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I don't think people mind Gohan getting worked. It was just the fashion it happened (in the movie and show I guess).


Agreed.

It's not so much him getting crapped on in one hit that annoyed me, it's the fact that literally everyone else did better, even Bulma got in a hit! He didn't even make direct contact with Beerus, he just got swatted away like a fly. It's only been a few months since Buu, Gohan should still be by far the strongest of them all, including Goku. If Gohan charged Beerus with a flurry of strikes and he dodged/blocked them all and then got KO'd with one strike, I wouldn't be complaining.

They managed to disgrace him even more then they did in the movie.
 
Yeah lol.
Vegeta during that Perfect Cell fight almost matches his lameness here.

Getting worked by Cell Jr while Piccolo is cleaning house.

And not being able to get over a 12 year old being stronger than him. Just couldn't get over it at all.

And yes, Vegeta was annoying during all that. (not sure how long it was compared to the manga.) So seeing it happen again is eh.

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Yeah, the Broly movie. I don't include movies much in these discussions, but yeah Vegeta is lame in like.....every movie really.

Like I said before, Goku may have just passed him. Low bar. That means I don't like either much as of now lol. Vegeta wasn't high on my list to begin with. The Kid Buu thing was cool though.

I was just trying to show that Vegeta has always been a scared. Its seems a lot of people here are complaining about this ep and how everyone got a "debuff" when Beerus is a God.
 
Agreed.

It's not so much him getting crapped on in one hit that annoyed me, it's the fact that literally everyone else did better, even Bulma got in a hit! He didn't even make direct contact with Beerus, he just got swatted away like a fly. It's only been a few months since Buu, Gohan should still be by far the strongest of them all, including Goku. If Gohan charged Beerus with a flurry of strikes and he dodged/blocked them all and then got KO'd with one strike, I wouldn't be complaining.

They managed to disgrace him even more then they did in the movie.

biggest disgrace was how worthless the kid buu arc was.

If goku saved gohan, he could've beaten kid buu easily.
Or when the earth was wished back, the spirit bomb was worthless since gohan was on earth and could've came and handled buu.

Kind of lowers the stakes a bit when there's someone chilling on earth who could've been teleported there to deal with it

I was just trying to show that Vegeta has always been a scared. Its seems a lot of people here are complaining about this ep and how everyone got a "debuff" when Beerus is a God.

Oh yeah, Vegeta's always been the wuss in way. Dunno, something just felt different here. Maybe the magnitude of wussiness. Maybe how long it's lasting. In the movie it was more funny at least. Here, it's not really endearing.
 
You mean like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVtK6dx_DLY

where everyone else decides to help but Vegeta just sits on the sideline until the very end.

and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueFI7Mcgpvo

Piccolo literally DRAGS Vegeta to the fight.

the broly movie isn't canon.

And in the manga, neither piccolo, tien, yamcha, or krillin does anything during that kamehameha power struggle. Vegeta is the only person who steps in to distract Cell.

Toei made it so that everyone tried to distract cell,but only Vegeta was successful.
 
Vegeta was essentially traumatized as a kid by Beerus, it makes sense he's scared of him. It's just like Frieza, they both have something in common with making King Vegeta into their bitch.

With Frieza, Vegeta kept trying to delude himself into thinking he was a super saiyan until reality set in and he was literally brought to tears. With Beerus the gulf in power is incomprehensible and now he has people he cares about and wants to protect.
 
Episode was good, not one of the better episodes though. My order off top so far is, 2,6,1,3,4,7,5. Still really enjoying it.
Animation was subpar on the Piccolo, Tien, and android scene as well with the Dende shots :/ but everything else was goood....Gotenks looked just as awesome as ever. People tend to focus on the ugly animation a couple of these episodes have had while altogether ignoring the majority of it which is fine to great.

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The focus of this weeks episode is definitely to show the menacing and peculiar figure that is Beerus. Only 5 more episodes till this arc is completed, I think the pacing is one of the shows highs. My major complaint about this episode is that they just barely hit the marks for the rest of the characters' unique voices and what they bring. They did the bare minimum for them this episode which could have made up for the movie's same fault. Focus for this episode was the menace of Beerus, the flamboyancy,carefree, innuendo of Whis, and classic Vegeta overcoming his doubts.His powerup sequence was great, dug the music they used for that.
 
It was still there in the Buu saga I feel, though seemingly inconsistent.

Well, first I don't think Trunks dying doesn't necessarily relate to his rivalry with Goku, so wanting to beat Goku after 7 years doesn't mean he regressed in growth. It's kind of separate things.

