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[Dahbomb]

troll was my favorite dota 1 hero. At one point basher stacked with his passive bash so people would buy 2+ bashers and essentially have permabash on anyone that you attacked.

Oh man those were the days. Troll and Void were god tier heroes.

I remember this one game I saw. 4 opposite heroes were ganking another hero. Troll comes in start attacking one hero and kills him. The ones shit their pants and start fleeing. He gets another one and the other two start teleporting away hoping one of them might at least get out. Troll managed to stun lock both of them and killed them both.

 

[The Technomancer]

So like the majority of hard carries. Yes, in pubs they tend to be a burden because they force the rest of the team to fight 4v5. and if you have a jungler it's damn near 3v5 a lot of the time. That's a lot of pressure for your average player to manage and keep towers alive for a half hour until said hard carry can be relevant. Especially when many pubbers simply random or play the hero they feel like playing irrespective of how said heroes will lane or what team fights will look like.

Mostly its that Anti-Mages that I seem to always get paired with have no idea that they're supposed to be an ultra-farming carry. They put themselves at risk because they think they can blink out, they try to gank at like level 6, and generally just don't know specifically how Anti-Mage is played. I mean, there are a lot of heroes where that's not too bad, you can hold your own even if you don't quite understand how to play optimally. But its so easy to feed with Anti-Mage

 

[Anbokr]

Mostly its that Anti-Mages that I seem to always get paired with have no idea that they're supposed to be an ultra-farming carry. They put themselves at risk because they think they can blink out, they try to gank at like level 6, and generally just don't know specifically how Anti-Mage is played. I mean, there are a lot of heroes where that's not too bad, you can hold your own even if you don't quite understand how to play optimally. But its so easy to feed with Anti-Mage

A well played am is still boring anyway because he requires so much farm to be effective. It's generally a very boring playstyle and heroes like PL paired with supports like KOTL/nyx or the str carries (lifestealer, CK) with wisp, blow him out of the water. If you want to afk rice, pick a hero like Shadowfiend, Void, PL, where you can also be very effective in early/mid game in teamfights while being held accountable farm-wise during late game.

And before someone says AM is effective in early/mid game, just take a look at all the recent gaf inhouses where an uncoordinated team of 5 just completely wrecked a pre-BF and post-BF antimage over and over and over again. I don't think he's won a single IH game in the last few weeks, and that is where he should excel rofl--an enemy team that is uncoordinated enough to allow him to sneakily farm for a good 30-40 minutes.

 

[GorillaJu]

Lol I remember when they changed bashing effects to have a cool down. I used to get bashers on void.

 

[1.09]

A well played am is still boring anyway because he requires so much farm to be effective. It's generally a very boring playstyle and heroes like PL paired with supports like KOTL/nyx or the str carries (lifestealer, CK) with wisp, blow him out of the water. If you want to afk rice, pick a hero like Shadowfiend, Void, PL, where you can also be very effective in early/mid game in teamfights while being held accountable farm-wise during late game.

And before someone says AM is effective in early/mid game, just take a look at all the recent gaf inhouses where an uncoordinated team of 5 just completely wrecked a pre-BF and post-BF antimage over and over and over again. I don't think he's won a single IH game in the last few weeks, and that is where he should excel rofl--an enemy team that is uncoordinated enough to allow him to sneakily farm for a good 30-40 minutes.

bro that's just skyladota

 

[Anbokr]

bro that's just skyladota

but jackie plays with pros u kno?

 

[BeesEight]

So like the majority of hard carries. Yes, in pubs they tend to be a burden because they force the rest of the team to fight 4v5. and if you have a jungler it's damn near 3v5 a lot of the time. That's a lot of pressure for your average player to manage and keep towers alive for a half hour until said hard carry can be relevant. Especially when many pubbers simply random or play the hero they feel like playing irrespective of how said heroes will lane or what team fights will look like.

Always interesting to solo pub and see 4 of 5 heroes picked have no disable...then wonder why they keep losing team fights.

A number of hard carries can provide something mid but Anti-Mage is very reliant on fast farming which, if you're lower bracket, is not going to happen. Only AM I remember trying to support would constantly blink into the two enemy heroes in the first five or so minutes. I have no idea what he was hoping for.

But people like Naix, PL and hell, even Void, have some form of disable or slow that can help in early/mid. I would shudder any time I see a Spectre but the rest of the hardest carries (barring Medusa for this first week) are pretty unpopular. AM is the only super farm heavy super carry I run into at any frequent basis.

