I don't see the point in arguing whether Snake deserves to be in Smash or not. He's already in Brawl, I can pop in the disc right now and own some fools this very second. Sakurai already made the call that Snake is special enough to be included, the only variable we have to worry about is whether Kojima wants it to happen again as far as I'm concerned.
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Does Snake deserve a second shot in the new SSB?
- Thread starter Brickhunt
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I doubt Snake will be coming back. Bayonetta is probably replacing him as the character that doesn't quite fit in with everyone else. Sonic's position is secured because of the Sonic exclusive stuff, and we could easily get Pacman and round out the Megaman, Mario, Sonic, Pacman group.
What is your avatar from? I can't ID that specific design.
More existent that Mother, Ice Cimber and Kid Icarus.
Make it Naked Snake this time and put in some hilarious codec conversations with Major Zero, Para-Medic and Sigint. The one thing I loved about Snake in Brawl is how he complemented the entire SSB cast by being serious and goofy at the same time.
Colonel!? COLONEL!!?? COOOOOOLLLLONELLLLL!!!!!!
Colonel!? COLONEL!!?? COOOOOOLLLLONELLLLL!!!!!!
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
the smash community can often be the most tiring. Logic usually goes out the window when any character speculation or character inclusion is discussed. It's why I stopped going to Smash Boards and why, as much as I love the franchise, I can never seriously contribute as much as I'd like.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Yes because he's a very unique character and is a lot of fun to play.
PapaJustify
Member
The correct question is: Does SSB deserve to have a second shot with Snake?
Calamari41
41 > 38
Ice Climber and Kid Icarus. You mean two of the very first batch of home console Nintendo games in history? And Mother is very popular in Japan.
Get rid of him. He doesn't fit within Nintendo's universe whatsoever.
Keep Sonic though....GREAT addition to the roster. Megaman and Sonic should wrap it up for 3rd party additions. Maybe a Namco fighter if they really push for one.
lolwut?
Keep Sonic though....GREAT addition to the roster. Megaman and Sonic should wrap it up for 3rd party additions. Maybe a Namco fighter if they really push for one.
lolwut?
Slippy toad yelling "SNAAAAKKKEEEE" was fun.
http://youtu.be/yNNvvymdceU?t=29m3s
or Snake wanting to go naked after Samus or yell FALCON PUNCH.
I really want to see what he will say in Smash U
Very Popular with 3 games. Snake is very Popular with 5 games on Nintendo consoles.
Chet Rippo
Member
If they're going to axe out any characters from Brawl, they should be the first to go. Treat 3rd party characters like guest characters.
Razgriz-Specter
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http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/c/c3/Snakkke.jpg
Social Ops they also used it for the Legacy Collection.
Linkstrikesback
Member
As compared to "I want him there because of stupid fanboy bullshit."?
Metal Gear hasn't had a significant game on a Nintendo platform since Twin snakes (and even that is arguable). The 3DS remake of 3 was completely overshadowed by a full HD release of 2,3 and peacewalker on consoles just before the 3DS game released, with a Vita version of the collection soon after the 3DS game.
When the ONLY thing of note snake has done on a Nintendo console is being in Smash bros, it doesn't seem acceptable that he would get a returning place. Have Konami announce metal gear solid 5 as getting a Wii U version (Yeah, not likely) or an original game for the 3DS in the vein of the ones that were made for PSP, then he might be worth considering.
Until then, he really doesn't belong in the game that has as one of its major selling points being about the history of Nintendo. (In which megaman and sonic are undeniably much more involved than snake).
Oh come on now, really?
What's there to understand? Those are Nintendo created characters. Snake is not and is irrelevant on Nintendo's systems.
Nightstick11
Banned
This. Any character needs to be an ambassador for Nintendo. There's no denying that Smash had a great effect on Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus sales. Why should Snake get free advertising?
Oh yeah, he and Otacon yelling Falcon Punch! and FALCON KIIIIICK!