As for becoming evil. He wanted to fight Goku, but things got interrupted so coming under control on purpose would let him do it. It's weird, he killed the people in the stadium (maybe to show he wasn't messing around) but when he said he loosed all attachments, Goku called him on his bluff and said he didn't believe him. So when Vegeta was apparently evil, he still kind of wasn't.

The growth might actually be consistent. Outside of getting mad when Trunks died, Vegeta didn't grow all that much in the Cell Saga. He just wanted to fight. The getting mad thing was like a 5 sec reaction.

On second thought, I don't think there was much regression from saga to saga.



Yeah, they're definitely building him as a family man. And wanting to avoid a fight could be a sign of maturity. It's just a bit much. Especially the freezing out of fear.

Once the fight was inevitable, he should've kicked into "1 minute drill vs Kid Buu I'm dead anyway mode". That's what people want to see anyway.
I love Vegeta's character but I still do think he's inconsistent. In the Frieza saga he's deeply emotional when dying and his speech to Goku is a great moment coming from when we first see him. Sure, Vegeta doesn't just switch to evil once android/cell saga starts but he gets this bitterness and competitive nature towards Goku when Frieza saga left it on a better note.

Vegeta's moment with Trunks IS important because he realizes he's been a terrible father and now his son is going to pay the price for it. That's huge for someone who wouldn't even save their child and wife from almost dying in a plane crash and exactly why it's so weird going into Buu saga where he puts his family in danger even if nothing comes from it. It then plays into Vegeta sacrificing himself as redemption to protect his loved ones and it just feels like a repeat.

I don't think it's at all inconsistent with everything else shown(Goku losing quickly and him remembering how powerful Beerus was as a child) for him to be scared. The problem with Vegeta in previous arcs is he always underestimates who he is fighting and this time it's refreshing to see him actually consider the stakes.
 
classic Vegeta overcoming his doubts.His powerup sequence was great, dug the music they used for that.

People have been saying that the OST is forgettable, but I've really been enjoying it so far. I really dig the song that plays when Goten and Trunks are on screen, and the Pilaf song.
 
I love Vegeta's character but I still do think he's inconsistent. In the Frieza saga he's deeply emotional when dying and his speech to Goku is a great moment coming from when we first see him. Sure, Vegeta doesn't just switch to evil once android/cell saga starts but he gets this bitterness and competitive nature towards Goku when Frieza saga left it on a better note.

Vegeta's moment with Trunks IS important because he realizes he's been a terrible father and now his son is going to pay the price for it. That's huge for someone who wouldn't even save their child and wife from almost dying in a plane crash and exactly why it's so weird going into Buu saga where he puts his family in danger even if nothing comes from it. It then plays into Vegeta sacrificing himself as redemption to protect his loved ones and it just feels like a repeat.

I don't think it's at all inconsistent with everything else shown(Goku losing quickly and him remembering how powerful Beerus was as a child) for him to be scared. The problem with Vegeta in previous arcs is he always underestimates who he is fighting and this time it's refreshing to see him actually consider the stakes.

Hm, I can see your points, even I don't necessarily agree with parts of it.


As for the Frieza thing, the manga was definitely originally meant to end after that right? Maybe that's why so many things had a finality about it. Cause yeah, Vegeta went backwards after that whole thing.
 
People have been saying that the OST is forgettable, but I've really been enjoying it so far. I really dig the song that plays when Goten and Trunks are on screen, and the Pilaf song.
Yep yep, i like those tracks too. Although of course its another jrock/pop song for anime intro/outro, i really like the ending theme a lot. Intro theme is great too.
 
I get what the episode was trying to do building up Vegetas power up, but the pacing just felt weird. Preferred the movie version a lot more.
 
So do Krillin and Yamcha just not fight anymore? Yeah, I get that they're outclassed. But if the stakes are die in a fight or die when this guy destroys the planet, everybody should be going all in.

Poor Gohan, I don't even see what the point in that moment was. I think it was to highlight how useless he has become. Gotenks put up a better fight.
 
So do Krillin and Yamcha just not fight anymore? Yeah, I get that they're outclassed. But if the stakes are die in a fight or die when this guy destroys the planet, everybody should be going all in.

Poor Gohan, I don't even see what the point in that moment was. I think it was to highlight how useless he has become. Gotenks put up a better fight.

they've both given it up. The only human that still trains is Tien.
 
