Pretty sure that's still the U.S version. It's still the Funimation dub anyways. They got rid of the rap for the DVDs and dubbed the intro to be more like the original one.
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Pretty sure that's still the U.S version. It's still the Funimation dub anyways. They got rid of the rap for the DVDs and dubbed the intro to be more like the original one.
NCR Redslayer
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Well i would fact check the wiki but im on mobile and too lazy to do that.
The Silver
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SSJ4 is great and the least arbitrary of all the transformations. It was a primal transformation, finally getting back to the roots of the saiyans being a bunch of monkey men.
I think SS4 is actually a decent design, but its implementation in GT as an excuse to have adult Goku in the show was lame. I don't really like that series but I get the point of having a kid Goku in the first arc to fit in the light-hearted adventures in space. After Baby, there was no point in the kid/adult transformation. Why didn't Vegeta get bigger and older with the transformation then?
NeonZ
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The excuse is that the transformation is strong enough to break the power of the Black Star Dragonballs... although it's a pretty bad excuse, since even SSJ1 Goku is stronger than Piccolo in GT, so there's no reason only SSJ4 would break their power.
That's what SSJ3 started. SSJ4 growing back eyebrows contradicts SSJ3 and is just stupid. Hope there'll be a new SSJ4 soon and they finally retcon GT.
Sinfamy
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I'm going to have to stop watching this for now. It's pretty bad. Definitely not the first one to complain about these issues, but here's why for me.
Voice acting is bad, especially King Kai, the tone in which he speaks doesn't match the scene.
Animation is bad. Watching DBZ again, an episode from 1989 looks phenomenal compared to this. Characters have shading and more dimensions, in Super skin has at most two tones and practically no shading.
Plot is a rehash. This is the first time the Anime and movie overlaps, why? Most DBZ movies have not been canon, why start now, and why not continue the Anime after it. Seems lazy. Also story is just not all that interesting, with God's now, it forces the story in such steep uphill way where no one other then Goku and maybe Vegeta will matter. They really shouldn't have done it this way, it leaves the entire cast to just be cheerleaders and constantly appear surprised about what's going on.
I missed the days when Piccolo mattered or when Gohan wasn't just comic relief.
There is also no sense of urgency when you have a good constantly threaten to blow up a planet and stopping every five minutes because another food related hijink or some pathetic human is saying something.
Like who cares if you're so powerful, why would you spare attention to anyone.
I was excited :c maybe when the English dub comes out which has always been better for DBZ I'll watch it again.
Voice acting is bad, especially King Kai, the tone in which he speaks doesn't match the scene.
Animation is bad. Watching DBZ again, an episode from 1989 looks phenomenal compared to this. Characters have shading and more dimensions, in Super skin has at most two tones and practically no shading.
Plot is a rehash. This is the first time the Anime and movie overlaps, why? Most DBZ movies have not been canon, why start now, and why not continue the Anime after it. Seems lazy. Also story is just not all that interesting, with God's now, it forces the story in such steep uphill way where no one other then Goku and maybe Vegeta will matter. They really shouldn't have done it this way, it leaves the entire cast to just be cheerleaders and constantly appear surprised about what's going on.
I missed the days when Piccolo mattered or when Gohan wasn't just comic relief.
There is also no sense of urgency when you have a good constantly threaten to blow up a planet and stopping every five minutes because another food related hijink or some pathetic human is saying something.
Like who cares if you're so powerful, why would you spare attention to anyone.
I was excited :c maybe when the English dub comes out which has always been better for DBZ I'll watch it again.
The Silver
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we've had gods involved since before Raditz arrived.
Host Samurai
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Not buying that until they venture into post Z. Otherwise GT can still exist.
Pilaf can find the Dragonballs and wish to accidentally get old
Goku can lose his God Ki
Just some lazy explanations that GT can technically exist. Like I said, for them to erase GT than they will have to venture into that time frame of post Z.
Honestly? I think they're going to remake GT after Super is done. It just feels like they're leading to that. It just seems like a natural progression at this point. They're filling in that long gap so they can redo it later. The big thing they've done in BoG and Super so far is this idea that 5 Super Saiyans transfer their power into one to create a God, so...that means Pan goes Super Saiyan at some point, yes? You've also got to answer how Vegeta gets God powers as well, and why Gohan, Trunks and Goten don't.
Also, the whole idea of God powers, Ki, energy, etc. could be the thing they use to say 'this is how SS4 happened' instead of the shit they shoved out with GT. Given the whole 'blue hair' thing, I hope they redesign SS4 at that point.
