Ken Masters
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Does MGS4 still have the best cutscenes in the industry?
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Mr. B Natural
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I didn't play MGS4, but judging by those screenshots, did the sun turn into green slime in the game?
How About No
Member
"Behold...the Guns...Of the Patriots!"
*5 minutes later*
"Behold...the Guns...Of the Patriots!"
The faces looked really good though
*5 minutes later*
"Behold...the Guns...Of the Patriots!"
The faces looked really good though
Betta Lines
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Maybe if you asked 'Does MGS4 still have the most impressive realtime cutscenes in the industry?' the answer might be yes.
I just assumed we were talking about real time cut-scenes since most aren't pre-rendered in MGS4. Shouldn't group them all together IMO since pre-rendered cut scenes give the devs much more freedom.
There are some serious MGS4 haters here..to the point that they will ignore the actual question at hand to just vomit on MGS4. It is one thing to believe they are not technically impressive, but the reasons given are basically just 'I don't like them, so everything about them is shit'.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
GTA 4 and the episodes have been the most entertaining for me, primarily because the writing and voice acting is top notch.
TacticalFox88
Banned
The cutscenes and story are literally just exposition. I feel bad fir the voice actors saying all this ridiculous dialogue in this retarded story.
Realtime cutscenes are the only ones that can be impressive to me.
You can really tell a lot of attention was put into them that's for sure. From the way they had to motion capture entire 5 minute sequences just so you could use mkII is still sort of mind blowing to me even when I went back to it a week ago. I still really enjoy it. Install issues aside which is now the biggest problem I have with it.
And making this thread on GAF I'm surprised you weren't crucified further for saying something good about it.
And making this thread on GAF I'm surprised you weren't crucified further for saying something good about it.
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Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
no different than the people who like it saying it's the indisputable best without any explanation.
protip: in gaf mgs4 arguments as soon as you accuse someone of having some biased agenda for or against the game, you lose
I thought the cutscenes were good. Although I hated the choreography in the Raiden vs Vamp example picture you posted. You can do crazy impossible action scenes without making them look stupid like that one.(like others have said, Bayonetta and DMC4 are a good example of this. although DMC4 had some pretty bad scenes too)
So yeah I don't know if I'd say they were the best, but they were definitely good.
Give gaf a ring when dialogue, delivery and plot are no longer important parts of cutscenes.
What looked stupid about the Raiden vs Vamp fight? I thought it was choreographed really well.
JaseMath
Member
Came to post this. They're too fucking long.
Such timeless classics as "Akiba shitting in a trashcan"
Tons of shitty dialogue and scenarios aside, though, I really appreciated the use of mocap. Sometimes a little too much god damn swaying around from the actors, but generally you got a really good impression that the people in scenes weren't entirely automatons.
Tons of shitty dialogue and scenarios aside, though, I really appreciated the use of mocap. Sometimes a little too much god damn swaying around from the actors, but generally you got a really good impression that the people in scenes weren't entirely automatons.
Wow, I was pretty much bored to tears with Bayonetta's cutscenes, I found most of them to be poorly-directed, confusing mess.
I agree for FFXIII, though, fantastic direction in some of them, very high production value too.
Haven't played MGS4 yet, I'll make sure to do that soon.
I agree for FFXIII, though, fantastic direction in some of them, very high production value too.
Haven't played MGS4 yet, I'll make sure to do that soon.
Ken Masters
Banned
The writing in 99% of games is obsolete shit, cringe worthy even. Uncharted gets praised, but in reality its just a mindless fun action script, nothing more. But MGS4 gets called out for being over the top, or poorly written, like it's being compared to the writing from The Godfather.
I'm not saying the story is good, but compared to video games, it blows most away
I'm not saying the story is good, but compared to video games, it blows most away
REMEMBER CITADEL
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In my experience, Kojima is great at directing action, but much worse with everything else.
For instance, this:
is absolute garbage except for the Raiden parts.
For instance, this:
is absolute garbage except for the Raiden parts.
Well, isn't it? All kidding aside, I wasn't claiming that MGS4 has the best storytelling in the medium, but rather the best-directed cutscenes.
Best how? They were stupid long and bloated, with horrible writing and stiff voice acting. Some of the action scenes are kinda cool, but it'd be nice if you could actually play the action instead of watching it. One thing Uncharted does perfectly is that it only uses cut-scenes for dialogue and narrative exposition, everything else is left for gameplay. And they're two minutes long on average. Fucking learn Hideous Kojima.
oh you
oh you
Over-the-top? Yes. Bad (if we're talking about action scenes)? No.
On topic, add me to the RE5 cutscenes appreaciation group. Whatever you may think of the script, the directon, mo-cap, face animation and especially camera work are great in that game.
Nope, no way in hell. While some scenes are great, on the whole they are just too damned long. I think I fell asleep through half the game. Action scenes make for great cut scenes, not so much 20 minutes of self-indulgent dialogue from CGI people.
I enjoyed the cut scenes in games like RE5, Yakuza 3/4, and FFXIII a whole lot more. They were long enough to make an impact, but not so long as too wear out their welcome.
I enjoyed the cut scenes in games like RE5, Yakuza 3/4, and FFXIII a whole lot more. They were long enough to make an impact, but not so long as too wear out their welcome.
iKeepPlaying
Banned
Most cutscenes in the game are awesome. Some others, not so much.
