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[Haly]

Just seems crazy for a card game.

List of Pro Tours

[B]Year              City         Prize Pool[/B]
1996		New York	$30,000	
1996		Los Angeles	$100,000	
1996		Columbus	$125,000	
1996		Seattle		$132,000
1996–97		Atlanta		$150,000
1996–97		Dallas		$150,000
1996–97		Los Angeles	$150,000	
1996–97		Paris		$150,000
1996–97		New York	$150,000
1996–97		Seattle		$250,000
1997–98		Chicago		$151,635	
1997–98		Mainz		$151,635
1997–98		Los Angeles	$151,635
1997–98		New York	$151,635
1998–99		Chicago		$151,635	
1998–99		Rome		$151,635	
1998–99		Los Angeles	$151,635	
1998–99		New York	$151,635	
1999–00		London		$151,635	
1999–00		Chicago		$151,635	
1999–00		Los Angeles	$151,635	
1999–00		New York	$151,635	
2000–01		New York	$202,200	
2000–01		Chicago		$200,130	
2000–01		Los Angeles	$200,130	
2000–01		Tokyo		$200,130	
2000–01		Barcelona	$200,130	
2000–01		Toronto		$399,200	
2001–02		New York	$202,200
2001–02		New Orleans	$200,130	
2001–02		San Diego	$200,130	
2001–02		Osaka		$200,130
2001–02		Nice		$200,130	
2001–02		Sydney		$372,200
2002–03		Boston		$200,100
2002–03		Houston		$200,130	
2002–03		Chicago		$200,130	
2002–03		Venice		$200,130	
2002–03		Yokohama	$200,130	
2002–03		Berlin		$421,130	
2003–04		Boston		$200,100	
2003–04		New Orleans	$200,130	
2003–04		Amsterdam	$200,130	
2003–04		Kobe		$200,130
2003–04		San Diego	$200,130	
2003–04		Seattle		$200,100	
2003–04		San Francisco	$416,130
2005		Columbus	$200,130	
2005		Nagoya		$200,130
2005		Atlanta		$200,100
2005		Philadelphia	$194,898
2005		London		$200,130
2005		Los Angeles	$200,130
2005		Yokohama	$403,130
2006		Honolulu	$240,245
2006		Prague		$240,245
2006		Charleston	$234,000
2006		Kobe		$240,245	
2006		Paris		$465,245	
2007		Geneva		$240,245
2007		Yokohama	$240,245	
2007		San Diego	$240,500
2007		Valencia	$240,245	
2007		New York	$407,800
2008		Kuala Lumpur	$230,795
2008		Hollywood	$230,795
2008		Berlin		$230,795
2008		Memphis		$437,670
2009		Kyoto		$230,795	
2009		Honolulu	$230,795
2009		Austin		$230,795
2009		Rome		$437,670
2010		San Diego	$230,795
2010		San Juan	$230,795	
2010		Amsterdam	$230,795	
2010		Chiba		$437,670
2011		Paris		$230,795
2011		Nagoya		$230,795
2011		Philadelphia	$230,795
2012		Honolulu	$233,500
2012		Barcelona	$233,500

 

[The Technomancer]

I have no idea what I'm looking at. I'm just waiting for one of them to lay down a card and have the commentators lose their shit.

This particular tournament is being dominated by boring decks, a lot of people are pretty annoyed

EDIT: oh god, the guy on the left is running an Eggs deck. There is no deck more dull to watch.

 

[la_briola]

I have no idea what I'm looking at. I'm just waiting for one of them to lay down a card and have the commentators lose their shit.

It was amazing! This Cifka dude was amazing, he just played 100 cards and one shotted his opponent.

edit: I have no idea.

 

[TouchMyBox]

It was worth watching to see dat grin.

 

[Tenck]

This particular tournament is being dominated by boring decks, a lot of people are pretty annoyed

EDIT: oh god, the guy on the left is running an Eggs deck. There is no deck more dull to watch.

Haha, Technomancer laying down that Magic knowledge.

 

[Technosteve]

all he did was keep bring his cards back until he got that grapeshot card. seems like cheating

 

[Archie]

Eggs:Magic::Chinaota?

Interesting

 

[SteveWinwood]

all he did was keep bring his cards back until he got that grapeshot card. seems like cheating

Not cheating... magic!