Goku has pretty much been the only character that mattered since halfway through Dragon Ball. After the Red Ribbon Army got introduced the most anyone else did was die, fall slower than him in a tournament and beat henchmen or stalled. More or less the same things that happened in DBZ in regards to everyone beating a henchmen/sub villain before Goku shows up. I think around the same amount of characters got a chance to do something, but it shifted from humans doing the less important fights to super saiyans halfway through DBZ so the visual got repetitive.
The new movies continued the tradition of everyone stalling for Goku and beating quickly introduced henchmen, so in a sense they're as faithful to Dragon Ball as ever.
You could always just come back when the movie adaptations finish.
KidA Seven
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It doesn't feel like that at all.
Provably false!!! Three tones!
Haha, just kidding. You're right that it's definitely subpar.
In general I like the art style, but the execution is so incredibly poor that it's just making me sadder and sadder with each episode.
Parallax Scroll
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NeonZ
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I'm pretty sure Super uses more three tone shading for skins (obviously, only in close ups) than Z did. Super also gives shading to black hair, something that was very rare in Z. Still, that doesn't make up for the weakness of Super's animation so far.
The whole selling point of Super is the whole "based on a new story by Akira Toriyama". They also didn't even bother reanimating Z, so I don't see GT getting that treatment.
The whole selling point of Super is the whole "based on a new story by Akira Toriyama". They also didn't even bother reanimating Z, so I don't see GT getting that treatment.
Can you stop talking about how Super sucks compared to Z ?
Like can you just stop ? What's the point ?
They air unfinished episodes. Of course it's going to suck.
Wait for finished bluray version THEN complain.
They are doing this with all their animes now. It sucks, hard, but we can only judge it after they release the final episodes.
You are not paying for anything, you are watching this illegally, you have virtually no right to complain. What will be aired in US and Europe is most likely going to be finished episodes.
They also remade Saint Seiya, that had horrific animation. Dragon Ball super won't be any different. You can even see in episode 5 which drawings are corrected (and they look great).
Relax. Also, the drawings we had in episode 10 were above 95% of all DBZ and DB episodes. Just saying.
Like can you just stop ? What's the point ?
They air unfinished episodes. Of course it's going to suck.
Wait for finished bluray version THEN complain.
They are doing this with all their animes now. It sucks, hard, but we can only judge it after they release the final episodes.
You are not paying for anything, you are watching this illegally, you have virtually no right to complain. What will be aired in US and Europe is most likely going to be finished episodes.
They also remade Saint Seiya, that had horrific animation. Dragon Ball super won't be any different. You can even see in episode 5 which drawings are corrected (and they look great).
Relax. Also, the drawings we had in episode 10 were above 95% of all DBZ and DB episodes. Just saying.
You've answered your own question! Change doesn't happen from remaining complicit. Just because something is shitty today doesn't mean it has to be shitty tomorrow.
I mean, yeah, obviously Toei isn't reading GAF for criticism of their products, but that doesn't suddenly make it an invalid topic of discussion.
It's non valid because you are directly judging the anime's quality based off their TV broadcast in Japan.
Except that Toei airs unfinished episodes. Making any judgement on the quality impossible.
This is how japanimation works :
The small hands do most of the drawings in a very short time, then the key animators and the more trained drawing artists fix the chara design and key frames.
Depending on the team and budget of one episode, the small hands are better / the key animators have more time.
What never changes is that they still air the episodes before they are completed, whether they are almost done (episode 10) or 20% done (episode 5) .
I am not excusing Dragon Ball Super for looking shit most of the time, I am saying that I have gone through this with Toei's recent anime, and it makes it hard to judge the japanese TV broadcast.
Especially when we are not supposed to see it (and I'm assuming this is WHY).
The episodes will be fixed, to some extent, us saying that it looks like shit doesn't add anything. They already know and as you said it's not like they are reading GAF.
I see that one comment saying that you are getting sadder and sadder every week. Well stop watching and wait for the finished version then .... You either can't stop yourself from watching because you care about the story development, or you can wait for a proper dub / finished edition.
They won't change anything on the way they make their animes.
Hell if anything, we should be glad they decide to finish the episodes for bluray and international versions.
What else can I say ?
NCR Redslayer
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Well when the funimation dub hits, everything should be fine.
People are so salty over watching the japanese tv version.
People are so salty over watching the japanese tv version.