So do Krillin and Yamcha just not fight anymore? Yeah, I get that they're outclassed. But if the stakes are die in a fight or die when this guy destroys the planet, everybody should be going all in.

Poor Gohan, I don't even see what the point in that moment was. I think it was to highlight how useless he has become. Gotenks put up a better fight.

Most of the characters retired from fighting after the Cell saga. That said, the reason Krillin said he didn't fight with the rest of them was because someone needs to protect/look over Marron. Also, while Tien does still train, I think most of his time is spent farming.
 
Beerus is able to incapitate Vegeta without touching him, and Vegeta is one of the strongest fighters around. I dont see why people are all up in arm with gohan
 
Beerus is able to incapitate Vegeta without touching him, and Vegeta is one of the strongest fighters around. I dont see why people are all up in arm with gohan

Beerus is a generous god ;)

But for real guys, Beerus is supposed to be the God of Destruction and the strongest being in that universe. He was surprised that someone could even be victorious against Freezer (which he probably could have killed EASILY) So of course he should be one flicking characters he even took Goku out with 2 blows...somehow you have to show off his strenght, cause I guess by now Goku or Vegeta could easily destroy planets too (even Freezer can)
 
Anyone noticed how Faulconer-esque the music sounded during Vegeta's transformation? Like, no horns? Just ominous synths.

It had a taiko tribal drum sound to it which is more 'japanesey' and there is a flute melody(which is in the wind category like horns) on top of it(which are probably synth, yah). But what you are talking about is near the end of the track, some ambient synth pads come in to end it, which is faulconer-esque, you can say.
 
Why are people complaining about gohan's performance in ep 6, again? It was basically the same as in the movie. Beerus smacks Buu into him. The end

In the movie, Gohan grabs him, but Beerus escapes, grabs him back then bashes him against Buu, and afterwards kicks him away. Not only their tv show encounter somehow was even shorter, it was the only one that got shorter compared to the BoGs battle, and the Super version makes it look like Beerus was playing around with him while knocking him out, unlike the BoGs version, where at least he did a real attack too.

I think in Super they were kind of going for a joke though, considering the build up and then his very quick defeat. But, still, like mentioned above, it's the only "battle" that got even shorter than in the movie.

The growth might actually be consistent. Outside of getting mad when Trunks died, Vegeta didn't grow all that much in the Cell Saga. He just wanted to fight. The getting mad thing was like a 5 sec reaction.

On second thought, I don't think there was much regression from saga to saga.
Well, by the end of the Cell Saga Vegeta was talking about not fighting anymore. Although then it gets completely forgotten by the time he appears in the Buu Saga two chapters later.
 
The most hilarious thing about the whole Gohan getting destroyed is that it's literally only been a few months since the threat of Buu ended.

Are we really supposed to believe that his power [which far surpassed SSJ3] has been downgraded into joke status within the span of the few months no training?

Beerus is on a whole nother level. No one in their current state comes close to his power. Not Gotenks. Not Goku. Not Gohan.
 
So why does Toriyama hate Gohan?

He was supposed to be the strongest in the universe. The fuck man.

I kinda wish Goten will be utilized more and maybe if Super runs a bit longer he will grow teen stage and be a real "partner in crime" with Trunks. Pan will grow up too and probably will be a fighter so there is that. Gohan jsut needs somekind of proper sentoff which will make him realize he isnt a real fighter...so he just retires for good and forever...
 
Yeah, they're definitely building him as a family man. And wanting to avoid a fight could be a sign of maturity. It's just a bit much. Especially the freezing out of fear.

Once the fight was inevitable, he should've kicked into "1 minute drill vs Kid Buu I'm dead anyway mode". That's what people want to see anyway.
Isn't that what pretty much happens in BoG?
 
The new Gohan hair is vomit inducing, what the hell was Toryama thinking? And just to be clear, Goku aside, Vegeta is by far the strongest post Buu. Saiyans get stronger after every fight and he was holding Buu the best he could while Goku charged the Genki Dama, also, he never stopped training.

People expecting good moments from Gohan are just delusional, considering the fact that he just doesn't give a fuck about training.
 
Hm, I can see your points, even I don't necessarily agree with parts of it.


As for the Frieza thing, the manga was definitely originally meant to end after that right? Maybe that's why so many things had a finality about it. Cause yeah, Vegeta went backwards after that whole thing.

Definitely originally my ass you mean.

He never intended to end it at Frieza.

He just wanted Trunks' timeline to be the main one. With Goku possibly dead on namek instead of random heart disease.

He improvised the whole Cell saga as a result.

