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Don Mattrick: "If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards"
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depths20XX
Member
It is pretty sad that these new consoles will essentially be unusable bricks in years to come. What happens when Live gets shutdown or the authentication servers are done with? You're left with a big paperweight and a bunch of games you'll never play again.
Waylon Drums
Member
I never owned a 360...pretty much because I'm not completely rich and the PS3/Wii combo worked well enough for me. I might have gotten the Bone if it would have let me play the Banjo-Kazooie remakes I've been dying to try but eff that now.
*Plays Super Mario Galaxy 2 on Wii U*
*Plays Super Mario Galaxy 2 on Wii U*
Wickerbasket
Member
It includes all your digital content not being supported though.
Going to have to rebuy Street Fighter 2 for the 5th time and such.
There's a world of difference between physical media (especially cartridges which are incredibly durable) and download games and/or games that require you to connect to some server that will not be available forever to activate them.
I think the lack of choice if you can play them again or not (i.e., there won't be one) is the worst part of it all.
tinfoilhatman
all of my posts are my avatar
Misplaced specs\power and no backwards compatibility means I will NOT be purchasing.........sad indeed I wonder how long my 360 will keep on functioning?!?!?
megamerican
Member
I love that they devote their conference to CABLE TV and INTERNET EXPLORER and have the balls to call to something backwards.
THIS!!!
With a digital library I expect to be able to use it in the future on my chosen platforms new box...
Can you imagine if apple hadnt embraced this since the beginning of iTunes and iOS?
I know MANY people with iPhones that will only consider iPhones due to the investment in a large digital library of content
scar tissue
Banned
What the fuck. So you're telling me I can never play Braid again unless I hook up my old 360?
Seriously thinking about building a gaming PC.
2013 will be covered by my 360/PS3 backlog, so I'll give Sony somewhere around a year to convince me. Microsoft and Nintendo are dead to me (although I might buy a 3DS).
Seriously thinking about building a gaming PC.
2013 will be covered by my 360/PS3 backlog, so I'll give Sony somewhere around a year to convince me. Microsoft and Nintendo are dead to me (although I might buy a 3DS).
Off-Kilter
Banned
BC isn't a big factor for me one way or another, but kudos to Don for being a condescending prick about it.
Yep, I only got an iPhone as I had quite library of content already purchased on my iPod touch and ipad, that I wanted to carry over. BC helps to get you tied into that system. If its not there, there's no reason to continue to purchase products from that company as it is like you're investing in a totally new platform.
For realz?
Real or not, as Stumpokapow and others have pointed out, basing the need/utility/whatever of BC on statistics that predates the big push for digital gaming and the apple boom is more than a little silly.
RustyNails
Member
Mattrick taking a big ol steamy dump on core gamers. Relish it's glory and waft it's odor. Waft waft.
Q
qizah
Unconfirmed Member
They need some better people to talk to press.
I mean I understand why BC isn't there, it's new architecture and they don't feel that using their money towards making 360 games work on it is worth it.
But I mean ... that last line. "If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards". This reminds me so much of the stupid shit Sony used to say before the PS3 was launched. Like how rumble wasn't in the sixaxis because it's a last gen feature.
I mean I understand why BC isn't there, it's new architecture and they don't feel that using their money towards making 360 games work on it is worth it.
But I mean ... that last line. "If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards". This reminds me so much of the stupid shit Sony used to say before the PS3 was launched. Like how rumble wasn't in the sixaxis because it's a last gen feature.
pr0cs
Member
his comments just reaffirms that I won't be buying any digital content on the next machine.
Neither MS nor Sony supporting BC and all the hundreds of dollars I've spent on their online stores is totally unforgivable and the lack of BC ensures I won't be buying either machine at launch.
Neither MS nor Sony supporting BC and all the hundreds of dollars I've spent on their online stores is totally unforgivable and the lack of BC ensures I won't be buying either machine at launch.
Kasumi1970
my name is Ted
Don Mattrick you are backwards if you think I will buy your carper new system. After the 360 is dead you will not be get my money anymore. I am jumping out.
Man this is short sighted. The issue with taking a poll on people playing old games is they assume there will be new games to play.
The truth is it takes a while for enough games to come out to justify a new console purchase, but if you have BC, you can get those hardware purchases while they play games still coming out on 360. Instead of having them wait, and then potentially choose another system instead of yours.
They really need to think of install base for that first year. Get as many consoles into living rooms as possible and BC helps that.
Just look at PS2 for a perfect example where BC helped it after launch and for the first year (really before GT3 came out).
EDIT - Also you lose out on a huge list of potential software sales for those people who trade in their 360 for an XBOne. All of those digital games available to the 360 owners will now have a much lower base to sell to.