 

[HK-47]

all he did was keep bring his cards back until he got that grapeshot card. seems like cheating

He is cycling through his deck. The way to counter those decks is to disrupt the combo, usually through counter spells.

 

[Aselith]

Puppey was Tide that game. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2taGy9Jgcg)

And holy shit at that Clockwork @ Top 2. Hooks everywhere.

That was a good match! I haven't watched a lot of competitive games...is it normal to dc after you decide the game is lost in competitive play?

 

[HK-47]

That was a good match! I haven't watched a lot of competitive games...is it normal to dc after you decide the game is lost in competitive play?

You call gg and dc. Its more bad manners to gg and then keep playing and dragging it out tbh.

 

[Pureauthor]

You call gg and dc. Its more bad manners to gg and then keep playing and dragging it out tbh.

If you've watched the GEST qualifiers, quite a few of the teams do just that. But then the caster said it was just way things worked in... Thai? I think it was the Thailand qualifiers. That or Philippines.

 

[HK-47]

If you've watched the GEST qualifiers, quite a few of the teams do just that. But then the caster said it was just way things worked in... Thai? I think it was the Thailand qualifiers. That or Philippines.

Thats how they roll in SEA. They like to keep playing.

 

[Radec]

You call gg and dc. Its more bad manners to gg and then keep playing and dragging it out tbh.

I dont see any wrong with that.

 

[Sibylus]

Catching up on the big Star Ladder games and the other patch stuff (skipping over some of the well-tread ground *rimshot*):

Armlet of Mordiggian

• Armlet cooldown increased from 1 to 2 seconds

A bit more sensible, but you can still juke with this with ease.

Rod of Atos

• Cast range increased from 800 to 1200
• Slow increased from 50 to 60%

I ran some numbers on this before its 6.75 buffs, let alone the 6.76, and in terms of stats, it was already a good buy. With these two patches in mind, the added health is extremely cost-effective, the added Int remains great, and its active ability is notably stronger and easier to use effectively (both to chase and to save oneself or a teammate). I expect this to be seen somewhere down the line.

Shadow Amulet

• Fade time decreased from 2.75 to 2.6

Just watched Dendi employ this on Pudge, I think for heroes such as this, the utility of the Amulet itself may outweigh the utility of its Shadow Blade upgrade (for reasons of [no] cooldown and [no] manacost, as well as gold expenditure). Crystal Maiden, Witch Doctor, Pugna, Lion, Enigma, all these sorts of heroes could find a lot of use from the Amulet whilst ignoring the SB entirely. It's weird, but it seems to me there's little incentive to complete the buildup.


Tag Team

• You are assigned two random heroes (different hero classes). You choose which to start the game with. You start with the same bonus gold as all random.
• You have an ability that lets you swap heroes, has a 3 minute cooldown. You can swap while your current hero is dead to resume with the other hero.
• Any gold you gain is added to both heroes. Any gold you lose on current hero is lost on the other hero as well.
• Each hero has their own independent item inventories. Each time you swap heroes, the XP gain is synchronized.
• You have to be in the fountain to swap heroes (use -tt)

I could see myself sinking a lot of time into this mode, doing things like leading with a Caustic-maxed-2nd Sand King to bankroll Arcane Boots and Blink Daggers for him and someone like an Earthshaker or Enigma, and rotating when I die or my ult goes on cooldown. But in general, I wonder when modes like these will be ported over (perhaps once all the heroes make it in).

 

[Artanisix]

I've been thinking ever since 6.75 that Rod of Atos would be a seriously good pickup on Batrider after tranq/blink, especially if you don't need a BKB.

 

[HK-47]

I still think Rod is too expensive and benefits too few heroes because it has no regen.

 

[Artanisix]

It's completely farmable for someone like Bat though and the benefits of it are really really nice, giving him extra damage, hp, and more slow.

Eth blade benefits like 5 heroes total maybe, I think it's okay to have items that appeal to only a few heroes.

 

[Bacchus]

I think its a visble item on visage as well. Gives you an easier time to land your gargoyle stuns. (Their move speed isnt bad, just the landing animation takes some time before it hits)

 

[Pureauthor]

OD could also use it, I guess. Especially with Force Staff giving less damage, OD wants more cheapish Int items.

