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Dragon Ball Super |OT| 28 Episodes Later

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I was actually bored with this episode. King Kai was dreadful as usual. Same old food gags with Pilaf and co. And the Beerus fight wasn't anything special.
 
It was a good episode. Animation, while nothing amazing, it was decent and I think the God power-up feels more like a big upgrade than in the movie.
 
Goku felt like kid Goku in the this episode, I enjoyed that

Yep, reminded me of kid goku's various tenkaichi budokai battles. He would be a much better fighter mid way through the fight than at the beginning because of his insane ability to learn and adapt to his opponents. That aspect of goku was missing in DBZ due to training arcs being more prevelant
 
Good episode. They wasted little time just getting to it. I'm not too keen on the whole 'oh, Goku has to learn his power' thing, considering that wasn't how it worked when he went SS. I guess they needed a Captain Ginyu callback.

You'd think that they'd budget this out higher because they know it'll make a killing overseas because DragonBall is so popular overseas. But the animation here was at least a step in the right direction.

So...can Vegeta sense God energy, or what? I got the feeling that he can. Maybe he went God mode when Beerus hit Bulma or something, and is just playing the fool.
 
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So good. Look at that grin.
 
The upcoming episode titles make it sound like
Beerus and SSG Goku will be going 100% all out and harming the universe itself in the episode after next, and then after that one maybe even SSGSS will happen.
 
The upcoming episode titles make it sound like
Beerus and SSG Goku will be going 100% all out and harming the universe itself in the episode after next, and then after that one maybe even SSGSS will happen.

I doubt Berees would go all out. SSJG Goku is a 5..Beerus is a 10.
 
Very good ep, having fun Goku is the best. Also, I really liked that they gave Videl the hair color during the ritual sequence.
 
The upcoming episode titles make it sound like
Beerus and SSG Goku will be going 100% all out and harming the universe itself in the episode after next, and then after that one maybe even SSGSS will happen.

Beerus said he was in the movie, but it was only like 30% or something like that.
 
It'll be interesting if Goku goes SSGSSJ during this fight.

Hopefully there's a noticeable upgrade in power. Hopefully Beerus has to get serious to put Goku down.
 
The upcoming episode titles make it sound like
Beerus and SSG Goku will be going 100% all out and harming the universe itself in the episode after next, and then after that one maybe even SSGSS will happen.

It'll be interesting if Goku goes SSGSSJ during this fight.

Hopefully there's a noticeable upgrade in power. Hopefully Beerus has to get serious to put Goku down.

Why would you guys think that?
SSGSSJ Goku didn't even happen until the second movie.
 
ok, going with the theme of " toriyama forgot " heres one from DBZ that bugs the shit out of me.

When Goku comes out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber along with Gohan, they are both living their normal lives as Super Saiyans. Vegeta and Trunks both see this, and Vegeta figures it out quite easily.

He then goes and trains for a whole year with this knowledge.

Yet .... when he arrives to face Cell ... he is a regular Saiyan. He isn't adopting what Goku and Gohan both figured out, and he saw the benefit of. With the intellect and " battle sense " that Vegeta has, I really don't see any reason he would not have been doing the exact same thing, except for " Toriyama forgot "

And I hate that.
yea, I always wondered why he didn't train like goku did. And I always wondered why they didn't do the same thing with SSJ2. Wouldn't being perpetually in that state be super strong?
 
Actually, didn't Vegeta figure it out much later, after he came back from the HTC the second time around?
 
At first I thought he was salty throughout the entire episode because he didn't get to be the one fighting, so it kind of caught me off guard.
Well definitely, but more than that he's stoked to see a whole new tier of strength out there
 
What about the whole "Goku is ticked off since he needed help to reach the level thing"?

Maybe it'll come up next ep.

I felt it was small but one of the most important things in the BoG movie since it kind of showed his immaturity in contrast with Vegeta "sacrificing his pride" and all that.


So far in the show he seems pretty happy with the strength and not upset he didn't do it himself.
 
Why would you guys think that?
SSGSSJ Goku didn't even happen until the second movie.

Yeah I'm kinda hoping the writers don't stick to the script of the movies and work on a plot suited towards the anime.

We don't know when SSGSSJ was achieved for the first time for Goku and Vegeta. We will probably see it during some training time with Whis, though.
 
What about the whole "Goku is ticked off since he needed help to reach the level thing"?

Maybe it'll come up next ep.

I felt it was small but one of the most important things in the BoG movie since it kind of showed his immaturity in contrast with Vegeta "sacrificing his pride" and all that.


So far in the show he seems pretty happy with the strength and not upset he didn't do it himself.

