Super Saiyan 2 seems to be a hush hush transformation. You could say Vegeta went SSJ2 when he became Majin but I don't recall him or anyone ever saying that he did, he just got sparks and stuff and the fans just went with it.
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Goku also says it in BotG.
Parallax Scroll
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Well the sparks are a pretty big tell, plus Goku's surprise at seeing Vegeta transform. Then Gohan comments that they are fighting at a level beyond super saiyan and that's why Buu's machine is gaining so much energy.
NeonZ
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I'm really starting to wonder what's going on with Champa and female Whis in the anime. According to the manga, they're purposely acting while Beerus is busy with Goku and Earth afterwards, so it doesn't seem like those scenes can take place after the arc is over in the anime. It also sounds like they're after the Dragonballs, so it seems like they should meet the Earth cast even before the Revival F arc. Will they just appear out of nowhere in the anime, with no build up even though they have tons of build up to everything else?
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Logically speaking he had to be SSJ2 because there's no way a regular SSJ could last as long against Majin Buu in that form as Vegeta did, no matter how much "stronger" of a regular SSJ they are.
Besides, if he were not, Goku would not have needed to go SSJ2 to match Vegeta's power during that fight before Buu awakened.
At least in the English dub Gohan specifically mention Goku and Vegeta fighting at the level beyond Super Saiyan.
Gohan's treatment post Z has been depressing to watch. He is not a born fighter but he is someone who understands it's necessity. Even Dragon Ball Online is a lot more respectful to his character. He uses his power and knowledge to usher in an age were many people understand ki control.
SSJ2 only made real sense with Teen Gohan's design, where his SSJ1 hair looked suspiciously bland. (i.e. Exact same as base form but blonde)
But yeah, I agree. Beyond the Cell fight, it didn't make much sense.
As an aside, I could see why Gotenks was the only other one to have SSJ3, as having any other 'adult' with the form looks like a weird body swap of Goku.
DragonSworne
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Vegeta did go SSJ2, but it was with the help of his Majin powers. After he lost his Majin powers he never went SSJ2 again. This is the first time since and without the aid of majin.
This episode is significant in Vegeta's progression of power ups.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Honestly they should have kept Super Saiyan as a base form the max thing and made it only attainable by Future Trunks, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan
shadowsdarknes
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I don't believe that Babidi controlling him was what allowed him to go SSJ2.
Vegeta was totally unimpressed by Gohans power who was a SSJ2. I think Vegeta would have wrecked Dabura whereas someone who was SSJ2 couldn't take Dabura.
Thanks for the replies guys
The video games argue that case as he was shown story-wise to be in SSJ2 for the Kid Buu battle.
I don't think Gohan was SS2 during that fight.
Parallax Scroll
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I thought this was a possibility before - that Vegeta had already achieved SSJ2 in secret during the 7 years Goku was dead. Today's episode makes that seem less likely, since it's emphasizing how significant and difficult to achieve SSJ2 is for Vegeta, implying that this is the first time he's achieved the form on his own.
Vegeta clearly went Super Saiyan 2 when fighting Kid Buu. I just checked and I see the sparks.
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SS2 discussions are a highlight of this thread.
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It's better than more Gohan fan tears. You'll always have the Cell Games, friends.
Nintendoga
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Gonna wasn't SSJ2 during the Dabura fight, but half the time Goku and the others fight people while they're Super Sayains when they could easily just go SSJ2 or 3 and end it quickly. It's a dumb thing they do.
SSJ2 isn't a shit form.
that would be SSJ3.
The Silver
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SSJ2 should've just been Gohan's thing, he's the only that looked really different, though even then it was only when he was a kid.
Of course Gohan had to end up being a mistake and nothing but trash so Goku and Vegeta had to pick up the slack.
Of course Gohan had to end up being a mistake and nothing but trash so Goku and Vegeta had to pick up the slack.
SSJ2 is barely even a form, SSJ3 sucks.