 

[Drkirby]

Rod of Atos is often called the OD stick for a reason.

Also, 6.76b. Phantom Lancer OP!

- Fixed a bug with Spirit Lance that would cause kills done by it to be considered suicides

 

[The_Player]

It's a great item to have on AA. Slow, HP, Mana; everything you need in one stick.

 

[JustinBB7]

Wow the Rod, I never really looked at the stats, +25 Intelligence +325 HP and now a 60% slow (Drow's level 4 frost arrow) in a 1200 range..

Seems like a good int support item when they have some cash. 3100 is a lot though.

 

[Sibylus]

I still think Rod is too expensive and benefits too few heroes because it has no regen.

It certainly only bumps regen by 1, but its main draws remain the massive health boost and healthy Int bonus, as well as the huge slow. It being expensive doesn't change the fact that it's a very cost-efficient item. That it doesn't add all that much regen is to ignore all the other benefits out of hand.

 

[HK-47]

It's a great item to have on AA. Slow, HP, Mana; everything you need in one stick.

It competes with euls for attention though. The guaranteed stun and the regen are stuff AA loves.

 

[Conceptor]

Draskyl dota with his friends is so goddamn funny lol. Related stream chat macro

 

[Dreams-Visions]

It certainly only bumps regen by 1, but its main draws remain the massive health boost and healthy Int bonus, as well as the huge slow. It being expensive doesn't change the fact that it's a very cost-efficient item. That it doesn't add all that much regen is to ignore all the other benefits out of hand.

I suppose that the question, then, is in what cases are the Atos the better choice over a Euls/Force/Scepter/Ghost/Orchid/Sheep/Mek/etc. Most of the context of this discussion has been focused on and around supports...and we know your typical support is fortunate to have enough money to spend on just TWO of these. Given it's price, farming an Atos makes me feel like it means you're not going to be able to farm a sheep or an Orchid or a scepter, you know? Is it good enough to skip those bigger items in favor of it?

 

[Sibylus]

I suppose that the question, then, is in what cases are the Atos the better choice over a Euls/Force/Scepter/Ghost/Orchid/Sheep/Mek/etc. Most of the context of this discussion has been focused on and around supports...and we know your typical support is fortunate to have enough money to spend on just TWO of these. Given it's price, farming an Atos makes me feel like it means you're not going to be able to farm a sheep or an Orchid or a scepter, you know? Is it good enough to skip those bigger items in favor of it?

In terms of health it's visibly more cost efficient than all of those items, and thanks to the buildup you can reap a little of that early with a vitality booster. So if you're concerned about being burst out in the early to early-middle game as a support, the buildup lends itself well to covering that vulnerability, even if you don't finish it before a staff or mek or the like. If the game and your farm goes well, you can aim more expensive (ie sheepstick). If it isn't coming as quickly as you need, two 1k pieces will give you yet more health and mana to play with and sustain you through the game's sticks.

Of course, it all depends on what you're valuing the most in a particular matchup: is it position and movement speed (Force, Euls)? Is it hard disable (Euls, Orchid, Sheep)? Is it health (Mek, Atos, Bloodstone)? What is particularly advantageous here with the Atos is that you're not locked into it once you begin.

 

[Des0lar]

Isn't Atos one of the most cost effiecient (in gold/stats ratio) items in the game right now?

 

[The_Player]

It competes with euls for attention though. The guaranteed stun and the regen are stuff AA loves.

Eul's skips Chilling Touch damage though because of the invulnerability.

 

[Sibylus]

Isn't Atos one of the most cost effiecient (in gold/stats ratio) items in the game right now?

It was definitely a contender when I compared a bunch of "int hero" items pre-6.75, shoe in with the two past patches' buffs.

 

[Phandy]

You call gg and dc. Its more bad manners to gg and then keep playing and dragging it out tbh.

Does anyone find this ironic or hypocritical that pro-players are allowed to GG and DC, but pubs aren't allowed a concede option. Not even a 5/5 30 min CC.
Its possibly more ironic that the upper tiers of dota are the ones that normally campaign for not having a concede option.

If its not obvious I think the game should have some form of 5/5 rax down CC or something.

 

[vitaminwateryum]

Does anyone find this ironic or hypocritical that pro-players are allowed to GG and DC, but pubs aren't allowed a concede option. Not even a 5/5 30 min CC.
Its possibly more ironic that the upper tiers of dota are the ones that normally campaign for not having a concede option.