But gee, this thread is like I'm crossing some bridge full of mitical creatures living under it.
But gee, this thread is like I'm crossing some bridge full of mitical creatures living under it.
Christ I forgot about that awful filter the game uses. It looks like a corroded penny.
But on topic holy shit no. MGS4 was a joke from all angles and the cutscenes were way too long and full of too much bullshit. The Uncharted games are probably the best because of how realistic they are. They animate perfectly and they act better than any other game before it. Not to mention there's usually something nuts going on in them too.
But on topic holy shit no. MGS4 was a joke from all angles and the cutscenes were way too long and full of too much bullshit. The Uncharted games are probably the best because of how realistic they are. They animate perfectly and they act better than any other game before it. Not to mention there's usually something nuts going on in them too.
NinjaBoiX
Member
Man, they looked beautiful. Some of the best CGI this gen for me.
Stop criticizing other members' opinions to this extent and post examples you find better. Topics on GAF nowadays devolve into "no u" arguments too often without actually contributing to the discussion.
I agree with dark10x that having pre-rendered scenes (like in Uncharted 1/2/3 or Alan Wake) takes away a lot, so I honestly have a hard time coming up with some great examples. I'd say Red Dead Redemption has great cutscenes; all in-game, all expertly voiced and acted, and not much craziness happens in them (thus, the actual gameplay provides the interesting set-pieces). The only thing that the game is lacking is that most of the characters that are featured in the cutscenes are obnoxious and utterly disgusting. You essentially want them all to die, and Rockstar has a knack for creating unlikable characters.
As mentioned, Resident Evil 5 also has fantastic in-game cutscenes.
I agree with dark10x that having pre-rendered scenes (like in Uncharted 1/2/3 or Alan Wake) takes away a lot, so I honestly have a hard time coming up with some great examples. I'd say Red Dead Redemption has great cutscenes; all in-game, all expertly voiced and acted, and not much craziness happens in them (thus, the actual gameplay provides the interesting set-pieces). The only thing that the game is lacking is that most of the characters that are featured in the cutscenes are obnoxious and utterly disgusting. You essentially want them all to die, and Rockstar has a knack for creating unlikable characters.
As mentioned, Resident Evil 5 also has fantastic in-game cutscenes.
CloakedPuppet
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I'm sure that you know that by bringing up anything MGS related, you're automatically feeding the trolls around here. I have yet to see a Metal Gear related topic that isn't instantly inundated by people trying to come up with clever one liners to bash this great series.
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Retro_
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzLQMO0W9U8#t=2m27s
This part isn't so bad as it's just so.....out of place I guess. Like in the middle of a serious scene he just starts head spinning with robots on his feet. There's no reason for him to do this besides to show off and that doesn't really fit Raiden's personality.(He's not bayonetta or dante). This whole scene is like that I guess. Kojipro just putting in ridiculous shit they thought was cool without any consideration of context.
I mean I could totally see two dorm mates high-fiving eachother during this scene. It was just weird as hell to me even the first time I saw it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzLQMO0W9U8#t=3m51s
Something I always do when watching cool action scenes is step back and think to myself that if you remove all the dramatic camera angles and fancy effects, and just saw the scene play out from the perspective of an observer, would it still be cool?
If the answer is no then I don't really think the scene is well choreographed. It's why alot of The Matrix scenes aren't that cool to me.
but the answer for this one right here is a big HELL NO. I mean what the hell is he doing? Why is he flipping on his sword like that? I can't for the life of me make sense of how they're moving right here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzLQMO0W9U8#t=4m25s
The most important part of choreographing a fight scene is to make it actually look like the people fighting are trying to hurt/kill eachother.
When the audience can tell that they're just dancing you've kind of fucked up.
Especially in a videogame where they really are trying to kill eachother
NinjaBoiX
Member
Doesn't trolling generally imply insincerity? I was deadly serious. I despise MGS4 with a passion. Even when I'd decided to skip the godawful cutscenes, the game still conspired to irritate the fuck out of me with the sheer frequency of the fucking things. Play 2 mins, cutscene, shoot three guys, cutscene, walk 10ft, cutscene. FOR FUCK'S SAKE, WHY DIDN'T HE JUST DO THAT MAMMOTH TREK OF 6 STEPS IN THE CUTSCENE!
It's like a negative of a photo, his gameplay/cutscene ratio; the cutscenes get all the action sequences, and we get to walk Snake through some dull enviroments and shoot boring enemies with unsatisfying weapons. Urgh, game is utter bilge of the highest order.
The homoeroticism elevates MGS though. Wouldn't quite be the same without.
NinajHeartless
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Perfect
Vasili2K38
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It's funny to see how the bashing of MGS4 reaches new levels (but I won't start on this because I'll get banned), but anyway I know the drill, worst game of all times -_-
About the topic, for me the best custscenes in terms of quality, editing, animation and dialogue are the ones from Uncharted series.
About the topic, for me the best custscenes in terms of quality, editing, animation and dialogue are the ones from Uncharted series.
keltickennedy
Member
I mean, I personally am a huge fan of the Metal Gear Franchise. But best cut-scenes in the industry? Maybe last gen on PS2.
Not long enough, imo
CloakedPuppet
Member
Touche douche.