Good. I wasn't a fan of that story development. Let Goku just enjoy his new found strength. He's fulfilling a legend. And because he's getting progressively stronger, he's still coming into control of his powers. He still has a lot to learn and master, and that's important to him.

Instead of making him super powerful and in full control, he's super powerful but a little bewildered by his new body. I like playful Goku.

He's clearly nowhere near Beerus but he's still holding back.

And I hope Vegeta doesn't complain either. Just embrace that you can become a badass God.

Why doesn't the gang just make everyone a Super Saiyan God since it's so easy?

I mean aside from Gohan of course, since he doesn't exist.

Goten and Trunks? They are just getting used to their own abilities, it's unlikely they will become Gods. They may down the line, but I suspect they won't bother. They ought to master their abilities before throwing God Ki in the mix. And there's always the BS line that could be fed that they wouldn't be able to control it.
 
The way the episode title with surpassing SSJG is written, it sounds more like it's about Goku setting out to obtain the form, rather than actually getting it there. So, I think that's already the ending of the battle and Whis calling Goku to train him, setting up part of RoF.

Something else I've noticed though - there seems to be no time limit for the SSJGod form in Super. They cut the backstory, and the next episode preview scenes seemed to show them going to the upper atmosphere battle still with Goku in SSJ God mode. If they really do away with the time limit, they better introduce a good reason for Gohan, Goten and Trunks' lack of SSJ God in RoF.

What about the whole "Goku is ticked off since he needed help to reach the level thing"?

I think it's very possible it'll just be cut. Toei's writers have always portrayed Goku as more heroic than Toriyama's take. BoG's script was heavily modified by Toriyama, and that attitude seemed very unlike any additions by the anime. So, here, where Toriyama isn't supervising the final script, just behind a story outline, it seems possible that they'll cut that bit.
 
Good. I wasn't a fan of that story development. Let Goku just enjoy his new found strength. He's fulfilling a legend. And because he's getting progressively stronger, he's still coming into control of his powers. He still has a lot to learn and master, and that's important to him.

Instead of making him super powerful and in full control, he's super powerful but a little bewildered by his new body. I like playful Goku.

He's clearly nowhere near Beerus but he's still holding back.

And I hope Vegeta doesn't complain either. Just embrace that you can become a badass God.

I'm not complaining about the getting used to the powers thing. And the slow buildup of strength. I think that's well done.

It just seemed like one of the major themes in BoG (and so far in Super) was Vegeta's maturation and subsequently Goku's. (After he was called out by Piccolo and Beerus).

It's fine if they want to retcon it. We don't know yet since the fight isn't over. It seemed to fit Goku's personality though so I don't think it was bad. Actually, the "flaw" made him more interesting imo.

I think it's very possible it'll just be cut. Toei's writers have always portrayed Goku as more heroic than Toriyama's take. BoG's script was heavily modified by Toriyama, and that attitude seemed very unlike any additions by the anime. So, here, where Toriyama isn't supervising the final script, just behind a story outline, it seems possible that they'll cut that bit.

ohh. Interesting.

EDIT: I don't think the attitude was completely different than the anime. I guess you could say it was taken to a higher level, but it was always there in the show a bit, I feel
 
Because they retconned the movie.

Dragon Ball Super is the sequel to DBZ, it modifies and retells the events told in the movies, and will move on to untold stories.

It's just about 15 episodes worth of retelling, it's not that bad.
I personally didn't see anything wrong with the movie fight though. Unless the series is going to be more than 100 episodes, I personally don't see how 15ish episodes of retelling is going to be of a benefit.
 
Just watched the latest episode, im getting hyped.
Also unless the subs took their own liberty, I think we just got confirmation that a 100% beerus is a universe buster.
 
I personally didn't see anything wrong with the movie fight though. Unless the series is going to be more than 100 episodes, I personally don't see how 15ish episodes of retelling is going to be of a benefit.
It allows them not to follow poorly written, thrown together movies that aren't fleshed out at all
 
Just watched the latest episode, im getting hyped.
Also unless the subs took their own liberty, I think we just got confirmation that a 100% beerus is a universe buster.

I really wouldn't call that confirmation.

Unless the very fabric of the universe starts to fall apart as Beerus goes all out, I don't really expect anything like universe busting.

He might blow up some planets by accident during a fight.

But the subtitles in this version did say something along the lines of "nobody in "this universe" is stronger than the god of destruction" implying that other universes may feature stronger Gods.
 
Actually, didn't Vegeta figure it out much later, after he came back from the HTC the second time around?
Nah, he went in again after he saw them. Remember, he went and got perfect cell made, got his ass kicked and then ran back to the tower to see them come out. Felt him power up at korins place, and then went in again.
 
