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Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later
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shadowsdarknes
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Nailed it.
I kinda agree and I also picked up on 18 panting like that. I'm just curious where they'll take the story after BoG & Res F.
The former is also a much, much longer story than the latter.
Super's got pacing issues, but let's at least draw apples to apples comparisons here.
Icyflamez96
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I thought 18 got wished to be a human?
shadowsdarknes
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None of your reasons are good enough to call the show terrible.
But ideally, since you think it's terrible, you'll quit watching it and move on.
Do you really think the animators care about unimportant shit about a character panting?
It's a cartoon. They literally can make up shit as they go. If you're this bothered about continuity and consistency in Super, DBZ must have driven you fucking mad.
Nintendoga
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Krillin tried to wish that but Shenron said it was beyond his power. So instead he wished for the bomb inside her body to be taken out.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I'm rewatching Kai and Goku randomly learns telepathy lol
Unlike most of Gero's creations, 17 and 18 were humans turned into cyborgs.
On random things I remember, was it ever explained how Goku learned to read minds? I'm also pretty sure they dropped the 'Get stronger every time they almost die.'.
shadowsdarknes
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As far as we know, Beerus' search for SSJ God might actually be for something other than just boredom.
As we see the plot unfold, he might be looking for formidable warriors for a number of reasons.
And seriously.. at this point, DBZ Super is a fan service with a relatively light hearted tone. I'm honestly not expecting plot lines as dramatic as the Frieza saga.
As we see the plot unfold, he might be looking for formidable warriors for a number of reasons.
And seriously.. at this point, DBZ Super is a fan service with a relatively light hearted tone. I'm honestly not expecting plot lines as dramatic as the Frieza saga.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
You dont know how shows are made, right? You think an animator can just animate a character doing whatever the fuck they want? Before an animator even touches a page te entire episode was scripted, approved by the creative leadership, storyboarded AND voice acted.
If you dont think this show is terrible I would love to hear a compelling argument of why it isnt.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Goku just figured it would work so he tried it on Krillin.
ArchedThunder
Banned
They don't script every single little detail, and animators are given leeway in how they want to animate movement. The fight scenes in Resurrection F were made up entirely by the animators, the script said "a fight happens" and that was about it. Dialogue is scripted and the events are decided, the animators then do it how they see fit.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Roshi knows telepathy (used it in the original DB) so he could have taught it to his students.
Which he never fucking uses again.
When I saw that episode, there was a heavy implication that becoming SSJ wouldn't just make you more powerful but give you all kinds of new kickass abilities. We saw how that turned out. Stupid Toriyama.
He never ever needed tho.
This is all true but I, and I assume, most people have been rewatching Kai and that is our most recent DBZ exposure. Coming from the speedy pacing of Kai to the slow pacing of Super has been a bit harder for me than I'd like to admit even if I enjoy other elements of Super. I do hope things move faster once we get to the Resurrection F or Super Dragon Ball arcs.
I've also been rewatching Kai (currently at the beginning of the Buu saga), and I think I'm gonna have to disagree here. Especially the Cell saga (and/or the Android saga, if you prefer to separate them) is incredibly slowly paced at times. I mean, I don't think I can say it's as bad as the original run, mostly because I don't really remember the original run, but some of that shit dragged like hell.
Super, at least, consistently has something going on. It might not always be action, but it's always something. Comedy, world-building, whatever. This episode was a bit slower than previous episodes, I'll agree, but it's just one episode!
I dunno, I've been enjoying Super. I wish they weren't retelling Battle of Gods, because in my opinion that movie was pretty much perfect, but I loved seeing Vegeta cook takoyaki. Not to mention that family vacation, which was ridiculous...
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I keep seeing people mention female Whis and someone called Champa? Is that from Resurrection F? I haven't seen that yet.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Champa is like a fatter version of Beerus. You can see him and his Whis-like companion in the opening to DB super, but they haven't made an actual appearance in an episode yet. The manga adaptation of DB Super has actually shown some scenes with them already.
Aha, okay, thanks, I know who that is now. I watched the OP once and have skipped it every time since then, hah.
Is the manga any good? Better? Worse? Sorry, I'm sure it's been talked about already.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Also some of the story details are different in the manga. If you look at what's different and what's the same between the anime and manga, you can get somewhat of a better idea what parts of the story were written by Toriyama.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Not really, there are only 3 chapters and they are all really short and skip a fuck load of stuff. It's nice to see the art, but other than that the show is much better.
NeonZ
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The manga seems to be trying to be ahead of the anime in spite of being monthly (vs the weekly series) so it has removed most of the slice of life stuff and focuses entirely on the main plot. For example, by the time it starts showing the Beerus on the party stuff, they're already fighting. It also has some short scenes with Champa and the female Whis lookalike who still haven't appeared in the anime.
Haha, I guess I should clarify that it sounds like something I would be interested in reading as a supplement, and not so much that it sounds like something everyone should read.
What the fuck was that? Could they have stretched out Vegeta's moment any longer?
Got a kick out of Gohan getting his ass handed to him. And, also the Yamcha and Krillin moment was good too. They could have cut the Gotenks fight short so that Vegerta could rock Beerus for a bit instead of saving it for the next episode. Also, Whis going crazy over food went on for a bit much. They're really getting everything they can out of the food gags.
