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Ouch.

Oh god ouch my pride...

1033 silver 30%.

And here I thought I was pretty good.

I blame the russians...

Edit: Awesome new page so everyone can see my shittyness!
 
Its too bad they didn't do a poll asking what people thought their rating is and what it actually ended up being. Want to see if the DK effect is true (I'm really doubting it...).
 
Should i Create an excel sheet for Scrub League, my basic idea is

to have your DBR listed
what role you want to play
times you can play
amount of games you want to commit per week

Basically create a matchmaking service for 5 man teams. With a reward mechanism for being good cooperative or teaching.

LowerDotaExpectations TM
 
Should i Create an excel sheet for Scrub League, my basic idea is

to have your DBR listed
what role you want to play
times you can play
amount of games you want to commit per week

Basically create a matchmaking service for 5 man teams. With a reward mechanism for being good cooperative or teaching.

LowerDotaExpectations TM
Can i come tooooo
 
Should i Create an excel sheet for Scrub League, my basic idea is

to have your DBR listed
what role you want to play
times you can play
amount of games you want to commit per week

Basically create a matchmaking service for 5 man teams. With a reward mechanism for being good cooperative or teaching.

LowerDotaExpectations TM

this is a good idea, get dem n00bies playing 5 man CM to get better
 
Is it recommended to have a favorite hero/a select few favorite heroes, or is it better to keep switching it up so you're more well-rounded?

So...I've had to uninstall Dota2. It was becoming an obsession and effecting my mood. If I had been on a losing streak, I was a dick to everyone around me and if I was winning, I was cheerful soul.

This will also let me get back to completing other games that are still in a box.

Good choice. I'd be pissed if my friend was being a dick to me because he just lost a video game match. Even my most competitive CounterStrike-playing friends can chill out after a bad scrim. Hopefully you can get yourself more balanced so you can enjoy Dota without the mood effects.
 
Funny to see people take the ratings so seriously, some of the ratings I've seen look like complete nonsense.
 
Its too bad they didn't do a poll asking what people thought their rating is and what it actually ended up being. Want to see if the DK effect is true (I'm really doubting it...).

I would have liked to see this too. I thought I would be in the 50-60 percentile, but lo and behold, I'm 80.

Should i Create an excel sheet for Scrub League, my basic idea is

to have your DBR listed
what role you want to play
times you can play
amount of games you want to commit per week

Basically create a matchmaking service for 5 man teams. With a reward mechanism for being good cooperative or teaching.

LowerDotaExpectations TM

What are you considering the cutoff DBR for "Scrub League"?
 
Cool, I'll PM you. I can't sneer at Gold as I'm an even dirtier Silver.

I AM NOT AN ANIMAL I'M A HUMAN BEING!

Gonna watch it in a bit!
Some thoughts:

-I think you bought too much regen, some stats would have been good, like 1x tango 1x salve 2x branch + clarities
-Very early game: You were too close to the creeps when you harassed them, pulled aggro and got attacked yourself by the creeps. The way you do it you nearly harass yourself more than them.
I would recommend you to position yourself slightly differently, maybe toward the right side of the lane under the first trees. It would be more offensive but probably safer as if you can get into such a position that you don't pull aggro while harassing.
And don't right click the hero until you are sure you're in range, because otherwise you're gonna pull creep aggro even though you don't get the attack off. Instead move closer to them first then attack.
Also, harassing to much while drawing creep aggro makes it really hard for the carry to farm.
-"Wooden PC", classic dota terminology. I approve.
-You probably shouldn't skill liquid fire (e) so early, instead get ice path (w) at lvl 1 (as you did), and then max dual breath (q) and after that ice path. In some cases you want to get ulti at 6, sometimes not, same goes for liquid fire if you can push the tower or get great auto-attack harass off.
Mana isn't really a big problem for thd/jakiro as his int is very good.
-I think you generally position yourself too close to the creeps, that's what caused the first blood on you imo. Try to keep some distance, sometimes on your side and sometimes on their side or on the side (secret shop/woods).
-When you buy sentries for the lane I wouldn't recommend placing them right away, instead wait until you know he's on the lane and you know that you can get the kill off/some good harass. They only last 3 minutes after all. And even though you put them up, you didn't take the chance to ice path bounty hunter when he ran into them. Could have stunned him and nearly drained all of his mana together with AM.
-When you're defending a tower, you positioned yourself in the front of it before your creeps came, very dangerous. I think you should take a more defensive position, as it gives you more time to set up your skills and you have a quicker path to safety.

-Generally for early game, I would recommend you to spend more time on denying creeps and focus the harass on the opportunities that are actually really good, rather than trying to harass all the time.