The truth is it takes a while for enough games to come out to justify a new console purchase, but if you have BC, you can get those hardware purchases while they play games still coming out on 360. Instead of having them wait, and then potentially choose another system instead of yours.
They really need to think of install base for that first year. Get as many consoles into living rooms as possible and BC helps that.
Just look at PS2 for a perfect example where BC helped it after launch and for the first year (really before GT3 came out).
EDIT - Also you lose out on a huge list of potential software sales for those people who trade in their 360 for an XBOne. All of those digital games available to the 360 owners will now have a much lower base to sell to.
AgentLampshade
Member
I've played more past gen games this gen than this gen games.
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Arkos
Nose how to spell and rede to
Ah, but I still can buy a new version of the White Album, with the full functionality of the original. In the case of records, I can also easily buy a brand new record player. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if I could buy a brand new Laser Disc player easier than I could buy a brand new Dreamcast or SNES. That's all I was trying to point out, I'm aware it wasn't as effective as I'd hoped.
What has to suffer? This is an era where you don't need to do hardware BC. Create an emulator.
EDIT - Don't get me started on Sony for PS3 / PS2 BC. They actually have an emulator done but won't release it because they want you to buy digital titles (which I would be fine with if they had their entire library up there).
The Bookerman
Member
I "Kinda" agree with him. Look at what nintendo did with the wii u. A Borked solution for CPU, simply to get the Backward compatibility working.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I already feel comfortable ignoring the Xbox One in favor of a PS4, for example.
Plus, how many people are really taking into account this past generation has been 8 years long? When thinking of "old games" are a lot of folks talking about their childhood and games barely remembered?
I honestly wonder what happens when push comes to shove and contemporary buyers must make a purchasing decision between an XBO, a PS4, or just going PC. Will brand loyalty be that strong when there's no continuity of content or investment?
Of course, in the eyes of modern game publishers like EA, it's all about yearly franchise updates and pushing ever-more for games as a service. In the view of many in the industry, it seems the ideal set-top living room box would just plain be something where nobody buys or owns games, and you just pay a rental fee that's ongoing. The box gets swapped out regularly as an upgrade, and that's how you lock your audience in.
If they've cultivated a gaming audience that is really just happy with that, more power to them I guess.
Where are the emulators for PS3 and X360 games on PCs?
It's not just as simple as "create an emulator".
QuantumBro
Banned
But Mattrick if I go backwards from 360 I end up at One.
Like Stump has already said, I wouldn't argue that BC has been historically very important but I do think it's increasingly important moving forward. As each generation of hardware increases processing power, a larger percentage of games is likely to not even need more than a fraction of that full power to achieve all their goals and we see that with the advent of "Arcade" and many of the Indie releases on these platforms. A homogenous "all or nothing" approach to BC seems to be increasingly tone deaf to the realities of technology trends.
Liberating games from physical media also begins to put them on the same path we've seen music, movies, books, etc. head down - where the content ultimately become independent of hardware. Certainly this has been the way of it on PC for decades, but other platforms are on the rise and starting to further establish this precedent. Consoles are starting to look more like the holdouts rather than the trendsetters.
Which is why it's so disheartening to see Sony and MS drop it entirely heading into this gen, when they've had the longest generational gap so far in order to properly ready themselves for this.
Liberating games from physical media also begins to put them on the same path we've seen music, movies, books, etc. head down - where the content ultimately become independent of hardware. Certainly this has been the way of it on PC for decades, but other platforms are on the rise and starting to further establish this precedent. Consoles are starting to look more like the holdouts rather than the trendsetters.
Which is why it's so disheartening to see Sony and MS drop it entirely heading into this gen, when they've had the longest generational gap so far in order to properly ready themselves for this.
KillerTravis
Banned
I see we are now on the "last gen features" phase.
metalslimer
Member
I honestly don't give a shit that its not BC with my retail games. Buying DD games only to have them not move forward is exactly why Apple and Google will destroy this industry at some point. I can guarantee that the apps I bought in my Android ecosystem will still work with the phone I have a few years from now. This is why MS's battle for the living room is beyond pathetic because they have no ecosystem. Its just one big farce to act like you have the ultimate entertainment device that will be thrown to the side in 5 years.
Well first of all, there's a difference between engineering an emulator and reverse engineering a console programming / hardware stack to create an emulator.
Second of all, of course it would require development resources but I'm saying that even if BC affects 10% of the userbase, I would assume that development would be justified with the 10%. Especially if they lose that 10%.
Dark Octave
Banned
What does that even mean? What a stupid thing to say.
How is adding an extra feature "backwards"?
How is adding an extra feature "backwards"?
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