But he had no intention to stop he said he was not pressured into continuing the manga and stopped when he felt it should stop.
 
The new Gohan hair is vomit inducing, what the hell was Toryama thinking? And just to be clear, Goku aside, Vegeta is by far the strongest post Buu. Saiyans get stronger after every fight and he was holding Buu the best he could while Goku charged the Genki Dama, also, he never stopped training.

People expecting good moments from Gohan are just delusional, considering the fact that he just doesn't give a fuck about training.

Well, Gohan was above SSJ3 level in the Buu Saga, it's kind of odd that Vegeta would suddenly surpass that without any build up, even before the god power ups. But, yes, either way, it's happening.

The current view that SSJ2 and SSJ3 were false evolutions in the first place, just like the forms that Vegeta and Trunks learned in the RoSaT during the Cell Saga, likely means that Gohan's and Gotenks' powers were significantly lower than previously thought. Still, I think people wouldn't complain as much if they actually gave any focus to all that, rather than just going "Of course Vegeta is stronger than Gohan!" like it were supposed to be obvious.

Still, I talked about this before - but I think the SSJ form that Gohan has in Revival F was supposed to be seen as a power up to him, on top of his current weakened Ultimate power, rather than meaning that he regressed even further since BoGs. "Base" Gohan in RoF is considered much stronger than anyone else aside from Goku and Vegeta, which really only makes sense from that point of view. I guess the Super version of the story should make that clear either way though.
 
Well, Gohan was above SSJ3 level in the Buu Saga, it's kind of odd that Vegeta would suddenly surpass that without any build up, even before the god power ups. But, yes, either way, it's happening.

The current view that SSJ2 and SSJ3 were false evolutions in the first place, just like the forms that Vegeta and Trunks learned in the RoSaT during the Cell Saga, likely means that Gohan's and Gotenks' powers were significantly lower than previously thought. Still, I think people wouldn't complain as much if they actually gave any focus to all that, rather than just going "Of course Vegeta is stronger than Gohan!" like it were supposed to be obvious.

Still, I talked about this before - but I think the SSJ form that Gohan has in Revival F was supposed to be seen as a power up to him, on top of his current weakened Ultimate power, rather than meaning that he regressed even further since BoGs. "Base" Gohan in RoF is considered much stronger than anyone else aside from Goku and Vegeta, which really only makes sense from that point of view. I guess the Super version of the story should make that clear either way though.

It is showed several times that Gohan not training has devastating results.

Also, the heroes only get ahead after noticing a power level.

Goku thought he was the strongest before fighting Raditz. He was shown another realm of power.

Same for ssj and how everybody got it cause they knew about it.

Same for ssj2. ( which truly is just a fully powered ssj1 or was until recent retcon )

Why not ssj3 ? cause it s an unnatural transformation that Goku could only create with an undead body. Everytime he used it in the manga, it backfired hard. Alive, ssj3 is worthless. Or just for a one time attack like against Hildegarn.

So on one hand Gohan does nothing to maintain power.

While Vegeta knew what goal to aim for.

And dont forget he couldnt even move before being fully angered.
 
Well, Gohan was above SSJ3 level in the Buu Saga, it's kind of odd that Vegeta would suddenly surpass that without any build up, even before the god power ups. But, yes, either way, it's happening.

The current view that SSJ2 and SSJ3 were false evolutions in the first place, just like the forms that Vegeta and Trunks learned in the RoSaT during the Cell Saga, likely means that Gohan's and Gotenks' powers were significantly lower than previously thought. Still, I think people wouldn't complain as much if they actually gave any focus to all that, rather than just going "Of course Vegeta is stronger than Gohan!" like it were supposed to be obvious.

Still, I talked about this before - but I think the SSJ form that Gohan has in Revival F was supposed to be seen as a power up to him, on top of his current weakened Ultimate power, rather than meaning that he regressed even further since BoGs. "Base" Gohan in RoF is considered much stronger than anyone else aside from Goku and Vegeta, which really only makes sense from that point of view. I guess the Super version of the story should make that clear either way though.

But we can make that conclusion with facts provided by the story alone, Vegeta never stopped training so it's silly to think he is not stronger than Gohan. As of now the only ass pull we had in terms of power was the ''Mystic'' Gohan bullshit, that aside, you had to train your ass off to get stronger.

Gohan was the strongest when he fought Buu, there's no denying in that, but today? Considering he is not training, no, he is not stronger than Vegeta. The punches he will throw at Beerus next chapter proves that. It's not like Bulma getting hit made him more powerfull, it just triggered his full potential after years of constant training post Buu.
 