They did Kai...and GT looks like crap, and kinda is crap. If GT didn't leave such a bad taste in peoples' mouths, I doubt we would've gotten DragonBall Super, since the desire wouldn't have been there, or at least as big.
IAmRandom31
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few of my favorite scenes so far. love the smoke beginning to swirl into the galick gun. love the look of the initial transformation as vegeta goes nuts that beerus hit bulma.
I dunno. I see people talk about how the show looks like shit all the time and I'm like .... huh? It looks like the movies most of the time. Yeah the show has its moments, and horrid ones like most of Episode 5. But since then its been pretty darn solid if you ask me.
You could say that all that stuff (which I already knew, by the way, I certainly don't need an education, but... thanks??) shouldn't be happening.
People can talk about what they want to talk about. Why are you telling them not to?
NeonZ
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The main issue are the group shots, or just distant shots in general. The art generally looks fine when they're close to the "camera", or when they're far away, but you can't see their faces.
Icyflamez96
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I love how he just lost his pupils. Intense.
Parallax Scroll
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Love this transformation.
IAmRandom31
Banned
I liked the Vegeta vs Beerus in Super better then BoG. And I'm liking SSG Goku vs Beerus much more so far as well. Like how Goku flew right past Beerus on his first assault because he had absolutely no control of his power and little by little he has been gaining control of the SSG form. To the point of getting a legit strike on Beerus at the end.
The next episode will determine if this series has the potential for having top quality fights like DBZ had.
Also the transformation to SSG was much better then Super. So yeh I'm excited about the next episode
The next episode will determine if this series has the potential for having top quality fights like DBZ had.
Also the transformation to SSG was much better then Super. So yeh I'm excited about the next episode
it's warm and awesome.
cg is cold and sterile and bare fucking minimum budget. of course, if they actually tried, it could look great, but why do that? stupid kids go buy blue hair goku toy now
ArchedThunder
Banned
Super is still hand drawn, it's just digitally colored.
TheRealTalker
Banned
I hope the go on space/ different universe adventures when they begin the new arcs
and before GT reply
ArchedThunder
Banned
BoG arc ends with episode 12 and the Universe 6 arc looks like it'll start on episode 25, but if the manga is anything to go by they might start doing some heavy setting up for Universe 6 in the F arc.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Pretty much a given at this point. As soon as Beerus stated there was 12 universes each with powerful warriors and some more powerful then even then I knew where they were going. Goku can now summon the power of a God at will
and Vegeta
I want to see SSGSS3 Vegito vs Whis
ArchedThunder
Banned
It's a given because Toriyama outright said that after the F arc they are going to Universe 6 to find the giant Super Dragon Balls.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Uhhhhhh right could you spoiler tag that maybe for people who haven't seen revival of F yet? It's not out on blu ray or anything yet
Or who don't read those interviews? Seems like a big spoiler but who knows. Maybe not. I had no idea about any of that lol
Or who don't read those interviews? Seems like a big spoiler but who knows. Maybe not. I had no idea about any of that lol
ArchedThunder
Banned
I said zero F spoilers, the only thing I said was stuff from Toriyama's plot synopsis that he gave months ago...
It's been discussed multiple times in this thread as well.
Eh, you know what I mean
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
It's arbitrary as hell.
Be a monkey while being able to become a super saiyan and regain consciousness. Or absorb magical waves and then regain consciousness.
Both stupid.
flintstryker
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Man Supreme Kai's plan was stupid as fuck even by dbz standards
Polioliolio
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Agreed. The CG is just as soulless as the CG you find saturating hollywood films.
Even if old DBZ didn't look as good as that last episode, it animates so much better.. I wouldn't even just call it charm. It creates depth that is vacant in the new stuff.
Vegeta turning SS4 was stupid... absolutely. Goku doing it was just answering the question of why didn't they ever do anything with the great ape form. It's just completely forgotten about in DBZ aside from the nod at it during the SS3 transformation. Just think about it for a second. How useful would it have been during the android saga and cell games?
The SSG ritual was way more arbitrary... they literally had to recon the shit out of things to get it to work.
It doesn't show up after that, no, although I'd say it's more a case of the form being displaced by other powerups to keep things fresh than "forgotten". It had a really obvious weak point and had been plumbed for narrative depth on several occasions at that point.
That said, I wouldn't mind Vegeta getting it back to help differentiate him from Goku these days anyway.
Visually you're correct. Frieza (and possibly his goons, can't remember offhand) mention saiyans transforming into apes on Namek.
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