I really wouldn't call that confirmation.

Unless the very fabric of the universe starts to fall apart as Beerus goes all out, I don't really expect anything like universe busting.

He might blow up some planets by accident during a fight.

But the subtitles in this version did say something along the lines of "nobody in "this universe" is stronger than the god of destruction" implying that other universes may feature stronger Gods.

Well we know for a fact that he wont be going all out against goku.
 
Probably the best episode so far tied with the first one. Although I am skipping through the shitty parts like Pilaf and the Z support characters who have unnecessary commentary over Goku's fight.

Dragon Ball Super so far hasn't taken itself too seriously and I really enjoyed seeing Goku just have some fun with a new power up again. Z got pretty dramatic at parts but it looks like Super won't retread old territory so that's always a good thing.
 
Just watched the latest episode, im getting hyped.
Also unless the subs took their own liberty, I think we just got confirmation that a 100% beerus is a universe buster.

They've mentioned it at least thrice now, and there's also an episode title for two weeks from now that suggests that the universe will be in danger due to Goku and Beerus' battle. I just wonder how they'd represent that without actually blowing up a large part of the universe. I hope it's not something boring like everything shaking. The Super Saiyan God ritual gives me hope they might have some good imagery though.
 
Latest episode was good! Also glad the arc is finally wrapping up. I want to see something I haven't seen before. (Which includes RoF, 'cause I'm waiting for subs. Also just mostly didn't have a chance to see it in theaters.)

I'm sort of baffled, though, that something as high profile as a brand new Dragon Ball series has an apparently excruciatingly low budget. The animation was definitely better in this episode, but when I compare it to, well, any other action anime I've watched in the past year, it's still hot garbage.

And the movie was so good, too. ):
 
This episode coupled with the transformation sequence last episode are kind of winning me back over for this series. The transformation was definitely a lot more epic compared to the movie, and this fight scene was leagues better than the initial Goku VS Beerus in terms of both animation and choreography. It's obvious the show has a small budget, but I feel like they are masking it better and putting money into the right places. Keep it up, Toei!
 
Latest episode was good! Also glad the arc is finally wrapping up. I want to see something I haven't seen before. (Which includes RoF, 'cause I'm waiting for subs. Also just mostly didn't have a chance to see it in theaters.)

I'm sort of baffled, though, that something as high profile as a brand new Dragon Ball series has an apparently excruciatingly low budget. The animation was definitely better in this episode, but when I compare it to, well, any other action anime I've watched in the past year, it's still hot garbage.

And the movie was so good, too. ):
It more than likely has a huge budget, the thing is the budget is spread out between god knows how many episodes, so they would want to save the big parts of the budget for the big fights in the series.
 
It more than likely has a huge budget, the thing is the budget is spread out between god knows how many episodes, so they would want to save the big parts of the budget for the big fights in the series.

Hmm that's a good point I suppose. I didn't think about it like that.

Although wouldn't this qualify as a big fight? Maybe next episode will look really incredible, but even though this one was better than average for DBS, it was still worse than average for other high-profile action anime [that I've seen this year].
 
Hmm that's a good point I suppose. I didn't think about it like that.

Although wouldn't this qualify as a big fight? Maybe next episode will look really incredible, but even though this one was better than average for DBS, it was still worse than average for other high-profile action anime [that I've seen this year].

You can tell from the preview that alot of budget is going to that episode.
 
It allows them not to follow poorly written, thrown together movies that aren't fleshed out at all
BoG is fleshed out plenty. Granted the start of the fight here was a bit more polished and I assume the rest of the fight may be too - but the way the movie told the story so far has been infinitely better to me.
I do really love BoG tho.
 
Why doesn't the gang just make everyone a Super Saiyan God since it's so easy?

I mean aside from Gohan of course, since he doesn't exist.

They'll probably say something like "We tried it, but it seems that it only works for pure blooded saiyans"
 
You can tell from the preview that alot of budget is going to that episode.

Ah, okay, that's good. I don't usually watch previews. I will get hyped, then, because I can't possibly be let down!

BoG is fleshed out plenty. Granted the start of the fight here was a bit more polished and I assume the rest of the fight may be too - but the way the movie told the story so far has been infinitely better to me.
I do really love BoG tho.

Agreed, the movie tells the story much better than the series. I like some of the changes, but for the most part, nah, series is inferior. Still fun, though.

Also the movie lacks Vegeta's family vacation, so... maybe I like the series better after all!
 
Goku doesn't seem annoyed by the fact that he couldn't reach that level of power alone. That was kind of a big deal in the movie.
 
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