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Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later

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IAmRandom31 said:
Beerus is a God. He flicked his finger at SSJ3 Goku and tapped his shoulder and knocked him out cold.

After seeing that in the movie/show how could anyone be upset at no one else being able to do anything against him? Until Vegeta, and all Vegeta can really do is punch him / land a punch. He does absolutely no damage though.

I wonder who Whis is myself. Is he " God " ?

He is Beerus's mentor / trainer. But doesn't seem all that interested in actual destruction. So doesn't seem to be a former God of Destruction.
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Whis is even more interesting than Beerus already is, cause if Whis is Beerus' mentor he has or atleast had to be really strong. He seems like the only entity capable of controlling Beerus (as well as female Whis from the other universe I guess) Somehow there must be a race across all universes like Whis and I guess above them there is one ruler for all universes or something
or in the end it was just Gohans imagination
 
Dagobert Duck said:
Whis is even more interesting than Beerus already is, cause if Whis is Beerus' mentor he has or atleast had to be really strong. He seems like the only entity capable of controlling Beerus (as well as female Whis from the other universe I guess) Somehow there must be a race across all universes like Whis and I guess above them there is one ruler for all universes or something
or in the end it was just Gohans imagination
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I believe Toriyama stated that SSG Goku is a 6, Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15 on like a cosmic scale I guess.

Which means, Whis is not only stronger then Beerus but by a LARGE margin

I'm thinking if SSGSS may be an 8 or something. So Goku needs to learn to become an Ascended SSGSS and then SSGSS2 will go to Vegeta and he will defeat Beerus finally.

But yeah Whis is the most interesting character to me. I think he is God.
 
We all know what's gonna happen at the end. Goku is gonna fight the strongest God and win. Becoming the strongest there is.
 
IAmRandom31 said:
I believe Toriyama stated that SSG Goku is a 6, Beerus a 10 and Whis a 15 on like a cosmic scale I guess.

Which means, Whis is not only stronger then Beerus but by a LARGE margin

I'm thinking if SSGSS may be an 8 or something. So Goku needs to learn to become an Ascended SSGSS and then SSGSS2 will go to Vegeta and he will defeat Beerus finally.

But yeah Whis is the most interesting character to me. I think he is God.
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But God in which sense? God of this universe I guess. Maybe Beerus is more like Piccolo and Whis "God" but I bet there will be above all universes, someone ruling over all Universes
 
Dagobert Duck said:
But God in which sense? God of this universe I guess. Maybe Beerus is more like Piccolo and Whis "God" but I bet there will be above all universes, someone ruling over all Universes
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right, meant the overall top dog " God of Creation " of this universe. What is it, the 6th? Something like that. But yeh no doubt, just like the Ki's there are probably " God of Destruction / Creation " in all the other universes and there begins a war between them and then there is a " supreme Ki " equivalent to those Gods being God himself. Creator of Universes.

thats my guess lol. But most def. Whis seems to be the " God " of this universe.
 
Every unvierse has a god, whis. But what about the multiverse God? god of gods? Ssgogssjgssjc4?
Super saiyan god of gods super sayan Jin god super sayan Jesus Christ 4 Vegeto confirmed?!
 
Dagobert Duck said:
Whis is even more interesting than Beerus already is, cause if Whis is Beerus' mentor he has or atleast had to be really strong. He seems like the only entity capable of controlling Beerus (as well as female Whis from the other universe I guess) Somehow there must be a race across all universes like Whis and I guess above them there is one ruler for all universes or something
or in the end it was just Gohans imagination
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Servbot24 said:
There will always be someone stronger.

I absolutely want to see Goku take down a couple gods though. :)
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Well,Goku was the strongest at the end of Dragonball/Z/GT. Would make sense for him to beat whoever is stronger in the last few episodes of Super and become the strongest of them all. It's just how it always has been.

Also: if they keep this up Gohan is gonna get wrecked by Yamcha.
 
RoF Spoilers concerning Whis:
Ignoring his clear raw power, the fact that he can bend space time shows how different level he is.
 
So... A lot of this thread is people having hazy 15 year old memories of Dragon Ball Z with absolutely no additional research and screaming LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU when corrected, outright ignoring things we're told in Super ("Why is Gohan such a wimp" when Goku fared absolutely no better), and timeline debates because we're not told EXACTLY when Super takes place?

Man, I'm not sure if this is fascinating or if I just wanna slam my head into the table..
 