Several people like Sonic 2006, it doesn't mean anything.
If enough people like something, then it need not be cancelled.
I say the show should get cancelled because theres very, very little redeeming qualities here.
To you. Perhaps you need to separate your opinion from making a stance about whether or not other people should get to watch the show. Its not whether I want to watch it or not. Its obvious that if this wasnt a sequel to Dragon Ball we wouldnt even be having this discussion.
This doesn't make sense. Obviously if this was some sort of brand new show, it would be told entirely differently.

Youre saying "don't take it so seriously, this is for the fans, etc" and that's the problem, professionals shouldn't be expected to mail it in nor fans should be OK with one of their favorite IPs being given a subpar product, and this is definitely it.
Sorry, but I don't think it's subpar. It has some problems, but it's not as bad as your posts would make it seem to be.
If your only defense is that the two new characters are "great" and that you think its funny ... well that's really redefining the term "great". What kind of arc have they gone through? What interesting quality do they have that makes them stand out? King Piccolo was interesting, Master Roshi, Cell, Trunks ... those are interesting, layered characters, not what we have been shown so far of Beerus and Whis.
Perhaps we can watch the show and find out! But we haven't even seen these characters take anything seriously yet. And it this point in the series, it's not easy to introduce new, likable characters.
Me stating production mistakes, like what happened with 18, is only the tip of the iceberg with the problems I have with this show, and that's been stated already. On that particular case its easier to think that the quality control for this show doesn't give a fuck than to think an animator has complete freedom over how to animate a character, which would be pretty damn strange for a Japanese company, even Toei.

Youre obviously annoyed that I'm being negative about this show, but this isnt a fanboy thread, this is for people who are watching the show and talk about what they think. A negative view has as much value as a positive one, and if the show gets better I will be all for it! I dont want this show to be a retreat of the 90's. I think goofy DB is fine (I like original DB better anyways) but outside of Vegeta cooking octopus there hasn't even been much to brag about in that department.
There's a fine difference between a negative opinion and arguing the show should be cancelled. One is an opinion, the other comment is just being a dick. But if it's something that bad, I'd be out. I wouldn't bother.


When did I say I wasnt gonna keep watching? Its not like its a big effort on my part. However, if it went away, I wouldn't miss it. I think the movie angle is working well for this IP right now.

This show has all the qualities a shitty, soon to be cancelled show, has. Only thing saving it is the IP. That was the point of my comment.
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It is showed several times that Gohan not training has devastating results.

But we can make that conclusion with facts provided by the story alone, Vegeta never stopped training so it's silly to think he is not stronger than Gohan. As of now the only ass pull we had in terms of power was the ''Mystic'' Gohan bullshit, that aside, you had to train your ass off to get stronger.

Gohan was the strongest when he fought Buu, there's no denying in that, but today? Considering he is not training, no, he is not stronger than Vegeta. The punches he will throw at Beerus next chapter proves that. It's not like Bulma getting hit made him more powerfull, it just triggered his full potential after years of constant training post Buu.

Compare the current situation to the Buu Saga. Gohan stopped training for 7 years, and yet both Vegeta and Goku are only stronger than a weakened SSJ2 Gohan with their own SSJ2 forms.

This time, you've got Gohan not training from one to four years, and then Vegeta suddenly shooting up to above Ultimate Gohan, who was considered above SSJ3 level, without even getting a new form of his own. It just wasn't handled well.

Of course, the retcon that SSJ2 and SSJ3 were much smaller boosts than previously thought in the first place helps explaining that, but that only has been mentioned in an interview so far.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/saikyo-jump-june-2014-issue-twel-buu-mysteries/

Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.
 
Compare the current situation to the Buu Saga. Gohan stopped training for 7 years, and yet both Vegeta and Goku are only stronger than a weakened SSJ2 Gohan with their own SSJ2 forms.[/url]

Whre did you get this from? Majin SSJ2 Vegeta was levels above SSJ2 Gohan considering his awful performance against Dabura and don't forget Goku hiding his SSJ3 transformation.

Mystic Gohan was the definition of ass pull and that's another debate.
 
Whre did you get this from? Majin SSJ2 Vegeta was levels above SSJ2 Gohan considering his awful performance against Dabura and don't forget Goku hiding his SSJ3 transformation.

Mystic Gohan was the definition of ass pull and that's another debate.