-Sadly you lacked a lot of impact because of your skill build, dual breath is an amazing skill that does a lot of damage in an aoe and slows a lot. On the lane you probably want to get the enemies away from the creep wave and then use it and force them to run away even further. On top of that it's an amazing anti-pushing tool, however it was nearly a bit too late when you got it, and that's not surprising, it's very hard to get levels as a support when you're behind and constantly have to help in fights where you are at a disadvantage.
-General tip: you probably want to carry a tp pretty much all the time, saw a couple of times you were home and had the gold to buy one, but didn't! Any hero, even carries should carry a tp at all times, that's my opinion at least.
-Warding is another thing, I think that's something the safe lane support should generally be responsible for, however I'm not sure if you should focus on that right now. Get the lane play down first, and then implement the warding rotation after that. Or even better, buy wards that the mid can place, then you don't have to move from the lane.
-As you can see, there's a general theme of positioning. Dota is very much about positioning, maybe even more than the other arts/mobas as the turn rates and shit like that are a lot longer. It doesn't help that you played thd, who has a notoriously slow turn rate and cast times (but no doubt, it's definitely a very good hero, and I'd definitely recommend you to keep playing him).
-A thing that I liked a lot is that I think the ice paths got better the later the game got, so even though it might look like a lot of "criticism", I think you're definitely doing well.

I hope it's of some help at least, I'd recommend you to watch the replay once again and really think about how positioning (with dual breath in your skill build) could have been better. I can't comment too much about the late game though, it was pretty much a stomp, so it didn't really give me any impression of your ability of playing late game.
What are you considering the cutoff DBR for "Scrub League"?

It's definitely 2100.
 
Some thoughts:

-I think you bought too much regen, some stats would have been good, like 1x tango 1x salve 2x branch + clarities
-Very early game: You were too close to the creeps when you harassed them, pulled aggro and got attacked yourself by the creeps. The way you do it you nearly harass yourself more than them.
I would recommend you to position yourself slightly differently, maybe toward the right side of the lane under the first trees. It would be more offensive but probably safer as if you can get into such a position that you don't pull aggro while harassing.
And don't right click the hero until you are sure you're in range, because otherwise you're gonna pull creep aggro even though you don't get the attack off. Instead move closer to them first then attack.
Also, harassing to much while drawing creep aggro makes it really hard for the carry to farm.
-"Wooden PC", classic dota terminology. I approve.
-You probably shouldn't skill liquid fire (e) so early, instead get ice path (w) at lvl 1 (as you did), and then max dual breath (q) and after that ice path. In some cases you want to get ulti at 6, sometimes not, same goes for liquid fire if you can push the tower or get great auto-attack harass off.
Mana isn't really a big problem for thd/jakiro as his int is very good.
-I think you generally position yourself too close to the creeps, that's what caused the first blood on you imo. Try to keep some distance, sometimes on your side and sometimes on their side or on the side (secret shop/woods).
-When you buy sentries for the lane I wouldn't recommend placing them right away, instead wait until you know he's on the lane and you know that you can get the kill off/some good harass. They only last 3 minutes after all. And even though you put them up, you didn't take the chance to ice path bounty hunter when he ran into them. Could have stunned him and nearly drained all of his mana together with AM.
-When you're defending a tower, you positioned yourself in the front of it before your creeps came, very dangerous. I think you should take a more defensive position, as it gives you more time to set up your skills and you have a quicker path to safety.

-Generally for early game, I would recommend you to spend more time on denying creeps and focus the harass on the opportunities that are actually really good, rather than trying to harass all the time.

-Sadly you lacked a lot of impact because of your skill build, dual breath is an amazing skill that does a lot of damage in an aoe and slows a lot. On the lane you probably want to get the enemies away from the creep wave and then use it and force them to run away even further. On top of that it's an amazing anti-pushing tool, however it was nearly a bit too late when you got it, and that's not surprising, it's very hard to get levels as a support when you're behind and constantly have to help in fights where you are at a disadvantage.
-General tip: you probably want to carry a tp pretty much all the time, saw a couple of times you were home and had the gold to buy one, but didn't! Any hero, even carries should carry a tp at all times, that's my opinion at least.
-Warding is another thing, I think that's something the safe lane support should generally be responsible for, however I'm not sure if you should focus on that right now. Get the lane play down first, and then implement the warding rotation after that. Or even better, buy wards that the mid can place, then you don't have to move from the lane.
-As you can see, there's a general theme of positioning. Dota is very much about positioning, maybe even more than the other arts/mobas as the turn rates and shit like that are a lot longer. It doesn't help that you played thd, who has a notoriously slow turn rate and cast times (but no doubt, it's definitely a very good hero, and I'd definitely recommend you to keep playing him).
-A thing that I liked a lot is that I think the ice paths got better the later the game got, so even though it might look like a lot of "criticism", I think you're definitely doing well.