NeonZ said:
That was reported by some magazines, but they also said that Gohan and Videl would still marry, which is obviously wrong. In the actual show, the first episode says that it takes place "sometime after" the 6 months.
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Gohan and Videl have gotten married in the time Super takes place, it just happened off-screen. They weren't yet married in episode one while they are by the time of Bulma's party. Dragon Ball seems fond of "btw we're married now". XD

Russ T said:
yo this is dragon ball its important ok
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But if it's really that important, why are people willingly ignoring details for the stuff they're arguing about? D:
 
Bikkun said:
Gohan and Videl have gotten married in the time Super takes place, it just happened off-screen. They weren't yet married in episode one while they are by the time of Bulma's party. Dragon Ball seems fond of "btw we're married now". XD
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The Dragon Team subs for episode 1 make it sound like they already got married before Super began.
 
Bikkun said:
Gohan and Videl have gotten married in the time Super takes place, it just happened off-screen. They weren't yet married in episode one while they are by the time of Bulma's party. Dragon Ball seems fond of "btw we're married now". XD
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Nah. Goten tells Trunks and Gohan and Videl had already married in episode 1 when they talk about finding a gift, so it happens before Super.
 
Raging Spaniard said:
You dont know how shows are made, right? You think an animator can just animate a character doing whatever the fuck they want? Before an animator even touches a page te entire episode was scripted, approved by the creative leadership, storyboarded AND voice acted.

If you dont think this show is terrible I would love to hear a compelling argument of why it isnt.
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Because it brings back some of the OG Dragonball charm, much moreso than Z, and DB holds up better than DBZ by a fair margin.

A lot of your complaints can apply to Z as well if we're being serious for a moment. Nonetheless, the show literally just premiered. Give it time. I've seen shows with worst starts turn into something quite good/great after a little while.

I suspect your problem is you thought the tone was going to be more serious like Z's from the outset. The show'll get more serious once Freiza shows up, or maybe before then who knows.
 
NeonZ said:
Nah. Goten tells Trunks and Gohan and Videl had already married in episode 1 when they talk about finding a gift, so it happens before Super.
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Oh, really? .. I think I only watched ep 1 the once, raw, actually. XD Maybe I misheard it. My bad.
 
Servbot24 said:
There will always be someone stronger.

I absolutely want to see Goku take down a couple gods though. :)
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I think that'd be terrible.

Having a limit on the dude's physical capability and potential is better since he'd eventually have to solve certain battles using more creative means rather than simply powering up.
 
kinggroin said:
I think that'd be terrible.

Having a limit on the dude's physical capability and potential is better since he'd eventually have to solve certain battles using more creative means rather than simply powering up.
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He might take the gods down with creative strategies for all we know, which is nothing.
 
Whis seems to be like a Tom Bombadil of the Dragon Ball universe.

I still think both him and Beerus are the most interesting new characters since Future Trunks, in the way they grab attention.
 
Syntsui said:
He might take the gods down with creative strategies for all we know, which is nothing.
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True.

Not a fan of the ability to do it at all however. It diminishes what "God" means, power wise.

Like, lift enough weights and eat your vitamins to become a god. Gtfo.
 
IAmRandom31 said:
right, meant the overall top dog " God of Creation " of this universe. What is it, the 6th? Something like that. But yeh no doubt, just like the Ki's there are probably " God of Destruction / Creation " in all the other universes and there begins a war between them and then there is a " supreme Ki " equivalent to those Gods being God himself. Creator of Universes.

thats my guess lol. But most def. Whis seems to be the " God " of this universe.
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Don't they say in one of the eps that the Supreme Kais are the gods of creation in the universe? They're Beerus' opposite, not Whis.
 
kinggroin said:
See? And this just makes it worse.


My fault though for expecting any logic from Toriyama and the DB universe
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The idea is that the gods of creation have special abilities related to creating planets and such, while the gods of destruction have higher combat power since their role is destruction.
 
Given that Beerus has a counterpart of the same race in Universe 6, I'm going to guess:

Beerus' race are the gods of destruction
The Kais are the gods of creation (and life in general, given that they seem to largely live in the afterlife).
Whis' race is probably some sort of neutral force that makes sure that the gods don't step out of line. (The Kais don't need controlling, which is why Whis spends his time making sure Beerus is cheerful enough to not actually destroy the universe.)

I'd write it that way mostly so the ultimate supreme big bad could be the leader or a renegade of Whis' people, and Goku has to unite the Gods to take him/her down. I can't see Goku fighting Whis or Beerus and winning. It'd feel kinda cheap and pointless given they are not really villains.
 
Huw_Dawson said:
Given that Beerus has a counterpart of the same race in Universe 6, I'm going to guess:

Beerus' race are the gods of destruction
The Kais are the gods of creation (and life in general, given that they seem to largely live in the afterlife).
Whis' race is probably some sort of neutral force that makes sure that the gods don't step out of line. (The Kais don't need controlling, which is why Whis spends his time making sure Beerus is cheerful enough to not actually destroy the universe.)