All that said, I don't have a problem with him since most carries I end up with in solo queue don't know how to carry anyway so it is irrelevant if it's a stupid Anti-Mage or a fail ganking Phantom Assassin.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

sweet just got a Juggernaut ward from leveling up and then got a Pirate Mega Kill announcer as a random drop from the same game. Double rares!

Spoiler

this is the second time the Juggernaut ward has dropped for me, got one during Diretide also

 

[Dreams-Visions]

A number of hard carries can provide something mid but Anti-Mage is very reliant on fast farming which, if you're lower bracket, is not going to happen. Only AM I remember trying to support would constantly blink into the two enemy heroes in the first five or so minutes. I have no idea what he was hoping for.

But people like Naix, PL and hell, even Void, have some form of disable or slow that can help in early/mid. I would shudder any time I see a Spectre but the rest of the hardest carries (barring Medusa for this first week) are pretty unpopular. AM is the only super farm heavy super carry I run into at any frequent basis.

All that said, I don't have a problem with him since most carries I end up with in solo queue don't know how to carry anyway so it is irrelevant if it's a stupid Anti-Mage or a fail ganking Phantom Assassin.

You're right about that. Most carries can provide something. A nuke (Luna, Morphling, DK, PL, Slar, Doom, Centaur, CK, PA, etc.), a disable (Luna, Void, SB, Slar, DK, Centaur, CK etc.), or at least a slow (Ursa, Medusa, Viper, Drow, PA etc.). AM is really hard to make relevant early. But I suppose that depends on how flexible you're willing to be with his build. You don't *have* to go BF and AFK farm for 30 minutes. I've seen very good players go Shadowblade early on AM and murder people all midgame, thanks to the significant work mana burn does combined with the shadowblade damage. While still farming their late-game items.

idk. I just know there are mid-game builds that can make heroes like AM and PL effective in team fights early (with PL it's going diffusal instead of or before rad), but I don't know how fast they can get up the rest of their late-game items. idk.

Mostly its that Anti-Mages that I seem to always get paired with have no idea that they're supposed to be an ultra-farming carry. They put themselves at risk because they think they can blink out, they try to gank at like level 6, and generally just don't know specifically how Anti-Mage is played. I mean, there are a lot of heroes where that's not too bad, you can hold your own even if you don't quite understand how to play optimally. But its so easy to feed with Anti-Mage

yea, it's true. as AM, usually you're only jumping into a team fight when your team is mostly likely going to win, and even then you jump in at the end to clean up rather than at the beginning where they can right-click you to death. At least, that's how I see the better players do it unless they're going with a mid-game build of some kind (like the aforementioned shadowblade).

 

[Sigismundo]

idk. I just know there are mid-game builds that can make heroes like AM and PL effective in team fights early (with PL it's going diffusal instead of or before rad). idk.

I haven't seen Radiance PL for a good while and Diffusal PL seems to farm just fine.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I haven't seen Radiance PL for a good while and Diffusal PL seems to farm just fine.

One of my friends rushes it religiously, but he gets it in about 16 minutes if left alone (or if laning with Keeper). PL is scary without it, but with it it's just what the fuck.

also, regarding the Shadowblade AM build: SingSing does it sometimes with effective results:

https://dotabuff.com/matches/74327194

https://dotabuff.com/matches/94748060

he even mixes in diffusal on occasion.

https://dotabuff.com/matches/86693996


edit: and in another, force staff and MoM? Just dicking around I'm sure, but effective in pubbing nonetheless.

https://dotabuff.com/matches/13959180

 

[Sentenza]

Uhm, I thought Phantom Lancer was generally considered quite crappy in competitive games.

 

[Haly]

"Uhm, I thought Phantom Lancer was generally considered quite crappy in competitive games."

Meta shifted, he's the new AM.

 

[shira]

One of my friends rushes it religiously, but he gets it in about 16 minutes if left alone (or if laning with Keeper). PL is scary without it, but with it it's just what the fuck.

WTF - 350 gold/minute for the first 15 minutes.
I would like to see one of those matches

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Uhm, I thought Phantom Lancer was generally considered quite crappy in competitive games.

he's second-round ban material now in pro matches. Since he got buffed nobody wants to see that guy after 35 minutes.

WTF - 350 gold/minute for the first 15 minutes.
I would like to see one of those matches

you can watch any of those matches in the game client. Just search with the game ID and download the replay. I watched the first one I linked. He was fuckin people up with that SBlade, Midas and SnY. But Sing is better than most players so he can get away with unusual builds more than your average player can.

