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Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later

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INST said:
So, it takes Whis 28 minutes to travel to earth from his own planet and 3 minutes from King Kai's planet. Goku is technically the fastest in the universe, right?
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Depends if you count Instant Transmission as "speed" because technically its not or at least its not the same. All dub errors/mistranslations aside, Instant Transmission is just that, instant. Teleportation.

If we were to count IT, then it's probably Supreme Kai. He also has his version of Teleportation except he doesn't have the Ki lock-on limitation like Goku has, he can go anywhere he wants.
 
TheRealTalker said:
Goku befriends and cares for Vegeta

Visits the afterlife on multiple occasions
Doesn't bother to check out his adoptive family Grandfather, his brother and to see what happened to his biological parents


Goku... what the **** man
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I don't know why he never went to meet his gramps (technically there's nothing saying he didn't) but I highly doubt Goku's biological family were allowed to keep their bodies in the afterlife.
 
Tizoc said:
Why does she look like that girl from Dragon Quest 5? Toriyama pls.
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Blobbers said:
She looks like Toriyama copy-pasted Bianca from Dragon Quest 5 and gave her different clothes and name.
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NeonZ said:
That IS the Bianca art photoshopped. It's not actual Toriyama art. It's a fake edit meant to look like an adult Tights in RoF (see RoF Kuriri bellow her), she doesn't look like that in Jaco, and doesn't appear in RoF either.

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Tizoc said:
Why does she look like that girl from Dragon Quest 5? Toriyama pls.

Tights appeared in the Jaco manga, it's already available in English.
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;_;

Someone else already pointed out that this is literally someone editing the girl from DQ5. I don't think Tights ever appears that old in anything. EDIT: Beaten because I didn't check the new page.

I actually just read the Jaco manga last night. It wasn't bad! I hope he comes back at some point, I'd love to see him interacting with the crew on a regular basis.

Tizoc said:
Wait who is that xenomorph skull person?
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That was an enemy in the original Dragon Ball at some point, I think? I wanna say it was a robot thing protecting some pirate treasure real early on during the first search for the dragon balls.
 
Russ T said:
;_;

Someone else already pointed out that this is literally someone editing the girl from DQ5. I don't think Tights ever appears that old in anything. EDIT: Beaten because I didn't check the new page.

I actually just read the Jaco manga last night. It wasn't bad! I hope he comes back at some point, I'd love to see him interacting with the crew on a regular basis.



That was an enemy in the original Dragon Ball at some point, I think? I wanna say it was a robot thing protecting some pirate treasure real early on during the first search for the dragon balls.
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Almost correct, it was during the second search. Chapter 75
 
Melfice7 said:
Goku used instant transmission on Trunks timeline to kill Frieza (and was about to do it again on main timeline until he sensed Trunks) Trunks doesn't know about it, he only knows the time the capsule arrived which was 2 or 3 hours later
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where was that from? Honest question. I only read the manga for DBZ material, and Trunks speculated that he has changed the course of history right after he learnt that Goku knows instant transmission, which really seems to suggest that Goku doesn't know the move on Trunks' timeline.
 
ArtHands said:
where was that from? Honest question. I only read the manga for DBZ material, and Trunks speculated that he has changed the course of history right after he learnt that Goku knows instant transmission, which really seems to suggest that Goku doesn't know the move on Trunks' timeline.
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The implication I got was that if Trunks hadn't been there, Goku would've teleported to help, but because Trunks was there, he let things play out.

It's never explicitly stated either way, obviously, but I feel like that's a pretty safe assumption to make.
 
Scarecrow said:
Should I watch Battle of the Gods before, during or after this series is done?
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I'd go with after the Bills arch, since you already havn't watched it. That way the "it happened ____ way in the movie" aspect won't throw you off and things in the show will still come as surprises to you.

Having watched both movies, a lot of the show is repetitive and slow in comparison. So show first, movie later is probably the way to spoil it least.
 
Just how much episodes of Super it's going to take till they cover everything from BoG? I'm honestly getting bored of Super because we already know what will happen next. I want brand new stuff :((
 
AdanVC said:
Just how much episodes of Super it's going to take till they cover everything from BoG? I'm honestly getting bored of Super because we already know what will happen next. I want brand new stuff :((
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Im assuming 12. So then, we get to the interesting part of the Z team in their down in like 4 episodes?
 
Scarecrow said:
Should I watch Battle of the Gods before, during or after this series is done?
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Watch Battle of Gods after the first 12 or so episodes of this series (whenever the first arc ends). Battle of Gods seems to be the superior version of the story told in these episodes. So, it's better to start with an inferior version and then go to the best (and shorter) one, rather than the other way around.
 
I agree. If we were to get SSJ3 Vegeta, it'd have been for that anger boost, but it didn't happen, so I don't think we'll ever see SSJ3 Vegeta in the anime at this point. I guess there's still a chance we'll get SSJG Vegeta though, rather than it happening off screen some time before RoF.

Edit: Maybe Champa will actually pop up for some battle between BoGs and RoF, rather than only in the universe 6 arc like people speculate?
 
