JailDesigner
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Do you still care about Halo?
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bobs...onGaf
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Halo reach absolutely ruined halo for me.
Halo 4 cemented a lot of the bad decisions made in reach and cemented halo down a path I couldn't enjoy
MCC was a broken mess but still enjoyable under the right circumstances
So really other than having some love for the MCC I haven't cared about halo for years. I used to be massively into the series and would be hyped beyond belief for a new halo game but for me right now halo 5 May aswell not even exist.
Halo 5 looks like a potential return to form and I'm sure I'll enjoy halo wars 2 but the direction 343 has gone with the story means that the gameplay really has to be great - and 343 haven't impressed on that front either
Halo 4 cemented a lot of the bad decisions made in reach and cemented halo down a path I couldn't enjoy
MCC was a broken mess but still enjoyable under the right circumstances
So really other than having some love for the MCC I haven't cared about halo for years. I used to be massively into the series and would be hyped beyond belief for a new halo game but for me right now halo 5 May aswell not even exist.
Halo 5 looks like a potential return to form and I'm sure I'll enjoy halo wars 2 but the direction 343 has gone with the story means that the gameplay really has to be great - and 343 haven't impressed on that front either
Brerlappin
Member
Halo isnt Halo since Bungie left. I dont care how people try and justify it, but you cant just take the creators of a game away, hand development to someone else and hope itll be as good as the originals. I just cant. It might be an overdone analogy, but its probably the most accurate one, and that is 343i are just a Bungie cover band. Yeah it sounds like Halo and yeah it looks like Halo, but you wouldnt ever go see a Nirvana cover band and be like "yeah i saw Nirvana, they were pretty cool". No. You didnt see Nirvana. You saw someone elses approximation of what Nirvana sounded like. Its an imitation. And with Halo 4 343 proved they just dont get what made Halo fucking Halo.
The ruined the multiplayer and took a dump on the single player. Theyre the worst kind of cover band, a shit one.
Halo ended with Reach, just like there are no Matrix sequels and Last Crusade was the last Indiana Jones movie.
The ruined the multiplayer and took a dump on the single player. Theyre the worst kind of cover band, a shit one.
Halo ended with Reach, just like there are no Matrix sequels and Last Crusade was the last Indiana Jones movie.
Poimandres
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Any investment I had in the universe/story disappeared in Halo 2. I liked the more alien feel the Covenant had in the first game, and although it clearly wore its influences on its sleeve the universe seemed interesting enough and the game had a more grounded tone.
After that, it was all cheese, soap opera alien antics and an overblown sense of self importance. I just couldn't get invested.
That said, Halo multiplayer is some of my favorite of all time so there's the hook for me! I'd definitely pick up Halo 5 if I had an Xbox One, but my need for Halo has waned since the fever pitch excitement I felt leading up to Halo 2.
After that, it was all cheese, soap opera alien antics and an overblown sense of self importance. I just couldn't get invested.
That said, Halo multiplayer is some of my favorite of all time so there's the hook for me! I'd definitely pick up Halo 5 if I had an Xbox One, but my need for Halo has waned since the fever pitch excitement I felt leading up to Halo 2.
I dunno know how the OP can say that the story is best part of the original Halo games. Bungie did an absolutely terrible job of telling a story in the early games. From what I have been told the novels fill in the blanks. I know I'm probably missing greater detail but I feel that the terminal videos in the MCC do a solid job of filling in the gaps in the story and help flesh out the main chracters. Otherwise the the story is unintelligible in the first two games.
I lost interest in the series after Halo 3 (see also COD4) but have recently tasked myself with playing through MCC in preparation for Halo 5. I'm interested one again. I only hope that 343 can weave a good story.
I lost interest in the series after Halo 3 (see also COD4) but have recently tasked myself with playing through MCC in preparation for Halo 5. I'm interested one again. I only hope that 343 can weave a good story.
Probably performance issues? Coop ever since Halo 3 has had major framerate issues.
To be a fly on the wall at 343i.
maverick40
Junior Member
Very true man, very true
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
What defines Bungie? The Logo? The people working there? Of the hundreds (thousands?) of people who worked on Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, how many are indispensable and must work on every title before it's not a real Halo anymore?