If its not obvious I think the game should have some form of 5/5 rax down CC or something.

Eh, not having one is fine with me. Dota has so many idiots that any pub games that weren't a complete stomp would end up with one team conceding immediately at 30 minutes.

 

[GorillaJu]

Eh, not having one is fine with me. Dota has so many idiots that any pub games that weren't a complete stomp would end up with one team conceding immediately at 30 minutes.

More like 15-20m

 

[PsychoSoldier]

iG and MUFC are about to play if anyone's up at a weird hour like me.

 

[Sibylus]

Found my chart and updated it.

• Atos remains highly cost-efficient for raw health in an int hero item, but now is slightly more cost-efficient in the same respect than Bloodstone and Aghanim's Scepter (whereas before it was slightly less).
• Atos was the most cost-efficient item of those outlined for raw mana pre-6.75. No change in 6.76.
• Atos was the most cost-efficient item of those outlined for combined raw health and mana pre-6.75. No change in 6.76.
• You spend 0.77 less gold per unit of mana on Eul's Scepter than you used to.
• You spend 1.16 more gold per unit of mana on Force Staff than you used to.

iG and MUFC are about to play if anyone's up at a weird hour like me.

Can't decide between last game on Draskyl's stream or this. Halp.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Well if it helps, iG is playing KoTL/PL

 

[Drkirby]

You forgot to put that Force Staff is only 10 damage now.

 

[Sibylus]

Sold!

Spoiler

Draskyl and co seem to be losing again anyway.

You forgot to put that Force Staff is only 10 damage now.

Hotfixed, thanks.

 

[Archie]

:3

 

[Sibylus]

MUFC might have been able to hold their barracks had they fissure-blocked the ramp, possibly (though that would have opened ES up to tremendous risk).

 

[BigAT]

Any of the Empire/Mouz games from yesterday worth watching?

 

[tsunami643]

Sweet peaches, ferrari giving lessons how to stalk the night.

 

[TheThunder]

Ferrari is pimping it up with NS, one of the funnest heroes to play in the game.

 

[BHK3]

Anybody wanting to play Undying should watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIZGTZ44MA

Dude isn't perfect but this is a great way to learn how to play the hero, problems the guy has is not skilling his stuff as soon as he leveled up as he would have gotten more kills and not tombstoning enough.

 

[Pureauthor]

10 Minute Godlike Night Stalker.

3 team wipes at 20 minutes.

The best part was that MUFC was winning both their other lanes up until night hit that haste rune and then Ferrari just proceeded to utterly wreck them.

 

[Drkirby]

So, what is the best way to deal with a PA who has gotten a few items up? In a number of games with her, if she didn't get completely shut her down or just win fast, after about 40 minutes there is nothing we can really do to stop her, even in a few games we were leading. What kind of heroes or items builds can help?

 

[remz]

So, what is the best way to deal with a PA who has gotten a few items up? In a number of games with her, if she didn't get completely shut her down or just win fast, after about 40 minutes there is nothing we can really do to stop her, even in a few games we were leading. What kind of heroes or items builds can help?

Magic nukes is my go to. She can't dodge magic DMG.... unless she has BKB then you're kinda fubar without MKB

 

[tsunami643]

So, what is the best way to deal with a PA who has gotten a few items up? In a number of games with her, if she didn't get completely shut her down or just win fast, after about 40 minutes there is nothing we can really do to stop her, even in a few games we were leading. What kind of heroes or items builds can help?

Sheepstick is good because Hex blocks evasion. Blademail is good on your tanky heroes because PA will just tear herself apart in one hit. Ghost Scepter will get her off your ass for a few seconds, as will Eul's. MKB is of course crucial for your carry to hit her through Blur.

Heroes like Lion and Rhasta are good because of the aforementioned Hex and chain disablers are great for locking her down. Bane Enfeeble should bring down her damage substantially. Void is great carry to pick because Chrono disables evasion, as does Doom. Aside from that, magic nukers are your best bet to kill her if your carry doesn't have an MKB yet.

 

[Drkirby]

The games I have been in, she just takes out the magic users while BKB is up. Maybe its just a string of bad luck on my part, or some oversight in positioning.