PhaseJump
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Valve: “it’s a PC”
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Typical for the OP. Look at his history.
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Do you consider Steam Deck a console?
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Typical for the OP. Look at his history.
packy34
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Honestly.Valve: “it’s a PC”
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Guilty_AI
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A keyboard isn't what makes a PC a PC. Laptops don't come with a mouse, does that make them not-PCs just because of it?
Also, as it has already been said, this isn't anymore of a "dedicated gaming hardware" as gamer PC is. Just like a you can use a gaming PC to do a multitude of other tasks, you can do the exact same things here.
I could literally use it to do the exact same things i do in my linux laptop like reading PDFs, programming, browsing the net, attend to online meetings, and all with the exact same interface and working exactly the same as it does there. Whats so hard to understand?
GuinGuin
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Do you believe everything companies tell you at face value? It's clearly dedicated gaming hardware. If you wanted a 1.5tflop PC you could buy one for cheaper and not have to wait 6 months for it.Valve: “it’s a PC”
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GuinGuin
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You "could" do those things but not nearly as well or comfortably as you could with a laptop or even a lighter and thinner iPad. The design of the hardware makes no sense outside of Steam OS.
PhaseJump
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This guy hates Valve, and invents arguments to whine about everything they're "not" doing with their time and money, because they aren't behaving like a console dev.
Now he's trying to argue that their open mini PC is a game console, because it's too much effort to plug in peripherals and have it running on a screen. Like, seriously. Fuck off with this stupidity. I suggest you put on a dunce cap and go play "console" games on an Intel compute stick.
Now he's trying to argue that their open mini PC is a game console, because it's too much effort to plug in peripherals and have it running on a screen. Like, seriously. Fuck off with this stupidity. I suggest you put on a dunce cap and go play "console" games on an Intel compute stick.
Guilty_AI
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Steam OS is literally linux. It works and can be used the same as any other linux distribution would. They even look similar:
And if we're talking about comfort, this looks way more comfortable than a laptop for many tasks apart from gaming.
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Second post nails it.
Kilau
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You have a wacky agenda that I don't think even you clearly understand. Quit arguing for the sake of arguing, it's a PC, get over it. You look like a fool with the number of times you have moved goal posts to fit this console narrative. Blocked, thread ignored, idiot.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
It has a controller built-in so it's a console. Bring this to school and use it to take notes. It won't even stand up right.
PhaseJump
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It is a tablet that has a full Linux desktop. A touch screen for an on screen keyboard. Physical track pads and buttons for the mouse features.
Julius Ibidus
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PhoenixTank
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PC 2.0?
PCPortable?
PCPortable?
Julius Ibidus
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it'll run this just fine:
i'm turning mine into an Elder Scrolls portable, heavily modded versions of all of them. good times!
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Magnific0giganticus
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It works as a PC, it's OPEN like a PC. It's a PC. Can't believe so many people got this wrong in the poll...
GuinGuin
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Steam OS is literally linux. It works and can be used the same as any other linux distribution would. They even look similar:
And if we're talking about comfort, this looks way more comfortable than a laptop for many tasks apart from gaming.
Not for anything that would require you to type.
Guilty_AI
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So? A pc is still a pc even if you use a virtual keyboard.
Portugeezer
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It's a tablet PC with a controller built in.
In the end it doesn't matter because you won't be getting Steam Deck exclusive games.
In the end it doesn't matter because you won't be getting Steam Deck exclusive games.
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Allnamestakenlol
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Everything everyone has already said, plus it plays PC games. It's a PC, imo.
GuinGuin
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The layout would make using a virtual keyboard very awkward. You would be better off using a tablet. This device is geared towards gaming and it will be excellent for that but the ergonomics are not there for web browsing or working.
Guilty_AI
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Not like the virtual keyboard of a tablet is any less awkward.
Besides, if i want a tablet-like device and a gaming device, getting this seem like a great all-in-one option. You can also set up a work-station with it like you can with a tablet to use it as a normal pc.