I'd write it that way mostly so the ultimate supreme big bad could be the leader or a renegade of Whis' people, and Goku has to unite the Gods to take him/her down. I can't see Goku fighting Whis or Beerus and winning. It'd feel kinda cheap and pointless given they are not really villains.
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It bothers me how the Kais are scared shitless of Beerus, how can they be opposite sides of the same coin when one of them is absurdly more powerful?
 
Bikkun said:
Gohan and Videl have gotten married in the time Super takes place, it just happened off-screen. They weren't yet married in episode one while they are by the time of Bulma's party. Dragon Ball seems fond of "btw we're married now". XD
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Not just in the married part, also the "btw, we have a child now" or "btw, we are in a relationship now" sense.
Toriyama clearly has no clue how to properly set up anything concerning romantically or relationshipwise for any of the characters on this show.

kinggroin said:
True.

Not a fan of the ability to do it at all however. It diminishes what "God" means, power wise.

Like, lift enough weights and eat your vitamins to become a god. Gtfo.
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That concept has been diminshed ever since the original DB, as Kami was supposed to be God back then. Now hes merged into Piccollo and Dende,
who was a little kid on another planet back in the Frieza saga, fulfills that role now.
 
-MB- said:
Not just in the married part, also the "btw, we have a child now" or "btw, we are in a relationship now" sense.
Toriyama clearly has no clue how to properly set up anything concerning romantically or relationshipwise for any of the characters on this show.



That concept has been diminshed ever since the original DB, as Kami was supposed to be God back then. Now hes merged into Piccollo and Dende,
who was a little kid on another planet back in the Frieza saga, fulfills that role now.
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Videl and Gohan were probably his best attempts though.
 
Huw_Dawson said:
Given that Beerus has a counterpart of the same race in Universe 6, I'm going to guess:

Beerus' race are the gods of destruction
The Kais are the gods of creation (and life in general, given that they seem to largely live in the afterlife).
Whis' race is probably some sort of neutral force that makes sure that the gods don't step out of line. (The Kais don't need controlling, which is why Whis spends his time making sure Beerus is cheerful enough to not actually destroy the universe.)

I'd write it that way mostly so the ultimate supreme big bad could be the leader or a renegade of Whis' people, and Goku has to unite the Gods to take him/her down. I can't see Goku fighting Whis or Beerus and winning. It'd feel kinda cheap and pointless given they are not really villains.
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This might be they way how these gods operate.
 
INST said:
Yeah, Goku/ChiChi and Vegeta/Bulma is just bullshit and doesn't make sense. I actually like Videl and Gohan.
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It in ranking, it would be Videl/Gohan, Goku/Chichi, then Vegeta/Bulma. I still don't know what Bulma sees in Vegeta and I need to rewatch the end of dragonball to see what Gokus deal was with Chichi.
 
NCR Redslayer said:
It in ranking, it would be Videl/Gohan, Goku/Chichi, then Vegeta/Bulma. I still don't know what Bulma sees in Vegeta and I need to rewatch the end of dragonball to see what Gokus deal was with Chichi.
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Goku told Chichi he would marry her (they were kids at that point). He thought it was some kind of food. Skip to the World Tournament, both older now and Chichi is pissed that he didn't kept his promise (he forgot). And then out of the blue he kinda says will you marry me. Something like that.
 
NCR Redslayer said:
It in ranking, it would be Videl/Gohan, Goku/Chichi, then Vegeta/Bulma. I still don't know what Bulma sees in Vegeta and I need to rewatch the end of dragonball to see what Gokus deal was with Chichi.
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Bulma is a strong woman who would not like a soft man. And because she's used to being around freakishly strong people, she's not going to settle for someone with a puny power level.

Chances are, Vegeta is pretty normal in one on one interactions when he's not training. But when he's training or in front of others, he's not going to appear weak.
 
Did anyone notice that Vegeta blasted that giant octopus with his Galick Gun? At least it was the same color though it was the final flash motion.

mmm Garlic Octopus.
 
The SS2 sparks looked terrible during the transformation scene, but I have to say I really liked the music during it. I don't usually care for the non-Faulconer soundtrack but this was really good.
 
jaxapollo said:
I hate how Gohan forgot how to turn SSJ
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As people said, he is Mystic Gohan and the old Kai time him he didn't need to bother going SSJ anymore.

Also, I think they did the one hit thing with Gohan just to illustrate how far ahead of them Beerus is. You can tell by Piccolo's reaction to it that Gohan is still the strongest or at least at the top of the bunch of them. Maybe Beerus figured he can play with the others, but needed Gohan out of the picture since he would pose the biggest (even if still insignificant) threat to him.
 
T-Rex. said:
The SS2 sparks looked terrible during the transformation scene, but I have to say I really liked the music during it. I don't usually care for the non-Faulconer soundtrack but this was really good.
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yeah, as someone who has never been into Z's Japanese soundtrack for the most part, there's a few tracks in Super that I'm liking so far.
 
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