There are so many different opinions on which Halo is the best - some still say CE can't be beaten, some people say Halo 4, some say anything in between - it blows my mind that some people think Halo 3 is the best, but one of my friends says exactly that.
Halo 4 is an excellent game, IMO, it's definitely not the worst (least good) of the Halo games and I don't think it's outside the realms of possibility that Bungie could have released a game very similar to Halo 4 had they stuck with the franchise.
Halo 5's beta felt like Halo. Sounded like Halo, looked like Halo. Played like Halo. I'm not sure what more you can ask for. I think it is Halo, in 2015.
EchoChamber
Member
Wow this thread seems to attract halo haters like a magnet.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
My Guesses: Not used by enough people, would require significant work to implement, would significantly reduce fidelity.
That other games (COD and Battlefield, in your examples) don't have it cements that it's the trend.
Your thing about Gold? Nonsense.
The musician metaphor falls flat for me... The members of Nirvana are set in stone... But game development studios are, in a lot of ways, revolving doors... The Teams that made Halo1,2,3 and Reach were vastly different anyway... Sure they were made by the the same studio, but the 'band members' changed dramatically each time...
Not only do studious change internally, but IPs change hands and still find success... For example Treyarch is pretty much who people expect to get the best COD games from, but Infinity Ward is the Developer who started the craze...
And yet a LOT of them, like me, absolutely loved that series.
I started with Halo 3 myself. Incredible multiplayer that received a boost after ODST. From Reach things didn't look so good, but with Halo 4 it was just a wash out. I even read the Forerunner saga (only 2 books were out at the time) and barely got the story from the singleplayer in Halo 4, it was so terrible.
And then MCC hit with the clusterfuck of multiplayer and I just dropped this series completely.
The only time I will play Halo 5 is when I borrow it from a friend for a week to checkout the singleplayer. Most assuredly the multiplayer will be broken at launch, given 343i's history.
But no matter, multiplayer for me this holiday season will be with Destiny and SW:Battlefront. DICE and Bungie got me covered where 343i has failed.
RedSparrows
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Compare Halo CE to Reach. Same dev, not same dev.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Hahaha ohh please.
So if most of the bungie team stayed in 343i wouldnt they be more bungie than bungie?
Also, if your whole cant take a game from developer and hope its good thing stood,
people would still be waiting for Infinity Wards next call of duty....but its pretty uninamious that TreyArch are now kings of COD.
If this is the most accurate analogy you could come up with, you really are having trouble getting your argument together.
DeadManWalking
Member
After bungie left everything went down hill. I was huge into bungie 360 games. Don't really have any urge to play h5.
Guardian Monkey
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Well the simple truth is that most IPs do not maintain consistentcy after a long time. The original group of developers are normally long past gone and just run out of steam. I mean halo was a great console platform game when it came out and broke a lot of new ground. But the series doesn't stand out like it did. It more or less blends in with other console fps games as it mainly sticks to its older roots. That's not a bad thing in some people's eyes but it reduces the amount of innovation you will see.
Given their history of what exactly?
Their only in-house produced game (Halo 4) had very few issues. The multiplayer worked fine.
The MCC is a game produced by 4 or 5 different developers, consisting of 5 games each running different networking code and engines and was certainly rushed to release.
It's true that it never should have released in that state, however it's a very different situation to H5 and has very little indication of 343's technical ability to produce a working game.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Haha
How many folk at 343i are ex Bungie vets?
Did it go downhill after Reach or was it literally when Bungie left the MS stable?
As a Halo fan, why was I turned off of Destiny at the beta and never picked that game up, at all?
So many questions, thank goodness for threads like these that can help us answer them
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I lost my excitement for the series when Bungie left and when I played H4 which was probably the most mediocre AAA fps release last generation. I thought MCC was going to rekindle my love but it was an absolute mess and when it did work just reminded me how far 343 is from being anything like Bungie. Despite all that I am still getting 5 because I'm a sucker for the chief. This time though I am going in with low expectations.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
All evidence suggests that 343i's matchmaking will be just fine.
Halo 4 Multiplayer? Good.