All in all, i don't really know what you're trying to argue here anymore. Like it or not this is a PC regardless of any particularities, maybe a hybrid at most.
Call it a console however many times you like, doesn't change the fact this works and is used like a PC.
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GuinGuin
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I think it's very much debatable as more than 1 in 4 gaffers think it's a console as well. It's purpose built for one thing: gaming. I have mine pre-ordered.
Julius Ibidus
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consoles do not have the option of installing Windows as the operating system right out of the box.
Bernd Lauert
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This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a PC.
it's both.
It's a console with no games.
And it's a pc with lots of games.
I mean how many games are made for STeam OS on the handheld form factor? I'd say it's pretty close to 0. so it's not really a console. IT's gotta be plug and play to be a console with games made directly for it in my world at least.
So it's really a pc...that is trying to be a console. unless you want it to be a pc. Then that's ok too. But that sort of disqualifies it from becoming a console because developers are going to take the easy route. And not "port" their games to STeamOS console when they can do nothing. ...But we'll see.
It's a console with no games.
And it's a pc with lots of games.
I mean how many games are made for STeam OS on the handheld form factor? I'd say it's pretty close to 0. so it's not really a console. IT's gotta be plug and play to be a console with games made directly for it in my world at least.
So it's really a pc...that is trying to be a console. unless you want it to be a pc. Then that's ok too. But that sort of disqualifies it from becoming a console because developers are going to take the easy route. And not "port" their games to STeamOS console when they can do nothing. ...But we'll see.
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TonyK
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For me is a portable PC because you could face the same problems you have now to play on PC. Enter in any Steam game forum and you will find myriads of threads asking for tech help to run the game properly. A console implies that you put the game and play, without configuration problems or incompatibilities.
The only possibility here is if future games bring an option with a predefined configuration for the Deck that works perfectly and flawless. That would be amazing and a game changer in PC. But as you can alter the OS of the Deck, I assume it will never happen, because if three months after release every Deck will be different regarding installed shit, that closed configuration would be pointless.
The only possibility here is if future games bring an option with a predefined configuration for the Deck that works perfectly and flawless. That would be amazing and a game changer in PC. But as you can alter the OS of the Deck, I assume it will never happen, because if three months after release every Deck will be different regarding installed shit, that closed configuration would be pointless.
Guilty_AI
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oh, i'm starting to see the full picture here. Its ok bro, theres no shame in playing on a PC or getting valve products.
Now say with me, "i bought a gaming PC made by valve to play PC games"
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GuinGuin
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Valve have stated they are going to work with devs to get games optimized for Steam Deck.
I bought a console made by Valve that plays Steam games. Not sure what point you're trying to make but I've had some sort of PC since 1987.
GuinGuin
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The software it runs is Steam OS which was created exclusively for gaming and in conjunction with the Steam store.
PhoenixTank
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To be honest, I imagine the virtual keyboard will have an option to work with the touchpads like typing with the steam controller does.
Takes a little getting used to but works surprising well.
Which is basically an app and some services, running on top of mostly standard Arch Linux. Probably some custom repos under Valve control for more bleeding edge packages versus Arch official.
Before it was on Debian. They aren't running custom all the way down to metal like the average console.
Hell they even list KDE as the desktop, IIRC.
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Julius Ibidus
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oy vey. it runs SteamOS. and Windows. and any flavor of Linux. and Unix. and MS-DOS. and OS/2, it can even run this:
what console can do that unmodified, right out of the box?
Captain Toad
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My choices are console or PC? Because, I choose "handheld".