On topic, I don't mind if he makes it or not; if he does, I just hope he's just as funny as in Brawl. Plus, the Metal Gear stage needs to be epic again, like the Shadow Moses one from Brawl.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Why does it need to be? I don't understand. Yes, I understand that a large part of the charm of the title pertains to Nintendo nostalgia, and that's fine. But why does that need to be the only hook, particularly when it applies weakly to previous third party choices. Snake didn't have a strong Nintendo link in Brawl. Neither did Sonic at the time. Again, my problem is not that I think that Snake is an ideal fit in the game, but that's irrelevant at this point when he's already been in the roster. The reasons to boot him are strictly fanboyish no matter how one wants to spin it. When many people are spouting sentiments like "put MGSV on Wii U and then we'll talk," that's a fanboy motivation. There's no way to spin that as anything else.
Jawmuncher
Member
He should stay in because he fits as being the outsider. However if licensing or anything else is a issue for him to come back his move set should not be dropped buy given to another character. All the work into his moves which is a good move set shouldn't be lost
Free? People who like Snake will buy Smash to play as him, where people who dont know Snake will look his games up. You bring people in with Snake. He was in Brawl, I really dont see why we should put him out because people are sad to not have Wii U Snake games. Which, by the Wii U leak, should happen. The Wii U is not strong enough to handle MGS 5, so we might see some remake or original title.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
He's an iconic character and him being in the game is arguably more of a benefit to Nintendo than Konami. Sad that people want to throw out a good character for reasons like this.
Thread title is "Does Snake deserve....?" It's a question and people are giving their opinion on the matter. I don't think the "put MGSV on the Wii U..." is strictly fanboy talk, sounds more like a principle to me.
Jawmuncher
Member
Completely agree in this regard.
I bought a Wii and Brawl just because of snake. His inclusion was a good stepping stone for me and the world of smash/Nintendo.
Not to mention I know plenty of people who looked into the games after his inclusion.
Kid Icarus had 3 games on Nintendo consoles.
Metal Gear had 5. By simple math we can find out that Snake was seen more often than Pit.
Linkstrikesback
Member
By the time brawl happened, sonic had already been in tons of games on Nintendo systems. Adventure 1/2 remakes, heroes, Secret rings, Sonic advance 1/2/3, Sonic Rush 1/2, shadow the hedgehog (ugh), and with Unleashed coming towards the end of the year that brawl launched in.
It's not even remotely similar with snake where he's had 1 decent port, and one that was completely overshadowed by a release around the same time on other platforms that was superior in virtually every way.
Because you disagree with it? Yeah, sure, ok.
I wonder, is there some part of the words "relevant to nintendo" that you don't understand to even think the two are comparable? Especially when the two games (Smash/KI) are made by the same director, with being a major release this generation.
Green Mamba
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That is not a one way street.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I'm confused. Is the criteria about history, or about current titles? Why does Metal Gear Solid V being on the Wii U make Snake more deserving of a spot? Does a new game retroactively give historical significance? Because if this is about new games being on Nintendo platforms, why is Mega Man on there?
In case it's not clear, these are rhetorical questions meant to highlight that the criteria for what is and isn't deserving is inconsistent.
I was always fond of the Codec detailing the history of Marth. At the time, that was my first real knowledge of what really went down in his game.
As for the thread at hand, ideally, I'd never have to deal with cuts in a Smash game. This series is a love letter to gaming and as such doing petty things like using characters as bartering for new releases and the idea that this should happen is just sleazy.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Not to mention the Wii U(though a new Zelda will also do that)
Ike would also be a buy this now level character.
Troubled Bat
Member
Nope! Not at all, because Sonic has to get in first. So, be can have a better moveset since he was rushed. Plus I need me my Megaman vs Sonic.
Calamari41
41 > 38
I'm fine with agreeing to disagree on whether Snake belongs, but the bolded doesn't make any sense to me. Sonic has no link to Nintendo? The entire 90's begs to differ. Mario versus Sonic in a fighting game is something that would have absolutely blown people's minds back then, and in fact did when it happened in Brawl. Those two characters have everything to do with each other, and his inclusion in Smash Bros makes more sense than the potential inclusion of literally any other third party character.