Halo 5 Beta? Good.
hooijdonk17
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The last Halo game I was 'hyped' about was ODST. The last Halo game I felt was relevant, and I bought was Reach. After that, every Halo game released has lost me more and more.
OP's asking if people still care or like Halo: bound to be a mix of opinions with that kind of thread including those who can't resit the chance to pile on.
Not after Bungie & 343 started adding all those shitty forge maps to the multiplayer playlists, they are terribly designed, buggy as hell, horribly drop the framerates and the aesthetics are not pleasing to look at.
Also ODST and Reach were garbage.
EDIT: One thing that pissed me off about 4 was that all the lore was outside of the game, so the story carried no weight. Not that it was a good story to begin with.
Also ODST and Reach were garbage.
EDIT: One thing that pissed me off about 4 was that all the lore was outside of the game, so the story carried no weight. Not that it was a good story to begin with.
Bits N Pieces
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I still care a bit about Halo but it's not the shooter it used to be, he was the leader of console shooters at a time, he gave the code for them but it's finish now, COD and destiny are the new king.
Halo 5 will be ok, I enjoy the beta and i'm sure it will still be successful at the end but I'm sure it will lose numbers of the older fan too.
Halo 5 will be ok, I enjoy the beta and i'm sure it will still be successful at the end but I'm sure it will lose numbers of the older fan too.
SlaughterX
Banned
Why did you skip Reach? But the MCC and catch up, bruh.
Anyway I'm not frothing over it but I'm sure it will be and I'll buy it, probably won't get excited until the reviews hit.
I am way more excited for TKK and that's just an expansion!
Don't care about CoD.
After playing halo 2 online constantly, I deeply anticipated halo 3 and was not disappointed, absolutely adored the multiplayer. These were our go to games for a long time, having clocked up many thousands of multiplayer games between the two of them. The same for reach, yes it had its small faults but still loved the game.
Halo 4 had to be a pre-order and when it arrived it took all of a handful of games for the seeds of discontent to set in. Why were power weapons drops now? what had happened to the gameplay that I knew and love. We were gutted but knew that it was 343's first attempt at a halo games and so the game was parked hoping that the next halo would rectify it.
Then came MCC, again a pre-order and again we were burnt with all the problems that this game had. Its been a love\hate relationship ever since however we are still playing H2A daily and still love the game, its finally in the state that it should have been in on release day. I have two copies of gears ultimate but have hardly played online with my son yet so that's how good the draw from H2A is.
Now with halo 5, having been burnt with day one on halo 4 and day one on MCC, we are not buying H5 out of protest. I'll wait to see what the community says and will pick it up a month or two after release. Its definitely not money related but purely a refusal to pay for substandard products (especially MCC wise which again I had two copies off).
I'm not in a rush to drop MCC anyhow yet so no major draw to H5.
Halo 4 had to be a pre-order and when it arrived it took all of a handful of games for the seeds of discontent to set in. Why were power weapons drops now? what had happened to the gameplay that I knew and love. We were gutted but knew that it was 343's first attempt at a halo games and so the game was parked hoping that the next halo would rectify it.
Then came MCC, again a pre-order and again we were burnt with all the problems that this game had. Its been a love\hate relationship ever since however we are still playing H2A daily and still love the game, its finally in the state that it should have been in on release day. I have two copies of gears ultimate but have hardly played online with my son yet so that's how good the draw from H2A is.
Now with halo 5, having been burnt with day one on halo 4 and day one on MCC, we are not buying H5 out of protest. I'll wait to see what the community says and will pick it up a month or two after release. Its definitely not money related but purely a refusal to pay for substandard products (especially MCC wise which again I had two copies off).
I'm not in a rush to drop MCC anyhow yet so no major draw to H5.
Glad they changed the thread title. I was afraid to comment about it out of fear of being banned.
I'm sooo glad that the 30 vs 60 fps argument is irrelevant because 343 have correctly embraced 60 fps as the superior way of life. Having switched to PCs in the past 2 years and playing most games on a 144hz monitor, I don't know if I would be able to play Halo 5 MP and enjoy it anymore if they had decided to stick to 30 fps.