 

[Deadly]

he's second-round ban material now in pro matches. Since he got buffed nobody wants to see that guy after 35 minutes.


you can watch any of those matches in the game client. Just search with the game ID and download the replay. I watched the first one I linked. He was fuckin people up with that SBlade, Midas and SnY. But Sing is better than most players so he can get away with unusual builds more than your average player can.

what are the buffs he received?

 

[The Technomancer]

what are the buffs he received?

The big one:

Agility growth increased from 2.8 to 4.2.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

what are the buffs he received?

almost doubled agility gain. he has almost 8 stats gained/level which is unusually high.

 

[Zzoram]

How do I sign up for GAF inhouse dota games?

 

[Haly]

"How do I sign up for GAF inhouse dota games?"

Be present when it's advertised in the channel or in the thread.

 

[Wynnebeck]

he's second-round ban material now in pro matches. Since he got buffed nobody wants to see that guy after 35 minutes.

Just had a 40 min game with PL. Fuck PL man. He's quickly turning into the new Lycan/Drow/Ursa/etc.

 

[The Technomancer]

Just had a 40 min game with PL. Fuck PL man. He's quickly turning into the new Lycan/Drow/Ursa/etc.

I discovered by accident that Silencer shuts him down nicely early game, Curse of the Silent hits his illusions really hard if you have a chance to counterpick. And unlike other heroes who rely on invisibility I don't think pub PL players have adjusted to being a big enough threat to warrent Dusting, so using Dust is particularly effective at catching him trying to flee.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I discovered by accident that Silencer shuts him down nicely early game, Curse of the Silent hits his illusions really hard if you have a chance to counterpick. And unlike other heroes who rely on invisibility I don't think pub PL players have adjusted to being a big enough threat to warrent Dusting, so using Dust is particularly effective at catching him trying to flee.

a PL + Keeper lane gives no fucks about Silencer. That's usually the configuration I see out in the field.

 

[Wynnebeck]

I discovered by accident that Silencer shuts him down nicely early game, Curse of the Silent hits his illusions really hard if you have a chance to counterpick. And unlike other heroes who rely on invisibility I don't think pub PL players have adjusted to being a big enough threat to warrent Dusting, so using Dust is particularly effective at catching him trying to flee.

It didn't help that he had a CK, AM (LOL), KotL, etc. for team members. I was playing Krob with a NS who was too afraid to fight AT NIGHT among other hilarity. Anytime a team fight broke out, everyone ran around like headless chickens. It was so sad. :/

 

[Dreams-Visions]

It didn't help that he had a CK, AM (LOL), KotL, etc. for team members. I was playing Krob with a NS who was too afraid to fight AT NIGHT among other hilarity. Anytime a team fight broke out, everyone ran around like headless chickens. It was so sad. :/

welp.

 

[CarbonatedFalcon]

If Wisp is tethered to someone and uses Mek (or someone else does), does the tetheree get healed twice?

 

[bzm]

If Wisp is tethered to someone and uses Mek (or someone else does), does the tetheree get healed twice?

As long as wisp is missing hp, yes.

 

[Dmax3901]

dota2://matchid=99509482&matchtime=2099

5 v 1 gank on my Disruptor turns sour. Keep an eye out for Dazzle's awesome Poison Touch.

 

[Duesy]

If Wisp is tethered to someone and uses Mek (or someone else does), does the tetheree get healed twice?

Also, if you soul ring on Wisp while tethered, they get all the mana too. Wisp is broken.

 

[boosh5]

*skims recent posts*

Good... Good... No one talking about having a match with the worst Alchemist they've ever seen. His name was Bush or Boosh or something.

 

[Complex Shadow]

*skims recent posts*

Good... Good... No one talking about having a match with the worst Alchemist they've ever seen. His name was Bush or Boosh or something.

If no one is talking about the worst player they've ever seen [me]. Then I doubt they'll talk about the worst anything they've ever seen.

 

[bzm]

*skims recent posts*

Good... Good... No one talking about having a match with the worst Alchemist they've ever seen. His name was Bush or Boosh or something.

If no one is talking about the worst player they've ever seen [me]. Then I doubt they'll talk about the worst anything they've ever seen.

