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[Guilty_AI]

I have no beef I simply see this as a console since the primary and as far as I can tell only motivation for Valve to make and market this device is to sell more Steam games.

I mean, yeah, thats probably part of their motivation, though i'd say a bigger one is to make open OS's more popular since Microsoft grip on the market is dangerous for companies that make third party softwares like them - the whole reason why they've invested so much on linux gaming in the first place.
But what does that have to do with it the discussion on whether this is a PC or a console?

 

[GuinGuin]

I mean, yeah, thats probably part of their motivation, though i'd say a bigger one is to make open OS's more popular since Microsoft grip on the market is dangerous for companies that make third party softwares like them - the whole reason why they've invested so much on linux gaming in the first place.
But what does that have to do with it the discussion on whether this is a PC or a console?

Because I think it is their intent which determines the answer.

 

[Craig of War]

It 100% a PC you can hook it up to a monitor and basically used it full time as a MINI PC if you want.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[Guilty_AI]

Because I think it is their intent which determines the answer.

But regardless of what their intent is, this still works like a PC would, and as far as the consumer is concerned thats all that matters.

 

[Julius Ibidus]

with this, i can hop into Blender, create a dumb mesh, export it, then create a real model of the mesh using my 3D printer. can a console do that?

 

[Kagero]

I would lean more towards a console, but the truth is, is it's a hybrid. I feel it has to potential to disrupt the big three. I can already see how this will take my time away from the consoles that I have. I have Steam with a bunch of games, but I don't ever play on my PC even though I have a gaming PC. Just prefer the ecosystem of consoles.

 

[MiguelItUp]

They themselves called it a "handheld PC, it's a PC with a controller attached to it". It comes with Steam OS installed, but if a person wants to uninstall it and install Windows, they can. This was in the IGN hands-on video.

 

[j0hnnix]

He has one foot long pockets?

 

[GuinGuin]

They themselves called it a "handheld PC, it's a PC with a controller attached to it". It comes with Steam OS installed, but if a person wants to uninstall it and install Windows, they can. This was in the IGN hands-on video.

They can say one thing and think another. You don't see Valve releasing any Windows based PCs. Why? Because a console environment will lead to far more sales even if a small fraction ignore Steam OS entirely.

 

[elliot5]

They can say one thing and think another. You don't see Valve releasing any Windows based PCs. Why? Because a console environment will lead to far more sales even if a small fraction ignore Steam OS entirely.

because windows costs money to put on each device and Valve likes supporting open platforms like Linux lol it's got nothing with "providing a console environment" other than providing the steam storefront and a controller friendly UI (see Big Picture mode too). The Steam store basically is the console environment since that's where you're getting your games from and where Valve gets their 30%.

 

[Denton]

It's a console. It's a walled garden dedicated gaming device .

Just because the wall can apparently be easily scaled doesn't mean it's not a console.

This is literally completely false.

 

[Julius Ibidus]

They can say one thing and think another. You don't see Valve releasing any Windows based PCs. Why? Because a console environment will lead to far more sales even if a small fraction ignore Steam OS entirely.

it wouldn't have sold like it did if Valve removed the option to install Windows. they're not that stupid, and neither are gamers.

 

[FStubbs]

This is literally completely false.

Literally? Completely? False?

Prove it.

 

[Denton]

Literally? Completely? False?

Prove it.

It is already proven by never being a walled garden in the first place. It's a PC with preinstalled Steam app, that's it.

 

[GuinGuin]

it wouldn't have sold like it did if Valve removed the option to install Windows. they're not that stupid, and neither are gamers.

How does it benefit them to sell more of them to people who are just going to install windows? It is being sold basically at cost.

 

[Topher]

Because I think it is their intent which determines the answer.

They can say one thing and think another.

https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck

Do I need a Steam account to use Steam Deck?
The default Steam Deck experience requires a Steam account (it's free!). Games are purchased and downloaded using the Steam Store. That said, Steam Deck is a PC so you can install third party software and operating systems.

They made their intention clear.

 

[Birdo]

It's practically an Intel Nuc with a screen and buttons.

 

[ViolentP]

I barely consider the Switch a console much less this.

 

[Aenima]

Its a portable PC. You can install windown on it, hook it to a monitor with keyboard and mouse and will do everething a pc does.

 

[Julius Ibidus]

How does it benefit them to sell more of them to people who are just going to install windows? It is being sold basically at cost.

i would suspect it's all about what their core business is, pushing software, but don't ask me what they see that led them to introduce this to help accomplish it. this is, however, undoubtedly, a PC. and a skateboard. and a larping shield. and a dessert tray.

 

[Danjin44]

Does it matter? It’s gaming system that play games.

Being console or handheld is irrelevant.

 

[Guilty_AI]

How does it benefit them to sell more of them to people who are just going to install windows? It is being sold basically at cost.

Better question, why people that play on PC need to install windows? That becoming less and less of a necessity for gaming. A lot of users won't be installing windows simply because there's no need to.