30 FPS is just bad for Halo. Don't fight this change.
I'm sooo glad that the 30 vs 60 fps argument is irrelevant because 343 have correctly embraced 60 fps as the superior way of life. Having switched to PCs in the past 2 years and playing most games on a 144hz monitor, I don't know if I would be able to play Halo 5 MP and enjoy it anymore if they had decided to stick to 30 fps.
30 FPS is just bad for Halo. Don't fight this change.
I loved Halo and it was probably my favorite game series for almost a decade. I was pretty big into the campaigns and the multiplayer.
I pretty much checked out after Bungie left. I'm not a fan of the direction 343 took with the series. Halo 4 pretty much failed on both things I liked about the series, and Halo 5 isn't bringing me back.
I pretty much checked out after Bungie left. I'm not a fan of the direction 343 took with the series. Halo 4 pretty much failed on both things I liked about the series, and Halo 5 isn't bringing me back.
Thats one way to look at things. Another is that maybe what the franchise needs is what Infinity Ward did with Cod: Modern Warfare a complete turn from Halo being "Halo" because that formula got old with H3 to me. People would not be complaining that Halo is not really Halo anymore because its not that great what we got regardless.
Fox Mulder
Member
because halo is an iconic franchise that went through some radical changes. I've played it since the beginning, but it's just not for me anymore apparently.
Nope. I was excited to get back into the series with MCC. MS releasing the game in the state they did killed all Halo excitement for me. I went from being excited to feeling ripped off.
My PC died and I had to chose between my currentX1 and a new PC, the way MS treated me as a customer on X1 made it an easy decision to go PC. I sold my X1 and moved on.
Congrats 434 and MS.
My PC died and I had to chose between my currentX1 and a new PC, the way MS treated me as a customer on X1 made it an easy decision to go PC. I sold my X1 and moved on.
Congrats 434 and MS.
Kydd BlaZe
Member
I will always love Halo. I even read all the books. Huge fan of the franchise.
RedSparrows
Member
Loot. Destiny gets away with so much shit cos of loot. It has many qualities too, but loot is the core of it all.
Just make a new franchise at that point. You're very wrong that people won't be complaining. That might just kill the Halo brand. It would certainly piss off all the people who are still fans of the series (there's still a few around). Unless I'm missing your point? The main reason people disliked the more recent entries is because it threw away some important mechanics and replaced them with shit.
privitsan02
Member
I never particularly cared about Halo, but anything after Reach seems like fanfiction to me now that Bungie isn't involved.
Best wishes.
Best wishes.
SamastahSukhino
Banned
60fps. I'm looking forward to halo 5 more than any other halo. Thank master chief that 343 isn't butchering the game to make it pretty or adding shit that would make it run like a slideshow.
Coin Return
Loose Slot
I bought MCC at launch and let it sit on my hard drive until about 2 months ago because of the multiplayer issues.
Since they've been ironed out, I've been playing the shit out of these 4 (well, 5 with ODST) games pretty much every night. Multiplayer is still unrivaled, and Halo 4 gets way too much hate. I'm more hyped than ever, and I can't wait for Guardians.
Since they've been ironed out, I've been playing the shit out of these 4 (well, 5 with ODST) games pretty much every night. Multiplayer is still unrivaled, and Halo 4 gets way too much hate. I'm more hyped than ever, and I can't wait for Guardians.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I haven't cared about it since completing Halo 3.
Haven't touched ODST or anything that followed, and will continue to do so. There's more interesting stuff to play.
Haven't touched ODST or anything that followed, and will continue to do so. There's more interesting stuff to play.
I still care about the campaign, story and the general Halo lore. It's hard to not care.
However, I stopped caring about MP more or less. I just can't agree with 343i's direction. I'll care again, if we get the following:
However, I stopped caring about MP more or less. I just can't agree with 343i's direction. I'll care again, if we get the following:
- A huge redesign of the Forge mode. What we need is a propper tool and not a Lego Block builder. Then we can do things like this.
- Completely customizable settings for weapons, pick ups and abilities. Rate of Fire, Damage etc.
- A Custom Game Browser. Being able to search by map/gamemode. Not tied to official matchmaking.
- Server Selection for official matchmaking. Might be in, but I have a bad feeling about it, due to how the ranking system works.