Last time I talked about bad players Tre` banned me.
#freerealtalk

 

[Anbokr]

Last time I talked about bad players Tre` banned me.
#freerealtalk

sux 2 b u br0, me and tre` are tight. #challengeverything

btw im enjoying this cinnamon ginger tea, how jelly? get on my level nerd

 

[Duress]

Ugh random'd Meepo. I decided to repick...

 

[Dahbomb]

Agility growth increased from 2.8 to 4.2.

WOW...that is overkill.

 

[Anbokr]

WOW...that is overkill.

He was never used before (maybe once or twice, with not so much success). The buff to spirit lance and the agility growth might be a tad too much, but I think what helped him and luna more is the fact that pretty much every other popular carry got nerfed. Especially morphling. Morphling wrecked a lot of other carries.

 

[Ketch]

I need more people to play with! I just started (been playing league, now switching over), I've been playing some Ogre-magi and I just got a sword for Sven so I'm gonna try playing him a bit. But playing solo is boring!

I piped up in the NeoGAf newb chat room a couple times but the people in there don't seem to be paying attention.

 

[Chris R]

Is there no way to play a hero from the learn screen against a bunch of CPU players? No way do I want to play this against human players for another month plus.

 

[shira]

Is there no way to play a hero from the learn screen against a bunch of CPU players? No way do I want to play this against human players for another month plus.

bots

option =
Find a co-op bot match

I need more people to play with! I just started (been playing league, now switching over), I've been playing some Ogre-magi and I just got a sword for Sven so I'm gonna try playing him a bit. But playing solo is boring!

I piped up in the NeoGAf newb chat room a couple times but the people in there don't seem to be paying attention.

Dont play someone just because you got an item

 

[Drkirby]

Ether find a Co-Op match, which is Humans vs bots, or make a practice lobby and fill the empty slots with bots (There is an option to do this so you don't have to manually fill all 9 slots)

 

[Filth]

just played as a visage for the first time in a longgggggggggggggg time. holy crap went 11-4 hes an animal.

 

[Chris R]

Ah OK didn't know I could fill all 9 slots with bots. Would be nice to just have a button to launch a 9 bot coop match from each hero's learn page though.

 

[The Technomancer]

Go 16-4 as a Sniper, farm up Butterfly, Deso, and Daedalus.

Next game dude lags out in RD and gets stuck with Meepo, disconnects three minutes in.

Dota giveth, Dota taketh away

 

[Complex Shadow]

I need more people to play with! I just started (been playing league, now switching over), I've been playing some Ogre-magi and I just got a sword for Sven so I'm gonna try playing him a bit. But playing solo is boring!

I piped up in the NeoGAf newb chat room a couple times but the people in there don't seem to be paying attention.

If you can meet me around 9am-2pm. East. I can tell you what I know and play area bot or real games with you.

Edit. Screw the nub chat room. Come to the big boys table.

 

[Lotto]

Positively not fake. He definitely does need help in lane to get going, but afterwards he skyrockets out of control quickly (shoutout to haly and 109 besto supports).

Max out greevil's greed and your stun first, get ult when possible. Max acid last.

My personal item build that I pretty much go every game is Midas -> Phase boots -> Shadow Blade -> Mjolnir -> Helm of the Dom -> (solo roshan) -> Basher -> Abyssal -> Satanic -> Sell midas for whatever last item you need as you no longer need the attack speed from midas. Sometimes the last item is BKB if they have an absurd amount of disables, but I find the lifesteal from Satanic is more than enough to keep me alive.

You can always watch the game above to see me farm, or watch this game where we were losing terribly, but my alchdota helped us comeback big time.

I just used this guide (skipped on HoD) and got around 692 gpm. First time trying him out in matchmaking and it was exciting how many items I could afford! I had a full inventory by the end of the match. Thanks for the guide, definitely lots of fun.

 

[Hylian7]

https://dotabuff.com/matches/100080568

First game I play in two days, and I get this shit. A Venomancer who refuses to buy the courier, insists on soloing long lane, and having Lone Druid jungling, leaving me soloing against a trilane, with no support of course. I get pooped on, of course, dying four times within 6 minutes...under my own fucking tower. Fuck this game sometimes. Where is a fucking concede button when you need it? This game was obviously lost within about three minutes, especially since we had a laning clusterfuck at the beginning. Also Lone Druid had to buy the courier, I felt bad for the guy.

 

[bzm]

milk found a new bug
eta till he abuses???

 

[Artanisix]

already abusing

 

[Drkirby]

Which one is it this time?

 

[Anbokr]

already abusing

typical milkman