Of course he would. From every interview I've read Coogler and Jordan respected the hell of of Sly and leaned on him quite a bit. I mean the man has wrote and/or directed 6 Rocky's.
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Of course he would. From every interview I've read Coogler and Jordan respected the hell of of Sly and leaned on him quite a bit. I mean the man has wrote and/or directed 6 Rocky's.
TheSecondSpitter
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Adonis will confront Drago at a gym, out of guilt for killing Apollo he'll let him beat him up, just as he's about to land the killer punch Adonis stops, Drago yells "DO IT" , Adonis cocks his hand again, Rocky does a Sting-style run-in save --> hijinks--> Adonis becomes world champion with Drago in his corner.
Book this shit.
-- V.Russo
DontBeThatGuy
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Rocky IV is more of a 90 minute musical montage video than an actual film. I understand the appeal, I guess (most of it nostalgic), but it's also some really silly shit.
Bobby Roberts
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I'm not so sure.
Looks fantastic for his age, for sure.
Yeah, when I was a little kid, I didn't realize how true this was, but then I went back and watched it when I was around 20, and I just thought "....hey, this is a music video." Still like it, though.
Yeah, when I was a little kid, I didn't realize how true this was, but then I went back and watched it when I was around 20, and I just thought "....hey, this is a music video." Still like it, though.
Everything was a music video. It was that time period.
Bobby Roberts
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As someone from that time period: No.
Robdraggoo
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I don't know about depth or any of that. But it is a really entertaining movie. Music, montages, David v goliath fight scene followed by one of the cheesiest yet cheer inducing speeches in all moviedom
Let the hate go Bobby. Just let loose sit back and enjoy Paulies handjob robot.
lightskintwin
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Yeah it was certain commercial films that were like that like Top Gun and Flashdance for example.
Nah, Creed was mostly Rocky 1 redone. Creed 2 should cherry pick a few things from the next 3.
Start him off as Champ, earning the vacated belt. Have him start to follow in his father's footsteps, Rocky's decaying health, Tessa's loss of hearing, etc.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's not though. There's no real entertainment to be found in it. It's just made too poorly for that.
The speech isn't even any good. He made a movie where Sylvester Stallone (not Rocky, STALLONE.) gives a speech that ends the cold war and Sylvester Stallone couldn't even write Sylvester Stallone a good speech. Which is probably why he didn't deliver it well, either.
At least he managed to put some good words in his mouth for Balboa. Which is entertaining.
Yeah, the entire decade didn't look like a Bruckheimer flick. And even the Bruckheimer flicks made more sense (from both a filmmaking and storytelling perspective) than Rocky IV did. The idea the entire decade's film output had a lot in common with Rocky IV is just weird.
Why are people still saying this. No, it's not.
Yes.
It was Miami Vice and MTV. MTV was highly influential to film back then. Obviously Rocky over did it, but it's influences is obvious for the period of time it was made.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You are correct in that those things happened in the 80s.
Are you saying they weren't influential?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They influenced some shit, yeah. Not to the extent you're claiming.
"everything was a music video."
No. It wasn't. Not even most things.
And that's ignoring the fact that even the things that were influenced by MTV/Miami Vice (meaning basically influenced by Michael Mann/Tony Scott/Sylvester Stallone) were more often than not done better than how Stallone did it in Rocky IV.
Even if you wanna grade Rocky IV on the curve of "how was it as a music video it was a shitty music video.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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I think anyone who thinks Rocky IV is jingoistic us vs them production is deeply missing the point.
Bobby Roberts
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No, the point the film is attempting is just that badly made.
You can give the movie credit for badly attempting it, sure. That's you.
I'm not gonna do that.
This is the dumbest and most ill-advised thing they could plausibly do with a Creed sequel. Drago only barely works as a cartoon villain in the context of 1980's anti-Soviet hysteria. Take him out of that and age him by 30 years and what do you get? Just an old dude with an accent.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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Well OK, at least we're there. But that's all the more reason for a more competent approach to building off of a blueprint that is full of potential.
A reflection on how jingoistic nationalism ultimatly doesn't care for it's heroes and how one can work to atone for the mistakes of your youth in a world that has passed you by?
hendersonhank
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Rocky Balboa was way better than Creed.
Rocky IV? Badly made?
Next you'll tell me Rambo II, Predator, or Bloodsport are badly made too!
Rocky IV is a classic!...
unless you're the Soviet Union.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Man fuck no.
All of those movies are better than Rocky IV. Easily. The idea that you'd compare Predator to the other two doesn't make any sense to me though. Maybe Rambo: First Blood Part II, but even then that's a really weak comparison that Predator just stomps all over.
Bloodsport is at least competently made. Which makes it far beyond whatever the fuck Rocky IV is doing.
lightskintwin
Banned
That MTV style and editing didn't really have it's major influence until the 90's, really unless you're only just talking about the music videos that played on the network.
Disagree. Not saying everything was literally a music video, but it was highly influential. Long Music sequences, over stylized, rapid cutting, dancing and more dancing. Not saying EVERYTHING was that, but the more popular popish movies had that similar vibe.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You did say everything was that, and you're incorrect.
I don't know if you're just misremembering it, or you're kinda just guessing based on what you've seen since, but that's not what it was really like.
CraigerGamer
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The best part of this thread is not a single mention of Rocky V. We all can agree that it just doesn't exist.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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It's everything wrong about Rocky IV, but has nothing of what makes Rocky IV great.
I'm not sure how that really works into Creed's story. Do fans of this series even want to see Drago humanized and hitting rock bottom?
This franchise has already had a villain turn into a hero. Doing that again would really be scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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I mean, i do. I think he could be worked in any number of ways because the connection is there, and i think the relationship would be different compared to Rocky and Apollo since they became "equals" while Drago would serve more of a supporting role since his time has passed.
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