Zalman said:
He should be able to do SSJ3 right now. This is four years after Buu. He was never this far behind Goku.
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He surpassed SSJ3 as a SSJ2 anyway, even if only for a moment. They didn't give him SSJ3 in Battle of Gods likely just because it's an outdated transformation at this point, and they just want to hype SSJ God. He didn't get SSJ3 in Super probably because they seem to be avoiding actually changing the plot of the movie, and just attempting to stretch it to fill the episodes.

Edit: The biggest change so far, the removal of drunk Gohan and the confront with Pillaf's crew, likely was just a matter of censorship, to avoid showing some characters drinking.
 
NeonZ said:
He surpassed SSJ3 as a SSJ2 anyway, even if only for a moment. They didn't give him SSJ3 in Battle of Gods likely just because it's an outdated transformation at this point, and they just want to hype SSJ God. He didn't get SSJ3 in Super probably because they seem to be avoiding actually changing the plot of the movie, and just attempting to stretch it to fill the episodes.

Edit: The biggest change so far, the removal of drunk Gohan and the confront with Pillaf's crew, likely was just a matter of censorship, to avoid showing some characters drinking.
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As has been said many times, SSJ2 and 3 aren't set power levels. They multiply power. He's can't "pass" SSJ3 as SSJ2.

And Vegeta went SSJ2 when it seemed irrelevant as well.
 
EightBitNate said:
As has been said many times, SSJ2 and 3 aren't set power levels. They multiply power. He's can't "pass" SSJ3 as SSJ2.

And Vegeta went SSJ2 when it seemed irrelevant as well.
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That's not really true. When Vegeta goes SSJ2 with the Majin mark, SSJ3 hadn't been revealed yet. So, he was seemingly on par with Goku, and both were the strongest main warriors, for a while.

Regarding SSJ2 vs SSJ3, we know that SSJ2 and SSJ3 eat energy and raise their user power level, but we don't really know if they really multiply it. The multiplication has only been confirmed for basic SSJ. The official word right now is that at some point a trained SSJ makes SSJ2 and SSJ3 wastes of energy. Either way, the point is that he surpassed SSJ3 Goku's power without using SSJ3, which is lining up with that new direction that they're taking these forms (treating them as false evolutions, like the form that Vegeta got out of his RoSaT training in the Cell Saga).
 
DiipuSurotu said:
He can because rage boost.

Fans need to stop using calculators and arithmetic to compare characters and transformations. Post-Scouter DBZ is not meant to have quantifiable power levels.
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but dragon ball logic tells me lots of power + rage = new super saiyan level

that's how it's always been

not a super mega powered version of the same form



obviously new dragon ball doesn't follow logic, but still :P
 
NeonZ said:
That's not really true. When Vegeta goes SSJ2 with the Majin mark, SSJ3 hadn't been revealed yet. So, he was seemingly on par with Goku, and both were the strongest main warriors, for a while.

Regarding SSJ2 vs SSJ3, we know that SSJ2 and SSJ3 eat energy and raise their user power level, but we don't really know if they really multiply it. The multiplication has only been confirmed for basic SSJ. The official word right now is that at some point a trained SSJ makes SSJ2 and SSJ3 wastes of energy. Either way, the point is that he surpassed SSJ3 Goku's power without using SSJ3, which is lining up with that new direction that they're taking these forms (treating them as false evolutions, like the form that Vegeta got out of his RoSaT training in the Cell Saga).
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And in the same way, SSG hasn't been revealed yet (in the show at least). It's the same scenario from the Buu saga. SSJ3 is the strongest saiyan form at this point.

This is the first time I've read that SSJ2/3 aren't multipliers. DB almost never has an official word on the technicalities of powers, but almost everywhere I've read seems to agree that they're multipliers. If Vegeta had gotten so mad and powerful, he would have basically gone to the next SSJ level. That's how a lot of transformations in the show take place.
 
EightBitNate said:
And in the same way, SSG hasn't been revealed yet (in the show at least). It's the same scenario from the Buu saga. SSJ3 is the strongest saiyan form at this point.
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They've been talking about SSJ God for a while though, and SSJ3 Goku was shown to be completely powerless before Beerus.

EightBitNate said:
This is the first time I've read that SSJ2/3 aren't multipliers. DB almost never has an official word on the technicalities of powers, but almost everywhere I've read seems to agree that they're multipliers. If Vegeta had gotten so mad and powerful, he would have basically gone to the next SSJ level. That's how a lot of transformations in the show take place.
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That was the usual speculation when SSJ2 and SSJ3 were obviously the real evolutions of SSJ, but according to Toriyama now, they aren't, and a trained SSJ eventually surpasses SSJ2 and SSJ3. So, SSJ2 and SSJ3 might not be multipliers otherwise that wouldn't work.
 
I always kinda thought that ssj"2" made most sense as a gohan specific thing anyway. Not that I wrote the show so what I think doesn't matter.
 