I hope it's of some help at least, I'd recommend you to watch the replay once again and really think about how positioning (with dual breath in your skill build) could have been better. I can't comment too much about the late game though, it was pretty much a stomp, so it didn't really give me any impression of your ability of playing late game.


It's definitely 2100.

ksan tips are best tips
 
I would have liked to see this too. I thought I would be in the 50-60 percentile, but lo and behold, I'm 80.



What are you considering the cutoff DBR for "Scrub League"?


I'm thinking about this as if this was a dating website, or an escort service. I think if it's an escort service i need to hire 2100+ DBR players as my "escorts" and get sub 1000 player to pay for the "service"
 
Should i Create an excel sheet for Scrub League, my basic idea is

to have your DBR listed
what role you want to play
times you can play
amount of games you want to commit per week

Basically create a matchmaking service for 5 man teams. With a reward mechanism for being good cooperative or teaching.

LowerDotaExpectations TM

Could i join ScrubGAF? I think i'm still level 1 haha, i'm not totally bad though, i've dominated a couple of low tier games actually :s
I usually play solo and when i don't it's with my equally scrubby friend.
edit - Rating is 966 (Silver), I was expecting bronze since i'm still a newb :D
 
I got platinum, but its not all me unfortunately. My friend plays on my account like half the time and he is better than me on average. I'd probably be silver(maybe gold) otherwise.
 
I need eurogaf to post theres so i can compare before i decide if i need to uninstall

also say goodbye to hongaf grouping together with us lowbies anymore
 
19:39 - PuppetYuber: Post a ss of ur rating and say hi freak in chair pls
19:39 - PuppetYuber: Pls pls pls
19:39 - Wes: Why?
19:39 - Wes: Oh in the thread?
19:39 - PuppetYuber: Yeah lol
19:39 - PuppetYuber: Make the chair part in bol

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hi freakinchair
 
Ok I dunno if this has been discussed yet but if you go into your match history and click on specific matches, it'll actually tell you the rating of said match (diamond,platinum,gold,silver,bronze). For me, despite being rated gold, my match history has been predominantly silver...Any of you guys have this same kind of discrepancy?
 
Ok I dunno if this has been discussed yet but if you go into your match history and click on specific matches, it'll actually tell you the rating of said match (diamond,platinum,gold,silver,bronze). For me, despite being rated gold, my match history has been predominantly silver...Any of you guys have this same kind of discrepancy?

Seems pretty accurate to me.

My last 20 matches:
13 Wins - 8 were in Platinum, 5 were in Diamond
7 Losses - 2 were in Platinum, 5 were in Diamond

So basically, this tells me that I'm getting asstomped by (real) Diamond players. Considering I'm hovering right around the Platinum-Diamond divide, this is to be expected.
 
Ok I dunno if this has been discussed yet but if you go into your match history and click on specific matches, it'll actually tell you the rating of said match (diamond,platinum,gold,silver,bronze). For me, despite being rated gold, my match history has been predominantly silver...Any of you guys have this same kind of discrepancy?

I'll have to check the games when I queued with some of the better Gaffers. I know some of those were rated high or very high.

It was bound to happen...

Gonna be honest, I don't fucking understand these ratings at all.

I think it's all in good fun. I don't think anyone around here is really taking it seriously.
 
It's interesting and all in good humour.

But I can definitely see the beginnings of how this would go wrong. I'm glad that Valve added the option to block this. I'd rather focus on improving my game than fretting about what each match will do to my DBR.
 
19:39 - PuppetYuber: Post a ss of ur rating and say hi freak in chair pls
19:39 - PuppetYuber: Pls pls pls
19:39 - Wes: Why?
19:39 - Wes: Oh in the thread?
19:39 - PuppetYuber: Yeah lol
19:39 - PuppetYuber: Make the chair part in bol

KLbzg0W.jpg


hi freakinchair

I understand now... it's all a dream. Any moment now I'm going to wake up and get ready to go to work. Everything is going to be ok... I know it will.
 
It's interesting and all in good humour.

But I can definitely see the beginnings of how this would go wrong. I'm glad that Valve added the option to block this. I'd rather focus on improving my game than fretting about what each match will do to my DBR.

Fretting about what each match is going to do to your DBR will encourage you to play better.
 
Fretting about what each match is going to do to your DBR will encourage you to play better.

Which could in turn make you play worse. Worrying about a rating instead of just focusing on what you should be doing moment to moment could lead to less optimal play, and some, focusing on the measurable qualities of their play (kda, cs/d, towers, wards placed whatever, etc.) could also miss the less quantitative yet still important tasks they should be doing.

At the end of the day, its better to simply think, observe, and reflect, rather than try to make sense of a number and how to increase it, as is usually the case with just about any kind of numerical score.
 
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