What? I don't get how what you're saying is supposed to disagree with what I posted. Majin Vegeta SSJ2 was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan. And, obviously, SSJ3 Goku was above SSJ2 Gohan. But, yet, you didn't get SSJ Vegeta being stronger than the weakened SSJ2 Gohan, which is pretty much what's happening now, with SSJ2 Vegeta being stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

Also, at least there the characters in the Buu Saga openly talked about how they were stronger than even Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan, while this time Ultimate Gohan seems to be completely ignored as a measure of power.
 
People seem to forget that Beerus is a god....

Seriously. I liked the episode and I have no idea what any of you are expecting from Gohan or anyone. It doesn't matter how strong any of them are, Beerus is a god, if any of them lands a hit on him is because he lets them. Not even SSG Goku beat him in the movie.

I find it funny how Gohan got rekt and how 3 people at the same time couldn't land a single hit on Beerus. He did a good amount of damage to those 3 without even touching them. Pacing seems fine to me, I like that we get to see more of the side characters. They did blue ball us really hard with that Vegeta transformation. Gotta wait until next episode to see what happens. I really like how evil Beerus is now.
 
What? I don't get how what you're saying is supposed to disagree with what I posted. Majin Vegeta SSJ2 was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan. And, obviously, SSJ3 Goku was above SSJ2 Gohan. But, yet, you didn't get SSJ Vegeta being stronger than the weakened SSJ2 Gohan, which is pretty much what's happening now, with SSJ2 Vegeta being stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

Also, at least there the characters in the Buu Saga openly talked about how they were stronger than even Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan, while this time Ultimate Gohan seems to be completely ignored as a measure of power.

My point is, Vegeta and Goku were stronger than Gohan until he got the Mystic asspull from Toryama. They were well trained while Gohan was not giving a fuck and was happy playing super hero. That's why it's no wrong to say Vegeta is stronger than him in BoG/Super, you don't train you get behind, period.
 
As for the Frieza thing, the manga was definitely originally meant to end after that right? Maybe that's why so many things had a finality about it.
Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope

As of now the only ass pull we had in terms of power was the ''Mystic'' Gohan bullshit, that aside, you had to train your ass off to get stronger.
Or you could drink magic water, or have an old guy put his hand on your head, or survive nearly dying if you're a saiyan, or permanently absorb other people if you're a Namekian.

Series is loaded with power spikes that come out of absolutely nowhere. Gohan's is just the point where it stops taking them seriously.
 
Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope


Or you could drink magic water, or have an old guy put his hand on your head, or survive nearly dying if you're a saiyan, or permanently absorb other people if you're a Namekian.

Series is loaded with power spikes that come out of absolutely nowhere. Gohan's is just the point where it stops taking them seriously.

Agreed. I cut Piccolo and Goku some slack because they always worked hard. Now Gohan? GTFO with that plot device weakass asspull.
 
The most hilarious thing about the whole Gohan getting destroyed is that it's literally only been a few months since the threat of Buu ended.

Are we really supposed to believe that his power [which far surpassed SSJ3] has been downgraded into joke status within the span of the few months no training?

The point of Gohan getting swatted away isn't that he's weak, it's that Beerus is exponentially stronger. SSJ3 Goku was knocked unconscious with two hits, so it's not being past that power means much relative to Beerus.

(Gohan probably HAS gotten weaker anyway, since he doesn't train in peace time, but the way Piccolo reacts when Beerus bats him kind of indicates that Gohan is still the strongest one among that group.)
 
You forgot that vegeta himself said that gohan ss2 during the cell game was much stronger than gohan ss2 during the fight with darbula



Also,i thought between the buu arc's end and bog there was just a 6 months gap, am i wrong?
 
Beerus is a God. He flicked his finger at SSJ3 Goku and tapped his shoulder and knocked him out cold.

After seeing that in the movie/show how could anyone be upset at no one else being able to do anything against him? Until Vegeta, and all Vegeta can really do is punch him / land a punch. He does absolutely no damage though.

I wonder who Whis is myself. Is he " God " ?

He is Beerus's mentor / trainer. But doesn't seem all that interested in actual destruction. So doesn't seem to be a former God of Destruction.
 
Also,i thought between the buu arc's end and bog there was just a 6 months gap, am i wrong?

That was reported by some magazines, but they also said that Gohan and Videl would still marry, which is obviously wrong. In the actual show, the first episode says that it takes place "sometime after" the 6 months.

There were some DBZ filler episodes that took place immediately after the 6 months and a scene from them is used in the recap in the beginning of Super.
 
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