Also, Gabe Newell said pricing was "painful", we don't actually know what he meant by it.
By the context it seems they think the price was higher than what they'd conside ideal, rather than them having to sell it at a loss.

 

[ResilientBanana]

*Starts sweating in Xbox Series*


Have you heard of the windows surface pro? How about Falcon laptops?

You’re getting pretty technical, this is literally geared towards gaming. The Surface Pro and Falcon Laptops come with a plethora of different CPU/GPU configurations and form factors. This does not.

I’m kind of blown away that the console crowd is panicking about whether or not this is a console to begin with.

 

[Skifi28]

If it runs windows and you are free to install what software you want, it's a PC in my eyes. Form factor is irrelevant.

 

[Julius Ibidus]

Better question, why people that play on PC need to install windows? That becoming less and less of a necessity for gaming. A lot of users won't be installing windows simply because there's no need to.

emulation, meh.

Also, Gabe Newell said pricing was "painful", we don't actually know what he meant by it.

what he meant by 'painful' was that, during the interview, there were only 10 serving wenches feeding him grapes, instead of 12. i hate it when that happens, too.

 

[yurinka]

It's a PC based (like Xbox and PlayStation) hybrid console (like Switch).

Xbox and PlayStation OS and hardware parts are basically a from PC, the main difference is that they aren't open to install another OS there (on Xbox you can do it paying an extra).

 

[Thirty7ven]

It’s an handheld PC.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

A phone is a console. You can game and you can't upgrade internals.

A laptop is a console. You can game and you can't upgrade internals.

This thread is so dumb. So laptops aren't PC's anymore?

 

[FStubbs]

It is already proven by never being a walled garden in the first place. It's a PC with preinstalled Steam app, that's it.

It's a console running Steam OS.

Now we're arguing semantics.

 

[Codes 208]

Valve straight-up said it’s “a handheld pc”

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

They literally said themselves "it makes more sense to think of it as a PC with controllers attached to it" Its in their video and on their website.

This is the Switch all over again. "iS It a CoNSolE oR a TaBlEt??"

 

[brian0057]

If you want a laptop that can't do anything other than gaming, the Steam Deck is the device for you.

 

[Julius Ibidus]

It's a console running Steam OS.

Now we're arguing semantics.

you can install Windows on it and do everything with it that a PC can do. so yeah, that makes it a console.

 

[Codes 208]

If you want a laptop that can't do anything other than gaming, the Steam Deck is the device for you.

You can do anything with a steam deck a laptop can do. It runs Linux but valve has said you can install windows as well

 

[Guilty_AI]

It's a console running Steam OS.

Steam OS is open, you could in theory even install and use EGS and Battle net on it, or whatever as long as it works on linux natively or through win-emulators.

How is that different from a linux PC?

 

[PhaseJump]

It's a PC.

You can plug in a mouse and keyboard, and use the KDE Plasma desktop on it without even touching Windows.

 

[PhaseJump]

This thread is so dumb. So laptops aren't PC's anymore?

OP made thread before, about Valve being doomed because they have "done nothing" with their money over the years. They need exclusives to compete and are stagnant or something like that. He's got a console warrior mindset, and will ignore response posts from others for days, while repeating his own stupidity and nonsense. He hates Valve.

 

[FStubbs]

Steam OS is open, you could in theory even install and use EGS and Battle net on it, or whatever as long as it works on linux natively or through win-emulators.

How is that different from a linux PC?

You must have missed the "dedicated gaming device" part of my definition.

 

[spons]

No I don't. When thinking of a console, I think of walled-garden gaming devices. The Steam Deck is not.

 

[junguler]

it's a pc but it can act as a console if all you want out of it is gaming.

 

[Guilty_AI]

You must have missed the "dedicated gaming device" part of my definition.

Its neither a walled garden, by any definition, nor its any more of a "dedicated gaming device" than a normal Gaming PC is.
So you don't have a point

 

[spons]

Fuck it, I'll dock the thing and use it as my main computer. Console my ass.

 

[rofif]

no. It's just a week pc that is mobile

 

[Julius Ibidus]

Fuck it, I'll dock the thing and use it as my main computer. Console my ass.

i'll be doing my Federal and State taxes with it.

 

[lame gag1990]

It's playing PC games so no. It's a portable PC.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

No, it's a PC that plays Steam games like any PC. You can install Steam OS on your PC as well if you like.

Not only that, but there are already other projects in the works in this category and I think some are available depending on the market.

These Handheld Gaming PCs Will Make Your Switch Jealous | Digital Trends

If you thought the Nintendo Switch was too underpowered, wait until you see these Intel- and AMD-powered handheld gaming PCs powered by Windows.

www.digitaltrends.com

 

[Kokoloko85]

Its a PC/Handheld hybrid. Defo not a Console

Im interested in it to play games like Total War when the price drops down

 

[Guilty_AI]

i'll be doing my Federal and State taxes with it.

you do taxes?

 

[PsyEd]

IMHO it's a PC....and I'm sure it'll allow install whatever OS you like...just like a PC hardware. I was going to buy a switch after waiting all this time....valve just nuked that idea in my head with steam deck. GG