Got a kick out of Gohan getting his ass handed to him. And, also the Yamcha and Krillin moment was good too. They could have cut the Gotenks fight short so that Vegerta could rock Beerus for a bit instead of saving it for the next episode. Also, Whis going crazy over food went on for a bit much. They're really getting everything they can out of the food gags.
shadowsdarknes
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You do realize that the artists and animators do have creative freedom, right? You really think Android 18 panting was written into the script?
Again, its a cartoon and its not going to be a precise continuation of DBZ.
Again, several people have enjoyed the show so far. Beerus and Whis are great characters. The show has a good sense of humor, too.
So you think the show is shit, that's great. Don't watch it. But no, it shouldn't be cancelled because you don't like it.
He thinks he's entitled to having it cancelled because he doesn't like it.
Yes. Yes they could. Proven by nearly every episode of DBZ ever. DBS ha amazing pacing by comparison
NCR Redslayer
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This arguing of this show's inconsistency reminds me of this one scene in the Simpsons.
lol, yes, DBZ was well known for how densely packed and fast paced its episodes were. There definitely weren't dozens of times where characters just stared, yelled, powered up and did absolutely nothing of consequence at all.
Icyflamez96
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Are you guys coming of of DBZ Kai? This feels like a pretty fast progression of events in comparison to what I remember from the original DBZ series.
I watched it during the first Funimation run, but they aired "new" episodes 4 days a week back them. 5 days a week, I think for the first season. And you had the movies airing occasionally on Fridays also. So maybe some of us are put off by the pacing due to the week long wait, lol.
shadowsdarknes
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Essentially, yeah.
But seriously, if you just figured out that DB Super is going to have some weird inconsistencies and may not get everything from 20 years ago down to a T, then that's your own fault.
This show is light hearted fan service. Like we have said before, Dragon Ball is best when not taken too seriously.
When people start freaking out because things get a bit illogical, you have to realize that you're taking the show more serious than intended.
We get it. We are all huge fans. We notice the weird inconsistencies, too. We notice how Bulmas mother has her eyes open in episode 6.
Enjoy the show for what it is. Stop expecting Frieza saga levels of violence and serious intensity. The series is taking a light hearted direction. And its been that way since the TV special a few years back.
We are still going to see crazy fights, attacks, and off the charts power levels. But its not going to be at the same tone as Z.
Icyflamez96
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As did I, and even with that said I recall things being much more dragged out in the original DBZ. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it being.
Drilbit777
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This episode was alright but too slow paced. Almost nothing really happens aside from Bulma being slapped.
shadowsdarknes
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For comparison, if we judged GT by the first few episodes for pacing, I think we would have a very wrong idea of the general pacing of the show. Once Baby is introduced, the action just continues to move. Baby to Super 17 and then to the Shenrons in a very quick period of time.
But when they were tracking the dragon balls, the pace was slow. The action was minimal. Goku doesn't transform until he fights that one guy. And the first good fight doesn't happen until General Rildo. And that's like episode 20.
But when they were tracking the dragon balls, the pace was slow. The action was minimal. Goku doesn't transform until he fights that one guy. And the first good fight doesn't happen until General Rildo. And that's like episode 20.
TheVampire
Banned
It seems like Buu did the best against Beerus.
Or that he was able to keep getting up and attacking him again which I suspect is due to his regeneration / durability.
Or that he was able to keep getting up and attacking him again which I suspect is due to his regeneration / durability.
You guys should rewatch the tournament's fights in the original DB. The amount off nothingness happening is disgusting. Goku vs Tien pt2 and Goku vs Piccolo Jr specially, even when you watch them complete on YouTube, are full of several continuous minutes of power ups, stares and talk no jutsus.
Yeah, the pacing is definitely not any worse than the original run of DBZ. At worst, it's probably about as bad. I think it also feels longer than it is because most of us have already seen BoG already.
Doesn't matter, he (and the other SSJs) should have had that ability.
Doesn't matter, he (and the other SSJs) should have had that ability.
He has. There was no opportunity whatsoever to use it. The same way Piccolo is not transforming into a giant and Tien is not using kagebushins. Just because they know doesn't mean Toryama needs to engineer the fights or the plot around them.
Right, but Toriyama appeared to make it a key feature (at least initially) when Goku landed on Namek.
i guess most people forgot that 17 was all wrecked against Cell despite having "unlimited" energy too.
that unlimited energy to me was more in the lines of "we don't need to recharge" to keep living opposed to infinite stamina. also, considering 17 and 18 are still part human, the generators can't keep up with extreme loss of energy at some point.
that unlimited energy to me was more in the lines of "we don't need to recharge" to keep living opposed to infinite stamina. also, considering 17 and 18 are still part human, the generators can't keep up with extreme loss of energy at some point.
NeonZ
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The pacing is worse if you compare with the very beginning of DBZ - the Raditz confrontation starts by the end of episode 2 and the battle by episode 3. However, if you look at later arcs, like the beginning of the Buu Saga, or even the time between the Saiyan Saga and getting to Namek, this isn't any worse.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Well Goku did scan Trunks' feelings later when Trunks attacked him after they arrived on Earth.
Didn't 17 say in his fight with Piccolo that he has infinite stamina?
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