RIght?! It didn't even process with me that it was a thing until I saw SSJ3, "and this is Super Saiyan 3."
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I think people were doing that back when GT came out actually x3.
I mean, I personally think it's a cool form, but the hate that series gets tends to drag even the good parts down.
MaximumSpider
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GT is ass but for me, SS4 is the only transformation that makes sense.
DragonSworne
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Do you have a link?
Actually no. I own the manga so that's where I checked.
I took a picture though, because why not.
Nintendoga
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jhmtehgamr20xx
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Also, let's think about it this way for a sec y'all: why would Vegeta going SSJ2 be impressive in comparison to Beerus? Beerus didn't give a shit for Goku (of all people) going SSJ2 or even SSJ3; those were nothing worth getting his attention.
So why would Vegeta going SSJ2 be getting so much attention built up in Super at this point?
So why would Vegeta going SSJ2 be getting so much attention built up in Super at this point?
CherryWoodFuton
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SSJ2 (at least the teen Gohan version) is badass as fuck. It combined power and speed. It was like a Saiyan cheat code. Plus there wasn't a stupid limitation like SSJ3
http://youtu.be/Bu4Sp7TMgaM most gangster SSJ2 asskicking. I don't give a fuck if it's not canon
http://youtu.be/Bu4Sp7TMgaM most gangster SSJ2 asskicking. I don't give a fuck if it's not canon
Wrong. Vegeta reached SSJ2 during the 7 year period between the Cell and Buu saga. He simply wanted the Majin power to close the gap between him and Goku. You all need to brush up on your DBZ knowledge, waaaaay too many misleading posts here.
Also what's with the hate of SSJ2?
Icyflamez96
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Vegeta should've been SSJ2 from the get-go but they saved it for the end to create a dramatic moment. We all know he still doesn't stand a chance against Beerus.
It kind of bothers me he still isn't SSJ3. I don't see much reason for it anymore. He should be at that level already.
I don't know where you're seeing that.
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Unknown One
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SSJ2 is the shit. Down with SSJ3. SSJ2 is the most badass form, and the user keeps his eyebrows.
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Bigger muscles and spikier hair was also part of the thing, wasn't it?
Icyflamez96
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What are ya a buncha eyebrow huggers?
Feels like the 90's and early 2000's again with these SSJ debates. Yet for years the information has been available and people are still arguing over things that were made clear along time ago.
- Vegeta had already reached SS2 prior to the Buu Saga. He achieved it due to training.
Daizenshuu 7 confirms this.
Don't look at forms as "SS2, and that's it" when it comes to power. The show itself demonstrated clearly there being levels to each form. Degrees. Goku is in SS1 form fighting both Frieza and Cell, but clearly one version of the form is more powerful than the other. Same with Majin Vegeta. He was more powerful there as a SS2 than he was without it, but he was already able to reach it.
Also, outside of the sparks you can tell the difference between SS and SS2 by their hair. They are drawn a bit different.
And here is Gohan at the tournament, in SS2 form.
Vegeta was also SS2 fighting Kid Buu.
- Vegeta had already reached SS2 prior to the Buu Saga. He achieved it due to training.
Daizenshuu 7 confirms this.
Don't look at forms as "SS2, and that's it" when it comes to power. The show itself demonstrated clearly there being levels to each form. Degrees. Goku is in SS1 form fighting both Frieza and Cell, but clearly one version of the form is more powerful than the other. Same with Majin Vegeta. He was more powerful there as a SS2 than he was without it, but he was already able to reach it.
Also, outside of the sparks you can tell the difference between SS and SS2 by their hair. They are drawn a bit different.
And here is Gohan at the tournament, in SS2 form.
Vegeta was also SS2 fighting Kid Buu.
DiipuSurotu
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That's inconclusive. You could just as well say he kept the Majin powerup and it's what allows him to go SSJ2.
The M is clearly no longer on his forehead. But all that is besides the point. He is drawn as SS2. The artwork is conclusive.
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