01011001
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no... it lacks almost everything that makes a console different.
specialized hardware that developers specifically target using a specialised dev kit and APIs
a closed ecosystem with a low profile OS
first party developers making exclusives
guaranteed game support for 5-10 years
the Steam Deck lacks all of these, for better or for worse.
having an open system is great, but comes with downsides. being a mini PC is great and comes with downsides.
the biggest downside will be that there's no guarantee that games that release in 5 years will actually run at any acceptable level on it. it is not even half as powerful as the Series S, both in CPU and GPU capabilities, and the Series S will soon be the lowest end system most AAA developers will target, meaning the Steam Deck might be left in the dust.
which is also why everyone who thinks about buying one should do so with the prospect of playing already released titles and lower end titles in the future.
don't buy this thinking it will still be a great portable PC 5 years down the line, because in 5 years you will play new AAA games at 480p with low settings on this thing, and if you don't zave any of the NVMe models you might even get stutters as more and more games will be developed with SSDs in mind.
specialized hardware that developers specifically target using a specialised dev kit and APIs
a closed ecosystem with a low profile OS
first party developers making exclusives
guaranteed game support for 5-10 years
the Steam Deck lacks all of these, for better or for worse.
having an open system is great, but comes with downsides. being a mini PC is great and comes with downsides.
the biggest downside will be that there's no guarantee that games that release in 5 years will actually run at any acceptable level on it. it is not even half as powerful as the Series S, both in CPU and GPU capabilities, and the Series S will soon be the lowest end system most AAA developers will target, meaning the Steam Deck might be left in the dust.
which is also why everyone who thinks about buying one should do so with the prospect of playing already released titles and lower end titles in the future.
don't buy this thinking it will still be a great portable PC 5 years down the line, because in 5 years you will play new AAA games at 480p with low settings on this thing, and if you don't zave any of the NVMe models you might even get stutters as more and more games will be developed with SSDs in mind.
Guilty_AI
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oh but thats the thing, it doesn't play only steam games, or only games for that matter.
You could, lets see, go ahead and download Daggerfall Unity right now, copy it for your steam deck when it arrives and play it.
Or maybe buy Grim Dawn on GOG, download the installer on your steam deck, then install and play it.
Or, idk, download some video editing software and work with it on the platform, or make HTML programs or whatever.
Sure you can ignore all of these and just play games through steam. But ignoring what you can do with it is entirely your choice.
Peeeh, wrong. Its just a normal linux distribution. It wasn't created exclusively for gaming, its just a variant of Arch linux that comes with Steam pre-installed and pre-configured.
In fact, if you wipe the system clean, install normal Arch linux and install steam, you'd see no difference in functionality.
Julius Ibidus
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yep, it's more like 25 years of guaranteed support.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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Pull n Pray
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Yes, the Steam Deck is a console. It's a hybrid home/hand-held console. A console is just a computer with standardized hardware and an OS that is specialized for playing games.
GuinGuin
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And yet that's not what it ships with and that's not the intended use. Also valve is working with devs to optimize games for steam OS specifically.
Julius Ibidus
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if they didn't intend for the OS to be changed they wouldn't give the user that choice. but they're ok with it, and that option is one they intended to give the user for use with their device.
Guilty_AI
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Thats exactly what it ships with, and also its intended use as valve themselves called it a PC.
And valve is working with devs to optimize it to steam deck, not steam OS. Maybe optimize for Linux as far as software goes.
deriks
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It's a PC, but chances are that will be the next big deal
Smaller PCs are a thing since the first iPhone happened, and others like Raspberry and whatever are becoming more and more powerful. In a not so distant future I can see iOS becoming Mac OS and Microsoft getting their shit together with a phone-Windows-dock-thing, and everything will just be services
Smaller PCs are a thing since the first iPhone happened, and others like Raspberry and whatever are becoming more and more powerful. In a not so distant future I can see iOS becoming Mac OS and Microsoft getting their shit together with a phone-Windows-dock-thing, and everything will just be services
Ass of Can Whooping
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It's a console
You can go ahead and change it into a general purpose device, but it's still out of the box a gaming console
You can go ahead and change it into a general purpose device, but it's still out of the box a gaming console
01011001
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if you like playing at 20fps and 360p, sure
CuteFaceJay
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Its a handheld just like the Nintendo Switch. Console would imply the thing doesn't have its own display built into the unit.
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