member
Personal Computer? If not, please enlighten me with your profound knowledge on the subject, oh m'grand Slayer of Nightmares
Julius Ibidus
Member
no. it's aimed at PC gamers who want to play current games or games going back decades, as well as play console games using emulation. it's not a narrow device in terms of application.
Topher
Gold Member
I disagree. I can install Windows or any other operating system I want. I can install Steam's competitor's software as well. Tell me a console that allows me to do all of that without having to hack it first.
GuinGuin
Banned
Most consoles have a web browser...
ResilientBanana
Member
It has a basic hardware spec that doesn’t change, it’s a console.
GuinGuin
Banned
The original PS3 can install Linux. Series X can install almost anything if you pay $19 to turn it into an official "dev kit"
How to turn your Xbox Series X/S into an emulation powerhouse
Console “Developer Mode” offers a way in for RetroArch’s dozens of emulation cores.
arstechnica.com
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Julius Ibidus
Member
a console that can mount Windows and run software going back decades. so like a Windows Console. Winsole? Condows?
cool ranch.
you can do more than use a web browser, that's just an example I pulled up. It has full windowed app support like desktop linux. Its not nearly the same as the Xbox devkit letting you install UWP apps
Topher
Gold Member
The original PS3 can install Linux. Series X can install almost anything is you play $19 to turn it into an official "dev kit"
How to turn your Xbox Series X/S into an emulation powerhouse
Console “Developer Mode” offers a way in for RetroArch’s dozens of emulation cores.
Every PS3 could install Linux until Sony changed its mind and removed that option. That's the difference between an open system and a closed system. Either way, a dev kit console is still a console.
PS3 launched with the ability to run Linux and people actually used them as servers.
Sony tried to argue that this made the PS3 a computer. Courts ruled that it was still a console.
Guilty_AI
Member
You know, regardless of whether you call it a PC or a console or whatever, what remains as a fact is that this device is made to work exactly like a PC would and thats what makes it attractive. Even the XSX example you gave is still limited in the sense you can't wipe the system clean and install whatever OS you want as you could with a normal PC, and with the PS3 example, sony would actively got in the way to limit it.The original PS3 can install Linux. Series X can install almost anything if you pay $19 to turn it into an official "dev kit"
How to turn your Xbox Series X/S into an emulation powerhouse
Console “Developer Mode” offers a way in for RetroArch’s dozens of emulation cores.
So, what exactly is your beef here?
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
*Starts sweating in Xbox Series*
Have you heard of the windows surface pro? How about Falcon laptops?
GuinGuin
Banned
I have no beef I simply see this as a console since the primary and as far as I can tell only motivation for Valve to make and market this device is to sell more Steam games.
Julius Ibidus
Member
with Windows on this, you can do anything with it that you can do with a traditional PC. good times!
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