Don't forget Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games too. And then even after that we got Mario and Sonic at the winter olympic games, Sonic Colors, and three more sonic games coming to the Wii U alone. He's just a good fit within the Nintendo roster. Just like Megaman. But Snake? No.
Yeah but is Snake relevant now on Nintendo systems? I'd say no. Sonic is in because he's on Nintendo consoles now and is getting more popular there. Mega Man has always been popular on Nintendo systems and the franchise is in limbo right now so I'm glad Nintendo is trying to bring him back.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Why does being relevant to nintendo beyond remakes make him worthy of a spot in a game that earnt its popularity on being a celebration of the history of nintendo?
Come on, the question answered itself just by having to be asked.
Already answered the megaman thing. Read the thread. Doesn't have to be historically significant. Wii Fit girl isn't deep in the history of Nintendo, but it's an active character in original games on Nintendo consoles right now. Oh also, you remember all those megaman games on the DS and GBA? I had a quick look, and the last major Megaman game that didn't get released on a nintendo system was in 2004. Exactly the opposite for snake.
Snake isn't. In fact, the problem with snake is he's actively an iconic character on everything BUT nintendo consoles. Or do you dispute that?
But hey, since you said it, I might as well too.
In case it's not clear, these are rhetorical questions meant to highlight that the criteria for what is and isn't worthy for being in smash bros.
(See how stupid that sounds?)
Yep. I'm sure that Metal Gear collectors will jump on the Wii U the minute they see Snake on it.
I should really try a Metal Gear game one time, never played one. After seeing DSP playing Metal Gear Solid 3, I want to try playing it. He is so awful at it, that its like playing Portal 2 after seeing iJustine. You feel smart.
Schnozberry
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I don't think that's reason it's not getting MGS5 at all. I honestly can't believe that many people are excited about five either after MGS4 was so boring, but that's gaming for you.
The Wheel of Fortune
Member
Nope. He has nothing to do in SSB WiiU/3DS.
Take him out and get Bayonetta in.
Take him out and get Bayonetta in.
Green Mamba
Member
Sonic is in Brawl because he was far and away the most popularly requested character. There has never been any indication that Sakurai chose him for any Nintendo console loyalty or history related reason and saying there is is an extrapolation from nothing.
Wait what?! Lol, the friggin' game is on the PS3/360.
Was Kid Icarus relevant in Nintendo consoles on the Wii? Hell, is Megaman relevant at all right now? The only game Megaman have right now is Smash.
Smash is not about relevance, its about icons. Megaman is an Icon, people want to see Megaman vs Mario. Snake is an icon. He's a Character that people want to see battle against other people.
Ice Climbers are the icon of the 8 bit era and Mr Game and Watch of the Game and Watch Era.
I would not be surprised if we get Ryu in Smash this time.
I would say the question is whether it makes business sense for Nintendo to pay Konami to promote a character that's probably not going to appear in any other Wii U games, but instead will appear on a competitor's system.
I don't think it does unless you can get MGS V and maybe a port of MGS HD Collection as part of the deal.
The upside is maybe some people buy a Wii U because Snake is in Smash Brothers.
Again, I'm not an advocate for his removal. I understand why people think he's not a fit in the roster though. If Smash is just a game full of iconic people, then lets just open the floodgates and let in Crash and Spyro and Digimon while we're at it.
The number of games on the platforms is irrelevant, what is relevant is whether or not the brand has a strong relationship in the image of Nintendo as a whole.
Seriously, ask around GAF even, what's more synonymous with MGS, Nintendo, or PlayStation?
Steve Youngblood
Member
He already had a spot. He's in there. Though, I understand that Sakurai probably won't be bullied this time or feel sorry for Kojima of whatever reason people think allowed his entry into Brawl despite Sakurai knowing that he's a no-good Sony character.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
As long as it's not Old Solid snake, I'm good.
SSB can have any other snake.
SSB can have any other snake.
HotGarbage
Member
Absolutely.
But in all seriousness he was very unique so yes.
Hum, was pretty sure it was a Ps4, XbOne game only. Anyway, making a game for the Wii U is different than on the other consoles anyway. Its not simply a question of bug fixing. You have the Gamepad to deal with.