I just watched the new episode of Super. The Super Saiyan God transformation itself has been the one part of Super that easily surpasses the movie. This time it actually felt like a "divine" transformation different from any other one. They did an excellent job with its build up and soundtrack, although afterwards they played Goku's cheesy theme again, kind of hurting the presentation. Still, it was overall handled really well, and at a glance it can easily be accepted as a transformation in a completely different level from any other one, unlike in the movie. On the other hand, Sheng Long looked really small and his summoning animation was pretty stiff.

Also,
Videl goes SSJ during the ritual (kind of, she gets blond hair, and it's there even when the aura fades, but it doesn't spike), although it probably doesn't mean anything.
 
Ultra Numb said:
Depends if you count Instant Transmission as "speed" because technically its not or at least its not the same. All dub errors/mistranslations aside, Instant Transmission is just that, instant. Teleportation.

If we were to count IT, then it's probably Supreme Kai. He also has his version of Teleportation except he doesn't have the Ki lock-on limitation like Goku has, he can go anywhere he wants.
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The "gods" in the DBZ universe are so strange and inconsistent. Beerus, Whiis and the Supreme Kai can't teleport, but for some reason Kibito can. As well as healing people. You would think they would have more abilities than just being strong.
 
Oblivion said:
The "gods" in the DBZ universe are so strange and inconsistent. Beerus, Whiis and the Supreme Kai can't teleport, but for some reason Kibito can. As well as healing people. You would think they would have more abilities than just being strong.
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Well I mean Whis is the exception to that though since he can well, (ROF spoilers)
bend space and time
 
Anyone see episode 9 with english subs yet? Probably too early to ask, but since some already watched it above (could have been Japanese speakers).
 
StaticJam said:
Well I mean Whis is the exception to that though since he can well, (ROF spoilers)
bend space and time
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Yeah he does that have that badass ability at least.

But still, the gods seem pretty useless for the most part. Even the Old/Elder/whatever Kai's powerup for Gohan wasn't even cause of him but cause of the witch that he fused with.
 
hopefully she keeps that form, the transformation was ridiculous, felt like the second coming of jesus lol. i was expecting angels to come down and grant goku god ki.
 
SSJ Videl is actually pretty cool
And Gokus transformation scene had me thinking he was going to transform into Jesus or something
 
Russ T said:
The implication I got was that if Trunks hadn't been there, Goku would've teleported to help, but because Trunks was there, he let things play out.

It's never explicitly stated either way, obviously, but I feel like that's a pretty safe assumption to make.
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If goku teleported in trunks timeline,trunks wouldn't know the exact spot where goku's pod will land in goku's timeline...
 
regarding Raditz never coming back after being killed, wasn't that due to bad guy's souls getting all their memories erased and being cleaned to be reborn as new individuals like how it went with Kid Buu?

it was also the whole reason why Vegeta felt it was his end when he sacrificed himself to kill Fat Buu since it would mean his soul would get all his memory erased.

they even had to make up a reason why Freeza's soul was still around to revive him.

the anime having a filler Hell sure messed that up too.
 
Anth0ny said:
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maaaaaaaaaaaaan you tellin me videl can go super saiyan and vegeta can't go ssj3?



that's some bullshit dragon ball super
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Might not be a super saiyan. Her eyes didnt turn

Welfare said:
Goku teleported, not the pod. The pod would still travel on its own.
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It doesn't make sense that (in Trunks timeline) Bulma only tells Trunks where the pod will drop but not tell him that Goku will perform instant transmission to Earth and defeat Frieza (since by telling Trunks so, will have prevent Trunks from killing Frieza on Goku's behalf in Goku's timeline, to minimize the change in the timeline too much which may cause undesired consequences).

It'll make more sense that in Trunk's timeline, Frieza will have killed maybe several hundreds of people (while Z fighters fight him) before Goku shows up few hours late in his pod, defeat Frieza, and then they use the dragon balls few months later to resurrect the dead people. And Trunks interfered in Goku's timeline to save all these troubles, warn Goku about the androids and then leave.
 
Also I'm curious as to if the same composer behind ROF has also been doing Super. Someone at TOEI has a recent hard on for Gregorian chanting
 
EightBitNate said:
And in the same way, SSG hasn't been revealed yet (in the show at least). It's the same scenario from the Buu saga. SSJ3 is the strongest saiyan form at this point.

This is the first time I've read that SSJ2/3 aren't multipliers. DB almost never has an official word on the technicalities of powers, but almost everywhere I've read seems to agree that they're multipliers. If Vegeta had gotten so mad and powerful, he would have basically gone to the next SSJ level. That's how a lot of transformations in the show take place.
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Except Goku unlocked SSJ 2 and 3 through training, and Vegeta SSJ2 through training (he was already SSJ2 in the buu saga, he just didn't use it prior to battling goku as a majin).

Goten and Trunks seem to have unlocked SSJ through training, and SSJ3 as gotenks through training (skipping SSJ2 altogether). And if you consider Mystic a transformation, gohan got that through sitting on his ass while an old man did a voodoo dance.

The "anger leads to new transformation" period ended with the cell saga.
 
i so badly want a timeskip before universe 6 but I have a feeling it's definitely not happening (because I think champa is going to be involved in that, and he's already in the manga of this arc ehh). i just wanted to see pan up in super.
 
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